Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire So, which of the 6 theories of Evolution do you unbelievers believe in?

DBT, trying to reason with people who believe the bible literally violates one of Jesus's commands: "Do not cast pearls among swine."

Ringman's been known to use arguments so bad that even the ICR says not to use them.

Starman.....

Nah, you know what you posted and why and then you got tagged. All you have done is what has been called "dispute transformation." You cannot defend yourself on the substance of the issue so you try to change the dispute by diverting to some minor issue.... in this case, you try to divert by focus on the word "hate" and thereby diverting focus on the real substance of the dispute.

Seems to be a commonly used by you when you are backed into a corner and can't find a way out.

Anyway, here is another for you.....

Proverbs 1:7

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

So, it has been served up to you...... should you respond, I would not be surprised if you focus on the word "fear" instead of the substantive meaning of the verse.

So, if you like, respond and will can delve into what "fear" of the Lord is.


Edit to add.... recall that this side trip is in response to your previous comments about Mr. Wabigoon.



Matthew 5

"11 “God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. 12 Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way."

Can we explore this oft repeated quote for a bit?

Did Christ the Son even exist before being born to Mary?

If a thousand years is like a blink of an eye to God. Then the time Jesus existed in Earth must have been infinitesimal.

Jesus was there in the Beginning. "God in three Persons".

Jesus was both man and God (in union with the Trinity). Before he was born, he wasn't yet Jesus, but was God, and in union with the Godhead, from all eternity.

A lot of hair splitting going on here.

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

- John 8:58

I believe He did. The phrase "the Word" (a translation of the Greek word "Logos") is widely interpreted as referring to Jesus, as indicated in other verses later in the same chapter. So, I believe that John:1-1 could just as easily say “In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God”.

We DO know that the earth is billions of years old. Radioactive decay and half-lives are FACTS. They can be proven over and over again. Nuclear fission and nuclear fusion are FACTS. Uranium-lead and potassium-argon dating methods are FACTS. The logic of the quack pseudoscientific creation ‘scientists’...or rather the lack of it...on this matter is like them saying ‘there is no proof’ that linear accelerators work in treating cancer. Or that ‘there is no proof’ that controlled nuclear fission can produce usable energy, etc. Science makes their lives better and easier, every single day. From the clean water that they routinely have piped into their home, to the safe and plentiful food that they routinely consume, to the reliable transportation that they routinely depend on, etc.. ALL of it is due to science. In my opinion, these people discredit Christianity when they give Sunday school answers and explanations and rebuttals to real world questions and discussions. In my opinion, these people discredit Christianity when they demand things are a certain way, even though we have FACTUAL evidence otherwise. I see no problem with believing in God...and in particular trying to follow Jesus’ teachings...while at the same time understanding FACTS and TRUTHS regarding the world in which we live. In my opinion, these people clearly have a problem doing that.

The problem with your picture is in South America the order was reversed in the fossil record.




You have it backwards about who is accepting pseudoscientific information. That's why every year Ph.D scientists become creationists instead of the other way around. For years I have been asking for any Ph.D. creationists you know who have switched and none have been found.

Go drink a quart of sea water and tell us about no chemicals in the Ocean.

Do you believe in talking snakes too? Do you believe that if you make goats copulate while holding striped poles in front of them they will produce striped offspring? Hmmmmm?
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You have any idea why evolutionists don't crow about the chemicals in the ocean? According to about any theory of evolution the earth and the ocean is millions or billions of years old. For decades the amount of chemicals entering the ocean have been measured. It takes no more than a million years or so and even less in some to reach the level the ocean has. Explain that. While you're at it maybe you would explain why there is debris close to the sun, which should be clear out past Saturn if the solar system is billions of years old.

You distort God's Word for your attack. The Bible does not talk about "talking snakes". It truthfully teaches about Satan taking the form of a serpent. Later in God's Word we are taught Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. As far as the goat thing. I think the story tells us what Jacob did. It is not telling us about animal husbandry.

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Thank you TRH. Well said.

I was busy pondering why a whole slew of sharks at the same time started developing into salamanders and why they thought doing so would be advantageous to them since if they did become salamanders it wouldnt be them but only salamanders it would be advantageous to.


Ditto to a slew of dogs wanting to morph into cats. Now, i can see why cats would want to start morphing into dogs. I think anyone would rather be a dog than a cat. After all, dogs are mans best friend.

Dayom, now why would dogs want to become apes? It just doesnt make sense to me.

One thing that does make sense is that unbelievers cant comprehend they have a spirit that separates them from being common animals because, as GOD said, HE blinded them. They wont see the truth until HE removes the scales from their eyes.

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking non-sense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although “they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”

- St. Augustine 354 – 430 AD

OK. Which chemicals are you talking about?

See what I mean...? Facts don’t cease to exist just because ‘you’ deny them. You asked for transitional fossils and TRH almost instantaneously provided you with some (because information about them is so easily found), and you denied them. You are a modern-day Pharisee. I truly think that people like you drive more people away from Jesus than Satan himself does. Morals clearly mean nothing to you. You give lip service to being a ‘Christian’ while supporting and advocating the very things that Jesus Himself taught against. Curdog4570 once said on here that you were the polar opposite of the great Christian apologist, C.S. Lewis. And he was deadly accurate.

Why are you repeating that nonsense? You've already been shown that science doesn't propose any such things. If you are interested in this topic, why don't you actually study what science actually proposes about it, and why. There are endless sources for this, and you could avoid sounding foolish in these discussions.

You take the "FACTS" by faith. If radiometric dating was valid a scientist would get the same date for a rock when broken in several pieces and sent to different labs. That is not the case. If radiometric dating was valid a scientist would get the correct age for a rock from Mt. St. Hellens as being too young to measure. But the rocks date all over the place. Explain that. While you're at it tell us why the rocks of known age from Hawaiian volcanoes never match their ages.

Pick a couple of your favorites. You will get the same results. There aren't enough for millions of years.

Ever heard of an evaporite deposit? How about a salt dome?

PS, tossing out something about "chemicals in the ocean" and then refusing to say which chemicals you're talking about is telling to say the least.