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This is just part of his bullschitt:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.

Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:

Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans.

For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.

Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.

Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.

Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.

Keep guns out of dangerous hands. The federal background check system (the National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is one of the best tools we have to prevent gun violence, but it’s only effective when it’s used. Biden will enact universal background check legislation and close other loopholes that allow people who should be prohibited from purchasing firearms from making those purchases. Specifically, he will:

Require background checks for all gun sales. Today, an estimated 1 in 5 firearms are sold or transferred without a background check. Biden will enact universal background check legislation, requiring a background check for all gun sales with very limited exceptions, such as gifts between close family members. This will close the so-called “gun show and online sales loophole” that the Obama-Biden Administration narrowed, but which cannot be fully closed by executive action alone.

Close other loopholes in the federal background check system. In addition to closing the “boyfriend loophole” highlighted below, Biden will:

Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed. In 2016, the Obama-Biden Administration finalized a rule to make sure the Social Security Administration (SSA) sends to the background check system records that it holds of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms because they have been adjudicated by the SSA as unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons. But one of the first actions Donald Trump took as president was to reverse this rule. President Biden will enact legislation to codify this policy.

Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

Close the “Charleston loophole.” The Charleston loophole allows people to complete a firearms purchase if their background check is not completed within three business days. Biden supports the proposal in the Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019, which extends the timeline from three to 10 business days. Biden will also direct the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to put on his desk within his first 100 days as president a report detailing the cases in which background checks are not completed within 10 business days and steps the federal government can take to reduce or eliminate this occurrence.

Close the “fugitive from justice” loophole created by the Trump Administration. Because of actions by the Trump Administration, records of almost 500,000 fugitives from justice who are prohibited from purchasing firearms were deleted from the background check system. The Biden Administration will restore these records, and enact legislation to make clear that people facing arrest warrants are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms.

End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons. Federal law defines categories of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms, and the federal background check system is an effective tool for ensuring prohibited persons cannot purchase firearms. But we lack any serious tool to ensure that when someone becomes newly prohibited – for example, because they commit a violent crime – they relinquish possession of their firearms. There are some promising models for how this could be enforced. For example, California has a mandatory process for ensuring relinquishment by any individual newly subject to a domestic violence restraining order. As president, Biden will direct the FBI and ATF to outline a model relinquishment process, enact any necessary legislation to ensure relinquishment when individuals newly fall under one of the federal prohibitions, and then provide technical and financial assistance to state and local governments to establish effective relinquishment processes on their own.

Incentivize state “extreme risk” laws. Extreme risk laws, also called “red flag” laws, enable family members or law enforcement officials to temporarily remove an individual’s access to firearms when that individual is in crisis and poses a danger to themselves or others. Biden will incentivize the adoption of these laws by giving states funds to implement them. And, he’ll direct the U.S. Department of Justice to issue best practices and offer technical assistance to states interested in enacting an extreme risk law.

Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs. Biden will enact legislation to give states and local governments grants to require individuals to obtain a license prior to purchasing a gun.

Adequately fund the background check system. President Obama and Vice President Biden expanded incentives for states to submit records of prohibited persons into the background checks system. As president, Biden will continue to prioritize that funding and ensure that the FBI is adequately funded to accurately and efficiently handle the NICS system.

Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns. Today, we have the technology to allow only authorized users to fire a gun. For example, existing smart gun technology requires a fingerprint match before use. Biden believes we should work to eventually require that 100% of firearms sold in the U.S. are smart guns. But, right now the NRA and gun manufacturers are bullying firearms dealers who try to sell these guns. Biden will stand up against these bullying tactics and issue a call to action for gun manufacturers, dealers, and other public and private entities to take steps to accelerate our transition to smart guns.

Hold adults accountable for giving minors access to firearms. Biden supports legislation holding adults criminally and civilly liable for directly or negligently giving a minor access to a firearm, regardless of whether the minor actually gains possession of the firearm.

Require gun owners to safely store their weapons. Biden will pass legislation requiring firearm owners to store weapons safely in their homes.

Empower law enforcement to effectively enforce our gun laws.

Require firearms owners to report if their weapon is lost or stolen. Responsible gun owners have a responsibility to inform law enforcement if their weapon is lost or stolen. Biden will enact legislation to make this the law of the land.

Stop “ghost guns.” One way people who cannot legally obtain a gun may gain access to a weapon is by assembling a one on their own, either by buying a kit of disassembled gun parts or 3D printing a working firearm. Biden will stop the proliferation of these so-called “ghost guns” by passing legislation requiring that purchasers of gun kits or 3D printing code pass a federal background check. Additionally, Biden will ensure that the authority for firearms exports stays with the State Department, and if needed reverse a proposed rule by President Trump. This will ensure the State Department continues to block the code used to 3D print firearms from being made available on the Internet.


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And if he gets elected, & if the Demons can manage to get the Senate, much of it is likely to happen...................2 BIG if, but at this point, not totally out of the question.

Biden is a very dangerous half-wit dufus driven & led by the far left, schitt, he might even make AOC his COS.

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Northam/Virginia 2.0.
If they're trying to start a shooting war, they're on the right track.

We refuse to protect you, we refuse to allow you to protect yourself.....[bleep] Biden. Come and take it.



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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Northam/Virginia 2.0.
If they're trying to start a shooting war, they're on the right track.

We refuse to protect you, we refuse to allow you to protect yourself.....[bleep] Biden. Come and take it.



Eventually, that's where it's very likely to end up......................just look at the couple protecting the home in St. Louis.

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🖕Biden and ALL democraps and their Rino comrades!


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Anyone who doesn't own a gun for defense, and who doesn't go buy one RIGHT NOW, is a fool.


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None of his crap will have a measurable effect.

You could cut gun violence about 90% if you'd legislate something against black males between 16 and 24.


Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.

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Of course not.................but that's not really the intent either is it?

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It is a simple choice. Vote republican for everything. Then the USA stays alive and free. Otherwise, the democrat anti-American/socialist/communist wins and freedom is gone along with anything which was the USA including our Constitution. The democrats are betting on keeping the house and wining the senate. With both senate and house they will not care who is president. They can impeach any president with democrat control in both houses.

Biden will be a puppet.

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With hundreds of millions of guns already in hand, along with billions of rounds of ammunition, the horse has already left the barn.


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The Demons all know that, but it doesn't stop their rhetoric & pandering.....................

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Biden will form a committee and hire those two lawyers who dared to defend their home with guns in that gated community to be the face of the confiscating/buy-back push, being they have a public presence now. They will explain to the public, after being re-educated, how wrong they were to even think they had a right to defend anything they owned with “any” type of gun.


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
With hundreds of millions of guns already in hand, along with billions of rounds of ammunition, the horse has already left the barn.


NFA registration, criminalization of the non-compliant with eventual confiscation. It ain't over, it's just beginning.

Every one of us better be doing some serious soul searching and decide now what we'll do when the time comes (and it will come) and plan accordingly.



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The "on-line loophole" now?

Idiots will be gullible...


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As radical as the left has become, this type of talk is too calm... to normal....

Eventually, a dem will get the presidency and they will go full scale against guns and start people getting used to limitation. I fear we will see the end of gun ownership in the next 20 years. It is honestly like the government doesnt listen or cant hear the people.

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The Republicans, keep moving to the left. Soon, this will be their mantra, and the dems will be far worse

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Joe, heal thyself!

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Originally Posted by Oakster
The Republicans, keep moving to the left. Soon, this will be their mantra, and the dems will be far worse


Exactly! For many years, I’ve said the only difference between Democrats and Republicans is about 15 years! Wherever the Dem’s are today....the Republicans are only about 15 years behind! Unless something very dramatic occurs......we are in the final days of our Republic! memtb


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As long as there are gullible fools who think the government has their best interests at heart, or more accurately, who turn a deaf ear to their own God-given common sense which says the government doesn't have their best interests at heart, stuff like this hangs over our heads like the blade of the guillotine. There are many here who chase their tails, explaining over and over and over why we own guns and why they are not evil. You are talking to people who at the levels of being able to actually DO anything already know and have other, more sinister purposes than protecting you from yourself. But like a dog returning to its own vomit, our side keeps explaining rather than standing up and declaring exactly why the bad guys want to ban guns. Same with worrying much about BLM or ANTIFA when the enemy is our own government and those who really pull the strings.

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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
As long as there are gullible fools who think the government has their best interests at heart, or more accurately, who turn a deaf ear to their own God-given common sense which says the government doesn't have their best interests at heart, stuff like this hangs over our heads like the blade of the guillotine. There are many here who chase their tails, explaining over and over and over why we own guns and why they are not evil. You are talking to people who at the levels of being able to actually DO anything already know and have other, more sinister purposes than protecting you from yourself. But like a dog returning to its own vomit, our side keeps explaining rather than standing up and declaring exactly why the bad guys want to ban guns. Same with worrying much about BLM or ANTIFA when the enemy is our own government and those who really pull the strings.



^^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^


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Biden needs to suck start a 1911 like FDR did. His "brain bleed" was caused by a 230 grain hardball round. That was the reason for the "closed casket" funeral.


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Inciting Violence, that's all.


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I am wondering what it will take to get American men to develop the proper hatred for the enemy that will allow them to treat the enemy as they should. Not to wish Trump would toss the enemy in jail, but to want to administer final and fatal justice to the enemy, in person.

I swear, I am in the same mood here as a coonhound in its box in the truck bed, when that truck comes to a stop in the field at the edge of the woods. Let’s get this hunt started. We have waited too long already, and the verbiage in this thread and others indicates clearly that a number of us will never do anything but give up their rights and, in doing so, damage the rest of our chances of preserving ours. For those willing to let it go, stay home and cuddle in your chains. We don’t need you. I will refrain from wishing for the chains to rest lightly, I am not as nice a guy as the fellow who said it originally. Those who intend to defend their rights, Godspeed to you, and maybe we will meet out there someplace.

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Sounds like creepy Joe wants another fast and furious except on the US side this time. The people have seen how well law enforcement will protect them and their business.


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Fucking POS leftists burn sections of cities down and seemingly get away with it while local governments pretend not to notice or that hey're powerless. As far as I am concerned, they have basically ceded their power to the mobs, and I can be a part of the mobs. Just GUESS how I intend to act when ANY government branch or agency tells me I have to register or give up my guns. I'm old...why should I give a fat rat's ass what government thinks anymore when they have relinquished legitimacy?


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Originally Posted by Oakster
As radical as the left has become, this type of talk is too calm... to normal....

Eventually, a dem will get the presidency and they will go full scale against guns and start people getting used to limitation. I fear we will see the end of gun ownership in the next 20 years. It is honestly like the government doesnt listen or cant hear the people.

Oh, that's just crazy talk. That's like saying the government will someday force the citizens to turn in all of their gold, and then devalue the dollar afterwards, which they could never do, because it would be illegal, and the justice department would never let it go unpunished...


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ElkSlayer91: In a couple of sentences you summed up the crime of the age. And the citizenry just rolled over and accepted it and the courts didn't stop it. Outlawing guns is minor compared to the gold theft.


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Originally Posted by memtb
Originally Posted by Oakster
The Republicans, keep moving to the left. Soon, this will be their mantra, and the dems will be far worse


Exactly! For many years, I’ve said the only difference between Democrats and Republicans is about 15 years! Wherever the Dem’s are today....the Republicans are only about 15 years behind! Unless something very dramatic occurs......we are in the final days of our Republic! memtb


This just isn’t true, not when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. Think of how many more states have reasonable concealed carry laws, or constitutional carry compared to just a couple of decades ago. And pretty much all of the progress has been made in states with Republican governors and legislators.

It’s a mistake of huge proportions not to vote with the excuse that there’s no difference in the Republicans and Democrats except for a few years.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Biden needs to suck start a 1911 like FDR did. His "brain bleed" was caused by a 230 grain hardball round. That was the reason for the "closed casket" funeral.


Source???

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Source???


A retired Navy officer who coordinated the coverup. He shared the story with my father in the early 1950's at a family reunion. In the 70-something years I was priveleged to know Dad, I never knew him to lie about anything. The situation was supposed to be a murder-suicide pact between Roosevelt and his mistress. She shot him, and then didn't have the fortitude to kill herself.


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Another fabricated crisis.


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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Biden needs to suck start a 1911 like FDR did. His "brain bleed" was caused by a 230 grain hardball round. That was the reason for the "closed casket" funeral.

First that I have heard of that. Where did this info come from?


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The NYC plan seems to work, too. If they shoot someone, they're released from jail the same day and the incident is ignored. If nobody cares (other than the victim's family), it's not an issue, right?


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Hmmm. Sounds like the current situation in NJ .
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ElkSlayer91: In a couple of sentences you summed up the crime of the age. And the citizenry just rolled over and accepted it and the courts didn't stop it. Outlawing guns is minor compared to the gold theft.

And about 97% of the existing citizenry today would "roll over and accept losing their right to bear arms too".

A lot of the 3% who would fight would most likely die, and who knows if they'd win, but you can be rest assured, the outdoor forums all over the internet would be bragging about how "they" won, if the citizenry won, while they BS'd about how "they were there too", but somehow managed to survive......


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Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
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And about 97% of the existing citizenry today would "roll over and accept losing their right to bear arms too".

A lot of the 3% who would fight would most likely die, and who knows if they'd win, .....


I believe this is absolutely true. Just look at how many people are going around wearing masks today! And no one is even pointing a gun at them. All it took was to be told by an "authority figure" that it was "for the greater good"....

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This is exactly why all of us need to pay attention and be actively involved. The left sure as hell is. Way to often people on the right say that their remote area is safe F’ the liberal [bleep]. The thing is if they can’t get us regionally they’ll get us with national laws. By hook or by crook.

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Originally Posted by JeffyD
Hmmm. Sounds like the current situation in NJ .
Welcome to my world.


Dead on. For everyone that laughs at NJ, NY, CA,MA laws and thinks that there state WY, ID ect. won’t pass that BS they’re right but the dems will make it the law of the land just as soon as they take power.

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Hmmm. Sounds like the current situation in NJ .
Welcome to my world.


Dead on. For everyone that laughs at NJ, NY, CA,MA laws and thinks that there state WY, ID ect. won’t pass that BS they’re right but the dems will make it the law of the land just as soon as they take power.




Very correct! We’ve had a lot of legislation passed over the last 30 years that is far more liberal than I like. They may just be “baby steps”......but, steps none the less! It took several decades for NY, NJ, California, etc. to become the chit holes that they are. Look how fast Kolorado is becoming a far left bastion! memtb

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Gun control is a pillar policy and money maker for both parties.

Rights will be chipped away by the left; rights will be restored by the right. The game will continue as long as this is a hot-button issue for most voters.

There are communist apologist that want us disarmed, but as someone stated above, that horse has left the barn - never happen without open conflict and bloodshed. Who would pay taxes at that point? Who would profit from that? Who would remain in power? It would be too risky for most of the ruling class to take action such as that.

How much $$ is made by hitting the hornets nest occasionally(say every 4 years)? American Democrats and Republicans don't want guns gone, they want money and votes from the fabricated issue.

Commies on the other hand, are driving us towards the open conflict with an eye for painting the lawful owners as bad guys (see McCloskey developments). It is in the hope of pushing to a point of the big 'R'. Only foreign assets and those in bed with them would benefit then.


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Just look at California and Massachusetts. That is our future and the lawyers will have a crack at us every chance they get. It's the hillary clintoon plan based on the diane feinstain plan.

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Our rights are God given and only enumerated by our Constitution. I’m amazed the sheeple blindly follow govt mandates.

Already the first amendment is being infringed, see “hate speech” 🤦🏼‍♂️

If the 2nd falls the govt is free to trample any rights it chooses.

Many bodies have been buried to defend our rights. The vast majority lost their lives on foreign soil.



It’s disheartening and sad to think the next battle to defend our God given rights may take place on our homeland.

But if it’s to be, I pray and trust those defending our rights will be filled with courage and fortitude.

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Source???


A retired Navy officer who coordinated the coverup. He shared the story with my father in the early 1950's at a family reunion. In the 70-something years I was priveleged to know Dad, I never knew him to lie about anything. The situation was supposed to be a murder-suicide pact between Roosevelt and his mistress. She shot him, and then didn't have the fortitude to kill herself.


H.R.L., I am not saying your father was a liar, but that story told by a retired Navy officer, just does not make any sense whatsoever.

FDR wanted his mistress to blow off his head and then she was to commit suicide?? Huh? A Navy officer involved in the "coverup" of the murder of a sitting President by his favorite squeeze?? Huh?? What happened to the murdering mistress afterward?? No one in the Secret Service ever mentioned anything about what happened on their watch?

And now, 75 years later this is the first anyone's heard about the "murder" of FDR? Way too many holes in this story for credibility.

As I said, the story just does not make a lick of sense.

Thanks for the reply.

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The news media and Congress LIED to the American people and covered up the fact that FDR was a cripple (Frank the Crippled Commie), no telling how much other nonsense about that bastard was also covered up.


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I'm not going to bother to read about some Dem plan. I do expect that if Joe had any actual input, he's weighing the groping and sexual assault of women and girls pretty heavily in his "solution".


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And about 97% of the existing citizenry today would "roll over and accept losing their right to bear arms too".

A lot of the 3% who would fight would most likely die, and who knows if they'd win, .....


I believe this is absolutely true. Just look at how many people are going around wearing masks today! And no one is even pointing a gun at them. All it took was to be told by an "authority figure" that it was "for the greater good"....

As a result of a decree from Tommy the Commie, AKA governor of PA, you gotta wear a damn mask in order to purchase a needed item in certain stores. I assure you that the fact I’ll wear a damn mask does not reflect on my commitment to my rights.
You’ve gotta pick your battles. Wearing a freakin mask is an idiotic pain in the azz, but it’s NOT a hill worth dying on.
Rights are God given, not government decreed. Know what is worth defending, and act accordingly.
There’s an awful lot of people who feel just like me. I don’t doubt that a vast majority of gun owners would comply with a ban/turn in order.
But wearing a mask to avoid a hassle doesn’t make a good comparison.
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Originally Posted by 7mmbuster
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And about 97% of the existing citizenry today would "roll over and accept losing their right to bear arms too".

A lot of the 3% who would fight would most likely die, and who knows if they'd win, .....


I believe this is absolutely true. Just look at how many people are going around wearing masks today! And no one is even pointing a gun at them. All it took was to be told by an "authority figure" that it was "for the greater good"....

As a result of a decree from Tommy the Commie, AKA governor of PA, you gotta wear a damn mask in order to purchase a needed item in certain stores. I assure you that the fact I’ll wear a damn mask does not reflect on my commitment to my rights.
You’ve gotta pick your battles. Wearing a freakin mask is an idiotic pain in the azz, but it’s NOT a hill worth dying on.
Rights are God given, not government decreed. Know what is worth defending, and act accordingly.
There’s an awful lot of people who feel just like me. I don’t doubt that a vast majority of gun owners would comply with a ban/turn in order.
But wearing a mask to avoid a hassle doesn’t make a good comparison.
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I've heard the "pick your battles" argument before.

Synopsis is: I am not willing to rock the boat when it comes to small inconveniences and infringements of my rights, but somehow, when the rights that I have decided are important, which apparently don't include the right to freely associate, or the right to private property, are infringed, and my life is on the line, then I will courageously do ALL the right things.


Horseshit. If I want fertilizer, I'll consult livestock.


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With all the history I’ve read, this is the first I’ve heard of a murder/suicide in FDR’s death.
Not trying to pick a fight, but everybody of his inner circle knew he had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal.
Even in February at the Yalta Conference, both Stalin and Churchill knew he was a live cadaver in a wheelchair. Probably the only guy who didn’t know was Truman.
For the second in command to be kept totally in the dark about matters of security tells you a lot about FDR. Many people of “The Greatest Generation” revered FDR, but if you read deeper into the story, you lose most of your respect for him.
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Phuq off.


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Phuq off.

Funny, that was what I said. Truth hurts, huh?


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Originally Posted by gonehuntin
The news media and Congress LIED to the American people and covered up the fact that FDR was a cripple (Frank the Crippled Commie), no telling how much other nonsense about that bastard was also covered up.




She should have shot him back in '35. smile


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Originally Posted by gonehuntin
The news media and Congress LIED to the American people and covered up the fact that FDR was a cripple (Frank the Crippled Commie), no telling how much other nonsense about that bastard was also covered up.


Well the news media did not do a very good job of hiding the fact that FDR was a cripple. Many, many people around the U.S. knew he'd had polio and had to use braces to walk, etc. My mother and father certainly knew it as they'd talk about it during WW II, etc. FWIW, I was eight years old when FDR died and I remember it and the subsequent state funeral, which was filmed and shown in movie news at theaters.

Just an aside here, supposin' H.R.L's. story were true. I would think that the Navy officer who was out telling the story would be somewhat concerned about his own longevity, no matter it was several years after the fact. Given the enormity of such a "plot," there would have been numerous conspirators who would have had to be "disappeared." How did a Navy officer involved in the "coverup," escape??? And there would have been many others.

By the way, I know about the secrecy of the Manhattan Project, but Stalin knew about it long before Truman told him, thanks to Fuchs and other Russian spies in the U.S. People talk, quite often when they should not.

As I said, in my opinion it does not make any sense to me.

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Originally Posted by 7mmbuster
With all the history I’ve read, this is the first I’ve heard of a murder/suicide in FDR’s death.
Not trying to pick a fight, but everybody of his inner circle knew he had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal.
Even in February at the Yalta Conference, both Stalin and Churchill knew he was a live cadaver in a wheelchair. Probably the only guy who didn’t know was Truman.
For the second in command to be kept totally in the dark about matters of security tells you a lot about FDR. Many people of “The Greatest Generation” revered FDR, but if you read deeper into the story, you lose most of your respect for him.
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I don't revere him. Neither did my WWII decorated combat veteran Father.

FDR was a power hungry blight on America.


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As radical as the left has become, this type of talk is too calm... to normal....

Eventually, a dem will get the presidency and they will go full scale against guns and start people getting used to limitation. I fear we will see the end of gun ownership in the next 20 years. It is honestly like the government doesnt listen or cant hear the people.

Oh, that's just crazy talk. That's like saying the government will someday force the citizens to turn in all of their gold, and then devalue the dollar afterwards, which they could never do, because it would be illegal, and the justice department would never let it go unpunished...


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