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If no... we continue on...
If Yes as declared by the Government or President... what happens?
Your thoughts matter.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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What does it matter? Only right wingers are ever going to have any actual legal action brought against them based upon any of these sorts of proclamations, legitimate or otherwise.
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What does it matter? Only right wingers are ever going to have any actual legal action brought against them based upon any of these sorts of proclamations, legitimate or otherwise. Try again... What huge and logical reason does the President have for NOT declaring Antifa a Terrorist organization?
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Are you "terrorized" by them?
Yes, they meet the standard legal definition of a terrorist organization.
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I thought the big issue was "If" they are declared a TO,then it could be investigated to expose financial backers and funding sources.
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By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"? In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA. So, here's your first problem: Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended It must be a foreign organization. Take of look at the official State Department list here: https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list. Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity.
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By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"? In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA. So, here's your first problem: Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended It must be a foreign organization. Take of look at the official State Department list here: https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list. Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity. Of course, if you use the wrong classification, aka "foreign terrorist organization", you'll get the wrong information. If you use the right classification, aka "domestic terrorist organization", you might get the relevant information.
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By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"? In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA. So, here's your first problem: Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended It must be a foreign organization. Take of look at the official State Department list here: https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list. Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity. Excellent... very smart and thank you. ‐-------------- Now... if 219 is amended or superceded and Antifa is actually declared a TO... what happens to each of us personally? Clue #1... I was reading the fine print on my USAA policy the other day
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By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"? In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA. So, here's your first problem: Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended It must be a foreign organization. Take of look at the official State Department list here: https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list. Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity. Of course, if you use the wrong classification, aka "foreign terrorist organization", you'll get the wrong information. If you use the right classification, aka "domestic terrorist organization", you might get the relevant information. Great. Please post the U.S. Code that authorized the President of the United States to designate a Domestic Terrorist Organization, and the specific Federal criminal offense of "Domestic Terrorism", if it's a misdemeanor for felony, and the range of sentences allowed.
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Has Antifa (like the organization using the initials of the Bureau of Land Management) filed/registered for some sort of status where, like the previously mentioned organization, they have to report political donations?
If yes then follow the money upstream to relevant domestic or foreign donors/advisors...
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If they have illegal invaders in their ranks they are a foreign terrorist organization.
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If they have illegal invaders in their ranks they are a foreign terorist organization. Sodomy is technically illegal invasion... So I guess that passes the sniff test.
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If no... we continue on...
If Yes as declared by the Government or President... what happens?
Your thoughts matter. Yes. Gitmo.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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They're really not an organization, but they do use violent means for political ends, which is pretty much the definition of terrorism.
Terrorists, yes. Terrorist organization? Not quite yet.
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Depends how high up you go. Who is backing this? Who is stirring the pot? I submit to you... a terrorist organization.
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Insurance is NOT in effect for Acts of Terrorism, Act of War, Act of God.
Insurance (in general) DOES cover Civil Disobedience.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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ANTIFA = Enemies Domestic. They are communist agitators.
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If no... we continue on...
If Yes as declared by the Government or President... what happens?
Your thoughts matter. Of course not. It's not an ORGANIZATION.
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