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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Supposedly reading from the same book too on many occasions.
So if you read a book and somebody else reads the same book, and both of you draw different conclusions from that book, does that mean that something is ‘wrong’ with either of you...? Does it mean that something is wrong with either of your conclusions...? Does it mean that something is wrong with the book...?


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Your opinion on a matter is ‘yours’. People clearly and often see things differently amongst themselves. Regardless of them being non-believers or believers.
So everyone is a winner. All faiths are correct and valid?
If that’s ‘your’ opinion, so be it.


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Originally Posted by Ringman


You need to talk to a Ph.D. geologist about how deep the water would be is the land was smoothed out


At a crude guesstimate, the answer is about a half mile to a mile deep.

But that's IF the land was smoothed out.


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Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Supposedly reading from the same book too on many occasions.
So if you read a book and somebody else reads the same book, and both of you draw different conclusions from that book, does that mean that something is ‘wrong’ with either of you...? Does it mean that something is wrong with either or your conclusions...? Does it mean that something is wrong with the book...?


If two people of reasonable intelligence read the same book of facts (ie non-fiction) and they aren't getting the same facts, something is wrong with that book. Your talking about fiction.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by antlers
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Originally Posted by antlers
Your opinion on a matter is ‘yours’. People clearly and often see things differently amongst themselves. Regardless of them being non-believers or believers.
So everyone is a winner. All faiths are correct and valid?
If that’s ‘your’ opinion, so be it.


You have a unique perception on faith. It's a pity all the other believer's didn't think the same - could've saved a lot of bloodshed over the millennia.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
If two people of reasonable intelligence read the same book of facts (ie non-fiction) and they aren't getting the same facts, something is wrong with that book. Your talking about fiction.
So if two people read the same history book about the American Civil War, and one is a southerner and the other is a yankee...but they’re ‘both’ Americans...then if they aren’t both drawing the exact same conclusions from that book - then something is wrong with the book...?


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You need to talk to a Ph.D. geologist about how deep the water would be is the land was smoothed out


At a crude guesstimate, the answer is about a half mile to a mile deep.

But that's IF the land was smoothed out.



According to the Bible God created the earth. Could He not smooth it for a special judgement?


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What is there to be drawn from the bible? Are we to accept without question what the ancients believed?

As an evolution of belief, the god of the bible began as a war god of the tribe of Israel, transformed over time into a universal creator, the ultimate God, yet still angry and intolerant.

New testament times brought change, Greek thought and influence softened the character of god somewhat....so it is clear that this not 'divine revelation' but human thought and human belief.

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Originally Posted by Ringman
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Originally Posted by Ringman


You need to talk to a Ph.D. geologist about how deep the water would be is the land was smoothed out


At a crude guesstimate, the answer is about a half mile to a mile deep.

But that's IF the land was smoothed out.



According to the Bible God created the earth. Could He not smooth it for a special judgement?


You know what? You gotta get up very early in the morning to outwit Ringman. Although I disagree with him on a lot of things, he always has a good comeback. No complaint about that.


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Driven by desire and fear, faith is a poor means of sorting fact from fiction.
Nobody’s forcing any of it upon you, yet you seem to be ‘bothered’ by what others choose to believe about these matters. Why is that...?


I didn't say that anyone is being forced against their will. Its just a question of how convictions are formed, how will is formed.

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Driven by desire and fear, faith is a poor means of sorting fact from fiction.
Nobody’s forcing any of it upon you, yet you seem to be ‘bothered’ by what others choose to believe about these matters. Why is that...?


It makes some people nervous.
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Not really. Having beliefs questioned appears to make some nervous...and at times angry.

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I guess Mount Everest, Denali, Mount Ararat and the rest could have popped up since the ice age flood. If I can find a PHD geologist I'll ask him.

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New testament times brought change, Greek thought and influence softened the character of god somewhat....so it is clear that this not 'divine revelation' but human thought and human belief.
Your assertion above of “it is clear” is simply your opinion. Others are of the opinion that if someone will die for you...then they are ‘for’ you...and that can certainly influence someone’s thought and belief regarding the ‘softening of another’s character’.


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If two people of reasonable intelligence read the same book of facts (ie non-fiction) and they aren't getting the same facts, something is wrong with that book. Your talking about fiction.
So if two people read the same history book about the American Civil War, and one is a southerner and the other is a yankee...but they’re ‘both’ Americans...then if they aren’t both drawing the exact same conclusions from that book - then something is wrong with the book...?



If there's disputes over the facts either the book is wrong, or the readers are wrong or biased and not willing to accept the facts. So, yes there are errors somewhere in the process. Your logic comparison with faith is saying to read whatever facts you choose to believe. Not a rational stance, but the crux of how believers seem to work.


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Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
If two people of reasonable intelligence read the same book of facts (ie non-fiction) and they aren't getting the same facts, something is wrong with that book. Your talking about fiction.
So if two people read the same history book about the American Civil War, and one is a southerner and the other is a yankee...but they’re ‘both’ Americans...then if they aren’t both drawing the exact same conclusions from that book - then something is wrong with the book...?
If there's disputes over the facts either the book is wrong, or the readers are wrong or biased and not willing to accept the facts. So, yes there are errors somewhere in the process. Your logic comparison with faith is saying to read whatever facts you choose to believe. Not a rational stance, but the crux of how believers seem to work.
Or it could simply be that different people see things differently. Different people feel things differently. Different people experience things differently...even when it’s the ‘same’ experience. People think about things differently. To say that that’s “not a rational stance” is your opinion.


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Originally Posted by Hastings
I guess Mount Everest, Denali, Mount Ararat and the rest could have popped up since the ice age flood. If I can find a PHD geologist I'll ask him.


Finally you are making some progress!


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Originally Posted by antlers
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Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
If two people of reasonable intelligence read the same book of facts (ie non-fiction) and they aren't getting the same facts, something is wrong with that book. Your talking about fiction.
So if two people read the same history book about the American Civil War, and one is a southerner and the other is a yankee...but they’re ‘both’ Americans...then if they aren’t both drawing the exact same conclusions from that book - then something is wrong with the book...?
If there's disputes over the facts either the book is wrong, or the readers are wrong or biased and not willing to accept the facts. So, yes there are errors somewhere in the process. Your logic comparison with faith is saying to read whatever facts you choose to believe. Not a rational stance, but the crux of how believers seem to work.
Or it could simply be that different people see things differently. Different people feel things differently. Different people experience things differently...even when it’s the ‘same’ experience. People think about things differently. To say that that’s “not a rational stance” is your opinion.


You're saying then that facts are irrelevant, and only perceptions are important. I kinda think that we got to where we are technology wise due to observance and development of facts (ie science) - just remember that you benefit from a legacy of prior fact concurring understanding and development. Are you a hippy by chance?


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Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
You're saying then that facts are irrelevant, and only perceptions are important.
You’ve said from start to finish here that there are no “facts” in the Bible. And I do think that perceptions ‘are’ important, especially when it comes to the Bible.
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I kinda think that we got to where we are technology wise due to observance and development of facts (ie science).
I think so too, “technology wise”.
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...just remember that you benefit from a legacy of prior fact concurring understanding and development.
No doubt, but that’s not ‘all’ that I benefit from.
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Are you a hippy by chance?
lol

No.


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I think you folks don't realize Who God is. Remember the pale blue dot that is the earth in a photo taken from Pluto? That was just this solar system. God created not just this Galaxy but all of them. Infinite is, well, Infinite!


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