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Got a nephew started deer hunting last fall. He received a Savage 6.5CM for Christmas. Rifle likes the Hornady Whitetail 129gr Interlock load (#81489). Even though they are only $23 a box locally, money is still a concern. I would like to get him started reloading (1) to reduce cost / increase trigger time, and (2) as a learning experience for him.
Anyone have a 6.5CM, 129gr load recipe that closely approximates the Hornady 129gr interlock at 2820 fps? Hornady website only shows StaBALL making 2800fps. Barnes only shows SuperFormance making 2800fps. OTOH, Nosler site shows ALL powders making 2800fps with a 129gr bullet.
Have a variety of powders and primers on hand. Prefer Varget and RL15. Goal is a low cost, accurate, "one load does all." Approximately 200-300 rounds per year paper punching, ringing steel, and maybe 1 or 2 KY WT's per year. Will reuse 1x Hornady factory brass from his rifle. The Hornady 129gr Interlocks from Midway look reasonable at $0.25 each. Just looking for a powder / charge / COAL recommendation.
Thank you !
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I shoot mostly the heavier bullets in my Creeds, but with around 43 grains, both Reloder 16 and 17 were around 2800, with the 129 Interlock. Good accuracy with both.
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More than a few levels of 6.5 Creed use. When I bought my Savage m12fv with the heavy 26 barrel it was for shooting long with high bc 140+ gr bullets. The used Tikka on the other hand is a whole lot more weight friendly for normal hunting. That American Whitetail load shoots MOA in both guns. If. You don't have all the brass you need you could sure do worse than to buy a case of it because time you buy 2 boxes of 129 gr SP bullet ,200 primers, 2 lbs powder and 200 rds of brass ,you got way lot more $$ in a potential ammo supply than 10 boxes of the American Whitetail loads ready to go. No disrespect intended but your first duty to the nephew is to teach him how to operate and be successful as inexpensively as possible. A long the way you can teach him how to reload. I been shooting the 129 gr SP #2620 for years in the 6.5x55 and the 264 win mag ,it's damn good practical bullet that allways gets the job done. Meet his needs as inexpensive as possible and teach a long the way. I never pulled one down but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that ammo loaded with Superformance powder. MB
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In my 6.5 CM, I shoot two bullets; the 120 gr. Nosler BT and the one you mention, the 129 gr. Hornady SP Interlock. I load the Hornady bullet over 38.5 grains of Varget. Brass is Hornady primed with a Federal 210M. I get great accuracy and velocity hovering right around 2800 fps. COAL in my Barrett Fieldcraft is 2.75” but you’ll have to determine what his Savage will allow and likes. Hope that helps.
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Its.not hard to achieve good accuracy with several powders
H4350. RL-16, 17 OR RL26 with that bullet.
H4350 and RL26 are my favorites.
HMM-161, HMM-364
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I’m shooting the 130 game changers with good luck.
I think they are very good and affordable for box 100.
I’m using big game at max at around or almost 2900
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Maybe I'm a little dense, or I'm just not understanding the problem. Looks to me like it's harder to finds a powder that won't push the 129gr hornady past 2820:
Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 129, Hornady Interbond 26209
Useable Case Capaci: 49.127 grain H2O = 3.190 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
69 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 75%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
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Alliant Reloder-26 *C 105.0 51.1 3.31 3039 100.0 57244 11531 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 96.7 46.0 2.98 3021 100.0 62000 10298 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 101.7 44.9 2.91 3012 100.0 62000 10287 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 101.5 47.4 3.07 2987 99.7 62000 10566 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C 105.0 49.6 3.22 2985 98.8 56258 11461 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 95.8 45.9 2.97 2982 99.4 62000 10568 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 95.8 45.9 2.97 2982 99.4 62000 10568 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.0 47.3 3.06 2976 98.1 61484 10723 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 101.0 45.2 2.93 2968 100.0 62000 10127 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C 98.1 45.4 2.94 2967 100.0 62000 10259 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100.3 45.4 2.94 2964 100.0 62000 10095 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR 98.4 44.6 2.89 2962 100.0 62000 10106 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 91.4 45.1 2.93 2962 100.0 62000 10033 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 100.4 46.9 3.04 2958 98.0 62000 10519 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 105.0 47.6 3.08 2958 98.0 60045 10748 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 48.8 3.17 2946 96.1 56723 11125 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 91.3 44.0 2.85 2939 100.0 62000 9632 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 104.3 49.8 3.23 2934 98.1 62000 10247 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 90.9 41.2 2.67 2933 100.0 62000 9641 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 103.7 45.4 2.94 2928 100.0 62000 9309 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 91.8 41.6 2.69 2926 100.0 62000 9612 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 45.5 2.95 2924 100.0 60138 9868 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 92.2 41.8 2.71 2923 100.0 62000 9534 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 100.4 45.0 2.91 2922 99.4 62000 10018 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350 100.4 45.0 2.91 2922 99.4 62000 10018 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.1 43.1 2.79 2920 100.0 62000 9760 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 *T 103.1 45.7 2.96 2919 98.9 62000 9967 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 101.2 45.6 2.95 2919 99.0 62000 9949 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C 105.0 48.6 3.15 2916 95.0 53532 11333 1.208
Hodgdon BL-C2 86.7 42.9 2.78 2915 100.0 62000 9403 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 93.5 42.8 2.77 2913 100.0 62000 9388 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 87.2 42.2 2.73 2909 100.0 62000 9394 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 93.7 41.8 2.71 2909 100.0 62000 9265 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 88.6 40.1 2.60 2906 100.0 62000 9310 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 88.9 40.3 2.61 2906 100.0 62000 9366 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 48.1 3.11 2905 95.5 55267 10916 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 84.3 41.1 2.66 2904 100.0 62000 9069 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 6,5 StaBall *T*C 99.3 48.4 3.14 2901 100.0 62000 9125 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T 96.7 43.3 2.80 2900 99.2 62000 9767 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 99.2 43.9 2.85 2899 99.8 62000 9656 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle 99.2 43.9 2.85 2899 99.8 62000 9656 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 94.8 43.6 2.82 2897 98.9 62000 9815 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C 87.3 42.6 2.76 2894 99.9 62000 9558 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C 105.0 48.1 3.11 2894 96.9 52929 11003 1.218
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T 105.0 48.1 3.11 2892 95.5 58000 10392 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 94.2 41.4 2.68 2891 100.0 62000 9283 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET *T 94.5 41.4 2.68 2891 100.0 62000 9283 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 50.5 3.28 2887 92.9 52435 11270 1.224
IMR 4064 95.1 40.7 2.64 2882 100.0 62000 9094 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 87.3 40.2 2.60 2878 100.0 62000 9210 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C 85.6 39.0 2.53 2876 100.0 62000 8927 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 88.6 41.4 2.68 2876 100.0 62000 8809 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 86.6 41.4 2.68 2876 100.0 62000 8809 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 88.6 41.4 2.68 2876 100.0 62000 8809 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 92.8 40.9 2.65 2876 100.0 62000 8949 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision 92.8 40.9 2.65 2876 100.0 62000 8949 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.1 38.6 2.50 2876 100.0 62000 8613 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T 95.8 41.6 2.69 2874 99.3 62000 9447 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.1 41.2 2.67 2869 100.0 62000 8793 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 87.5 39.6 2.57 2869 100.0 62000 8839 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 105.0 51.8 3.36 2868 97.4 53092 10599 1.211
Norma 201 *C 90.0 39.9 2.58 2867 100.0 62000 8909 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 85.1 41.1 2.66 2863 100.0 62000 8955 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 *C 100.8 43.1 2.79 2859 100.0 62000 8768 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C 91.5 41.9 2.72 2857 100.0 62000 8780 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 80.6 39.8 2.58 2856 100.0 62000 8640 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C 89.3 39.8 2.58 2854 100.0 62000 8618 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 83.0 40.7 2.64 2852 100.0 62000 8709 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 83.3 40.5 2.62 2848 100.0 62000 8605 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 83.1 40.5 2.62 2848 100.0 62000 8605 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 94.9 44.8 2.91 2848 98.8 62000 9251 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 *C 96.0 41.8 2.71 2845 100.0 62000 8590 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 89.6 39.5 2.56 2843 100.0 62000 8697 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 80.2 37.5 2.43 2842 100.0 62000 8380 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 85.4 37.5 2.43 2842 100.0 62000 8380 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 87.5 38.8 2.51 2841 100.0 62000 8455 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus 82.1 39.8 2.58 2838 100.0 62000 8486 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 82.1 39.8 2.58 2838 100.0 62000 8486 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T 105.0 46.5 3.01 2836 100.0 49518 10046 1.256
Shooters World Tactical Rifle 82.0 39.6 2.56 2835 100.0 62000 8512 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 81.7 38.2 2.47 2834 100.0 62000 8479 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T 105.0 46.3 3.00 2831 95.4 56582 9971 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 89.0 39.9 2.58 2831 100.0 62000 8560 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 86.9 38.8 2.51 2828 100.0 62000 8434 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
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22 inch barrel. 44.5 gr RL 16, hornady brass, WLP, 129 gr interlock. 2.800 OAL. 2860 fps. 56k PSI pressure. easy peasy.
Enough already, just shoot it!
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Gents, I appreciate all of the input....
@lastround - the Varget load matches the Nosler data. Will probably start there.
@Magnum_Bob - Yes, sometimes less cost (and easier) to just buy a case and be done. However, I have everything already on hand to get him started, except possibly, the bullets. So, no out-of-pocket costs... I have done what you stated with Nosler trophy grade and Federal blue box for the .270 Win, even though I have a lifetime supply of reloading components.
The nephew is a smart lad. Picks up quick. I try to introduce something new each time his Grandpa (my BIL) brings him down to shoot. Yesterday was intro to (awareness of) shooting in the wind (gusts at 10-15mph from 3 o'clock). Figure we will start on reloading in the next month or so. Goal would be to have him shoot his next deer this fall with a round that he rolled himself.
@Antelope - Appreciate the post. Surprised at the differences in max loads and velocities between QL (?) and Hodgdon website. eg: Varget and H4895. Not sure where the difference would come from other than Interlock vs Accubond bullet construction ?
@lhead - Appreciate the RL26 load. Have several pounds of RL26 on hand. Will queue that up to compare with Varget.
Thank you !
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Maybe I'm a little dense, or I'm just not understanding the problem. Looks to me like it's harder to finds a powder that won't push the 129gr hornady past 2820:
Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 129, Hornady Interbond 26209
Useable Case Capaci: 49.127 grain H2O = 3.190 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
69 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 75%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Alliant Reloder-26 *C 105.0 51.1 3.31 3039 100.0 57244 11531 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 96.7 46.0 2.98 3021 100.0 62000 10298 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 101.7 44.9 2.91 3012 100.0 62000 10287 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 101.5 47.4 3.07 2987 99.7 62000 10566 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C 105.0 49.6 3.22 2985 98.8 56258 11461 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 95.8 45.9 2.97 2982 99.4 62000 10568 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 95.8 45.9 2.97 2982 99.4 62000 10568 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.0 47.3 3.06 2976 98.1 61484 10723 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 101.0 45.2 2.93 2968 100.0 62000 10127 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C 98.1 45.4 2.94 2967 100.0 62000 10259 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100.3 45.4 2.94 2964 100.0 62000 10095 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR 98.4 44.6 2.89 2962 100.0 62000 10106 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 91.4 45.1 2.93 2962 100.0 62000 10033 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 100.4 46.9 3.04 2958 98.0 62000 10519 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 105.0 47.6 3.08 2958 98.0 60045 10748 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 48.8 3.17 2946 96.1 56723 11125 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 91.3 44.0 2.85 2939 100.0 62000 9632 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 104.3 49.8 3.23 2934 98.1 62000 10247 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 90.9 41.2 2.67 2933 100.0 62000 9641 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 103.7 45.4 2.94 2928 100.0 62000 9309 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 91.8 41.6 2.69 2926 100.0 62000 9612 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 45.5 2.95 2924 100.0 60138 9868 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 92.2 41.8 2.71 2923 100.0 62000 9534 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 100.4 45.0 2.91 2922 99.4 62000 10018 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350 100.4 45.0 2.91 2922 99.4 62000 10018 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.1 43.1 2.79 2920 100.0 62000 9760 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 *T 103.1 45.7 2.96 2919 98.9 62000 9967 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 101.2 45.6 2.95 2919 99.0 62000 9949 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C 105.0 48.6 3.15 2916 95.0 53532 11333 1.208
Hodgdon BL-C2 86.7 42.9 2.78 2915 100.0 62000 9403 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 93.5 42.8 2.77 2913 100.0 62000 9388 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 87.2 42.2 2.73 2909 100.0 62000 9394 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 93.7 41.8 2.71 2909 100.0 62000 9265 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 88.6 40.1 2.60 2906 100.0 62000 9310 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 88.9 40.3 2.61 2906 100.0 62000 9366 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 48.1 3.11 2905 95.5 55267 10916 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 84.3 41.1 2.66 2904 100.0 62000 9069 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 6,5 StaBall *T*C 99.3 48.4 3.14 2901 100.0 62000 9125 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T 96.7 43.3 2.80 2900 99.2 62000 9767 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 99.2 43.9 2.85 2899 99.8 62000 9656 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle 99.2 43.9 2.85 2899 99.8 62000 9656 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 94.8 43.6 2.82 2897 98.9 62000 9815 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C 87.3 42.6 2.76 2894 99.9 62000 9558 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C 105.0 48.1 3.11 2894 96.9 52929 11003 1.218
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T 105.0 48.1 3.11 2892 95.5 58000 10392 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 94.2 41.4 2.68 2891 100.0 62000 9283 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET *T 94.5 41.4 2.68 2891 100.0 62000 9283 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 50.5 3.28 2887 92.9 52435 11270 1.224
IMR 4064 95.1 40.7 2.64 2882 100.0 62000 9094 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 87.3 40.2 2.60 2878 100.0 62000 9210 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C 85.6 39.0 2.53 2876 100.0 62000 8927 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 88.6 41.4 2.68 2876 100.0 62000 8809 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 86.6 41.4 2.68 2876 100.0 62000 8809 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 88.6 41.4 2.68 2876 100.0 62000 8809 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 92.8 40.9 2.65 2876 100.0 62000 8949 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision 92.8 40.9 2.65 2876 100.0 62000 8949 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.1 38.6 2.50 2876 100.0 62000 8613 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T 95.8 41.6 2.69 2874 99.3 62000 9447 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.1 41.2 2.67 2869 100.0 62000 8793 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 87.5 39.6 2.57 2869 100.0 62000 8839 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 105.0 51.8 3.36 2868 97.4 53092 10599 1.211
Norma 201 *C 90.0 39.9 2.58 2867 100.0 62000 8909 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 85.1 41.1 2.66 2863 100.0 62000 8955 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 *C 100.8 43.1 2.79 2859 100.0 62000 8768 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C 91.5 41.9 2.72 2857 100.0 62000 8780 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 80.6 39.8 2.58 2856 100.0 62000 8640 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C 89.3 39.8 2.58 2854 100.0 62000 8618 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 83.0 40.7 2.64 2852 100.0 62000 8709 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 83.3 40.5 2.62 2848 100.0 62000 8605 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 83.1 40.5 2.62 2848 100.0 62000 8605 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 94.9 44.8 2.91 2848 98.8 62000 9251 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 *C 96.0 41.8 2.71 2845 100.0 62000 8590 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 89.6 39.5 2.56 2843 100.0 62000 8697 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 80.2 37.5 2.43 2842 100.0 62000 8380 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 85.4 37.5 2.43 2842 100.0 62000 8380 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 87.5 38.8 2.51 2841 100.0 62000 8455 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus 82.1 39.8 2.58 2838 100.0 62000 8486 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 82.1 39.8 2.58 2838 100.0 62000 8486 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T 105.0 46.5 3.01 2836 100.0 49518 10046 1.256
Shooters World Tactical Rifle 82.0 39.6 2.56 2835 100.0 62000 8512 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 81.7 38.2 2.47 2834 100.0 62000 8479 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T 105.0 46.3 3.00 2831 95.4 56582 9971 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 89.0 39.9 2.58 2831 100.0 62000 8560 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 86.9 38.8 2.51 2828 100.0 62000 8434 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Hes a newb to handloading. Thats the obvious problem. Questions like, what COAL, etc are a dead give away. He needs to buy a load manual and figure out some of this chitd on his own.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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COAL?
It was stated the rifle liked the factory ammo. Easy starting point: same length for the same bullet.
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Gents, I appreciate all of the input....
@lastround - the Varget load matches the Nosler data. Will probably start there.
@Magnum_Bob - Yes, sometimes less cost (and easier) to just buy a case and be done. However, I have everything already on hand to get him started, except possibly, the bullets. So, no out-of-pocket costs... I have done what you stated with Nosler trophy grade and Federal blue box for the .270 Win, even though I have a lifetime supply of reloading components.
The nephew is a smart lad. Picks up quick. I try to introduce something new each time his Grandpa (my BIL) brings him down to shoot. Yesterday was intro to (awareness of) shooting in the wind (gusts at 10-15mph from 3 o'clock). Figure we will start on reloading in the next month or so. Goal would be to have him shoot his next deer this fall with a round that he rolled himself.
@Antelope - Appreciate the post. Surprised at the differences in max loads and velocities between QL (?) and Hodgdon website. eg: Varget and H4895. Not sure where the difference would come from other than Interlock vs Accubond bullet construction ?
@lhead - Appreciate the RL26 load. Have several pounds of RL26 on hand. Will queue that up to compare with Varget.
Thank you ! Interlock vs. Accubond matters a lot. Difference in bearing surface. Additionally QL's using default values for things like case capacity. Different brass can with different capacities makes a huge difference.
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RL16 will do it easily, 43.5 gr gets me ~2,830 fps with 127gr LRX out of a 20". The Alliant website gives a max load for the 129gr SST of 44.4gr @ ~2,949 fps.
As antelope_sniper said though, lots of powders (especially 4350 burn rate and slower) should give good velocities with that bullet. I like the 129gr IL in my Grendel because it doesn't protrude into the powder column very much so you can load it up with slower or bulkier powders.
I will say that in my 22" Montana, the 129gr whitetail chrono'd at ~2,760 fps, not quite box velocity.
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I don't load quite hot enough to get 2800 but 41.7gr of RL16 is very accurate with 129SP seconds that I got from Midway - runs right at 2700fps in Hdy brass w/ CCI 200 primers. I have no doubt that it would be a deer slayer. I have taken several deer with the 6.5CM and 130gr Sierra Gamechangers - but being how those are unobtainable the Hornadys may be the go to this year.
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39.5 Varget and Nosler 120 BT in my Howa 1500 6.5 Creedmoor.
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Gents,
I had to do a double take when I saw that I started this thread almost two years ago. I appreciate the input. However, no reloading for nephew's rifle, yet. BIL has managed to keep him in factory ammo (some how?). Nephew has managed to whack two more KY white tails with his 6.5 over the past two seasons. He is now 3 for 3. Once he brings some empty brass this way, we'll work on learning how to reload. Again, Thank you for the input...
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