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Explains the masks, the no contact and "sanitary protocol", for everyone to protect the special boomers, who have given us so much...

Lots of keeled over 17 year olds, I know.

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Originally Posted by deflave
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Our schools are set to open in full next month. Masks will be required and no contact sports. Sanitary protocols will be set in place for regular use of hand sanitizers, etc.

School maintenance staff will use disinfectant spray at the close of each school day. Overtime has been approved.


Brilliant strategy.

LOL

Like I said. You can’t make this schit up.


Governor just shut all the bars down,,,again.

Protests are still allowed, it appears .

LSU football, coming off of a National championship, doesn’t know whether to scchitt or go blind.


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Everyone has an opinion about how and if schools should reopen for this coming school year. We’ve heard from the governors, the pediatricians, the parents, the education secretary, and the president. Everyone has a “study” and “research” to back up their claims, but unfortunately (as always with decisions made in education) they do not have one very important thing- experience in a classroom. In classrooms filled to max capacity with five year olds who don’t even know how to blow their own noses, where the teacher:student ratio is 1:28 or in some cases even higher. Classrooms where the teachers are already begging parents for tissues, hand sanitizer and antibacterial wipes, even in a pre-Covid world. Classrooms and hallways and bathrooms filled with teenagers who think they are invincible. School buildings with no extra rooms, without central air, where there are 4 sinks for over 200 students to use. As a teacher, I do have this experience, so I have many questions about how it will be possible and safe for schools to reopen. Nobody asked me- but since many other professions are giving their opinions about reopening, I thought maybe, just maybe, (it’s a little crazy but hear me out) we should hear from a teacher.

Let’s discuss hand washing. If an average class size of kindergartners is 25, then it would take 8.3 minutes for them each to wash their hands for 20 seconds- not too bad you might think. That’s doable- let’s reopen! Unfortunately that does not account for transition time between students at the sink, the student who plays in the bubbles, or splashes another student, or cuts in line, or has to be provided moral support to flush the toilet, because they are scared. It doesn’t account for the fact that only a few students will be allowed in the bathroom at a time and the teacher must monitor whose turn it is to enter and exit the bathroom, and control the hallway behavior, and send the student who just coughed to the “quarantine room” that doesn’t exist BECAUSE THERE ARE NO EXTRA ROOMS. Where are the students in hallway waiting? In line? All together? Six feet apart? No wait, three feet is okay now. Either way, 25 children standing three feet apart is a line over 75 feet long. Who is monitoring this line? Keeping them quiet, reminding them to keep their hands to themselves?

Another thing about social distancing. Even people who are not teachers have already figured out that there is not enough room in classrooms for all students to be six feet apart. No problem, we’ll just change the guideline to three feet. But what about all of the classrooms around the country that don’t even have room to put all of their student desks three feet apart? What about the classrooms that do not have desks and have tables where students sit in groups instead? Who is providing these classrooms with new socially distant furniture? Is there a budget for this or are schools getting increased funding? LOL NO, they are getting LESS funding. Oh okay, well maybe teachers will just buy it themselves out of their own pockets, as they do so many other supplies. Well I have bought A LOT for my classroom and students over the years, but I can not personally afford to buy them all individual desks. Even if the kids do have individual desk spaces, do they have to stay there all day? Do the kindergartners ever get to come to the carpet area for a story (spoiler alert- it is not big enough for 25 kids to sit three feet apart). Do they ever get to do centers? Sit next to a friend and read together? Can they even share books? I think before anyone gets to answer these questions, or more likely brush them aside, they should have to try to teach 25 five year olds how to sit in a chair on the first day of school.. and then get them to stay there all day every day.

So after we return to school without the equipment and ability to stay healthy and safe and a teacher or student gets symptoms, what then? The teacher or student should stay home to avoid infecting others, right? Well, a few things to consider: 1. Many times the kids are asymptomatic so they will be spreading germs unknowingly. 2. Many kids already come to school sick, sometimes dosed with medicine to mask fevers and symptoms, because parents have to get to work. How do we monitor this? 3. The symptoms of COVID are very similar to the symptoms that young children exhibit throughout the fall, winter, and spring due to common cold or allergies. And if teachers and students really stayed home every time they had a cough or symptom, they would probably be absent more than present. So do we have to ignore certain symptoms? Please clarify which symptoms are okay. 4. Staff are likely to have increased absences due to self-monitoring symptoms. Are they going to have substitutes for their classes? Substitutes can already be extremely hard to find. If we do find a sub- what germs are they bringing in? Where have they been? If they test positive do all schools they have been subbing at have to quarantine? 5. If a teacher or student tests positive for COVID, who quarantines? The entire class? The school building? Do we use sick days for this or is it unpaid? Do we switch to remote learning during the quarantine? Who is teaching the remote learning if the teacher is unable to work due to HAVING THE COVID THAT HE/SHE CAUGHT AT SCHOOL BECAUSE WE CHANGED ALL THE HEALTH AND SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS JUST TO ACCOMMODATE PUSHING SCHOOLS TO REOPEN WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT, SPACE, OR ABILITY TO KEEP STAFF AND STUDENTS SAFE?

Yeah, but students need to be in school for socialization! You are 100% correct there. Students need to interact and have human connection and learn social skills. Helping students learn to make friends, share, be kind, love learning, and become good citizens is one of the most important parts of my job. However it’s going to be hard to interact when students have to stay apart and impossible to learn to share if they can’t touch the same supplies. And guess what? That REALLY stinks. Everyone can agree this whole Covid situation bites the big one. Teachers WANT to get back to school- WHEN IT IS SAFE. We want to get back to seeing “our kids” in person everyday- WHEN THE CASES STOP RISING. Teaching remotely is not easy or fun. We want to get back in our classrooms- WHEN WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FEEL LIKE WE ARE RISKING OUR LIVES AND OUR FAMILIES LIVES TO DO SO.

We hear you, parents: Kids like school. They miss school. They learn more at school. They are annoying you at home. Teachers miss school too. We miss the kids (even though, off the record, they annoy us sometimes too)! But our top concern right now is that everyone is healthy and safe. Remote learning isn’t most people’s first choice, but it is a safer solution in the meantime, while we figure out this global health crisis. It is also hard to imagine how much learning would be taking place in the classroom anyway after they wait in their 75 foot long lines to wash their hands for 20 seconds multiple times a day. School days are already crammed full and now we will be adding in disinfecting constantly, monitoring for symptoms, sending kids to “quarantine”, trying to get ahold of parents, dealing with masks, giving “mask breaks”, etc. We were flying by the seat of our pants to make remote learning work last spring and I think teachers across the country did a pretty darn good job! But if we would decide now to make the safe decision for teachers and students and open with remote learning in the fall, teachers could be training and preparing and planning for online education, (instead of trying to open schools and then flying by the seat of our pants AGAIN to go online when it doesn’t work!)

We hear you pediatricians: Kids don’t usually get severe symptoms. They are usually asymptomatic. That is all well and good, but kids can still spread the virus to each other. They might not get sick, but they can take those germs home to their families. They can give those germs to their teachers, who can take it home to their families. Yes, we, as teachers, are used to being the sacrificial lambs. Yes, we protect our students and would take a bullet for them if necessary. We would give our lives to keep them safe when they are in our care. But I am not willing to expose myself to COVID and take COVID home to my family for the sake of having school in-person when that is completely preventable.

We hear you, governors: wE aRe hAVinG a haRd tiMe mAkiNg dEcisiONs. Yes, this is an ever-changing situation and we have all been keeping our fingers crossed, but COVID is not going away, cases are on the rise, the school year is approaching, and we need answers.

We hear you, Secretary of Education (“the first secretary of education with zero experience in public schools”): Blah, blah, blah. Please sit down.

We hear you, President: These CDC guidelines are too safe. Make them less safe and easier and cheaper to follow. Open the schools or I will cut your funding. The health and safety of this country’s children and teachers is more important than the economy. That should be obvious and not a political issue to be debated.

But what do I know? I’m just a teacher. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯







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The taxpayers should stop paying full pay and benefits for what is going on now and the school shutdown would end real quick.


Agreed.

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I strongly suspect they are enjoying getting full pay and not having a schedule to keep.


I was shut down at home for two months before our regularly scheduled summer break. It was nice I guess not to have to run out the door in the morning, I prob'ly put in 30 hours a week on the computer during that time as opposed to the 50-60 I would spent at school. Half the hours and probably 20% of the material covered online relative to the classroom.

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They are somewhat teaching online but only the really motivated students are getting anything out of it is my belief.


Exactly true, and dependent on the subject. Things like History and Biology at the High School level are mostly read and recite, Calculus and Physics would be a different story all together..


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Note how the pretentious, ass hole, loser likes to tell parents that they don’t know any school teachers.

LOL

Can’t make it up.


Isn't "pretentious" when you pretend to be something you're not?


You’re the teacher.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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The taxpayers should stop paying full pay and benefits for what is going on now and the school shutdown would end real quick.


Agreed.

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I strongly suspect they are enjoying getting full pay and not having a schedule to keep.


I was shut down at home for two months before our regularly scheduled summer break. It was nice I guess not to have to run out the door in the morning, I prob'ly put in 30 hour
s a week on the computer during that time as opposed to the 50-60 I would spent at school. Half the hours and probably 20% of the material covered online relative to the classroom.

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They are somewhat teaching online but only the really motivated students are getting anything out of it is my belief.


Exactly true, and dependent on the subject. Things like History and Biology at the High School level are mostly read and recite, Calculus and Physics would be a different story all together..



Do you support your school reopening?


Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Our schools are set to open in full next month. Masks will be required and no contact sports. Sanitary protocols will be set in place for regular use of hand sanitizers, etc.

School maintenance staff will use disinfectant spray at the close of each school day. Overtime has been approved.


Brilliant strategy.

LOL

Like I said. You can’t make this schit up.


Governor just shut all the bars down,,,again.

Protests are still allowed, it appears .

LSU football, coming off of a National championship, doesn’t know whether to scchitt or go blind.


Have you changed your mind on supporting all this bullschit?


Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Originally Posted by HawkI
Explains the masks, the no contact and "sanitary protocol", for everyone to protect the special boomers, who have given us so much...

Lots of keeled over 17 year olds, I know.


Lots of adult-onset type two diabetics in San Antonio, its unusual to find a Hispanic family here that doesn't have diabetic family members or relatives. Dunno how many diabetic students we have, somewhere between 50 and 100 would be my WAG. So that's a consideration.

I would guess at the present time most Americans with elderly relatives are taking at least some precautions, how about yourself?


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Our schools are set to open in full next month. Masks will be required and no contact sports. Sanitary protocols will be set in place for regular use of hand sanitizers, etc.

School maintenance staff will use disinfectant spray at the close of each school day. Overtime has been approved.


Brilliant strategy.

LOL

Like I said. You can’t make this schit up.


Governor just shut all the bars down,,,again.

Protests are still allowed, it appears .

LSU football, coming off of a National championship, doesn’t know whether to scchitt or go blind.


Have you changed your mind on supporting all this bullschit?


Life hasn’t changed much for me at all. I wear a mask where it’s required to enter, that’s about it.

I do know folks that have been deeply impacted by the virus, three of my family members.


The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.

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Originally Posted by deflave
[quote=Hastings][quote=Birdwatcher]Seems like the gist here is whether a teacher should be on salary or paid by the hour, and in this time of Covid whether the contract should be breached and the salary should be retroactively cut.
These debates generally fall into two camps; those that know actual teachers and those that don't.

You must not be listening.

They’re working harder than ever.

LOL



Travis I know that you sit and act like the roving peanut gallery but as a teacher I can tell you that what they propose for teachers to do is more than what many of you can fathom. We will teach the students who come to school in real life in two different cohorts( small classes that are socially distanced), teach online with both synchronous and asynchronous instruction and finally make all of our assignments and material available to students and parents who want to do alternative assignments that do not require internet access. This comes with 504s, IEPs, understanding which of the 26 genders your child decides to be for the day and go through how awful it is to be a white male of privilege. Then be a constitutionalist and fervent believer in Turner's hypothesis. My average class size is 35 students per class with five classes and one group of students who I tutor. So I have to keep it real for nearly 200 students and if I get one gender pronoun wrong its my ass. I want school to just come on back to normal where I can get students to think for themselves. But today, most teachers would rather have their high school students color the cartoon graphic novel of Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States and give them all civic trophies for voting like good little liberals. There has been four years of students walking out of school without consequences. Stuff is going to get real but I know that at least I have worked to produce many thinkers who value the past and understand the great men and women who came before us.

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I want all the neverous ninnies to go DocRocket's thread and get some education from an authority.


Go to the 21:00 minute mark.

"The pandemic is not controllable. We cannot control this. We cannot contain it. The only chance we had at containing this is when it was first getting loose from the lab in Wuhan. It was not contain by the Comu...uh. the Chinese government at that time, and after that, all questions of containment have been mute."


I want everyone in America to listen and understand that. That will end all the silliness about masks and and shut downs and shelter in place and closing schools.

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Originally Posted by kaboku68
Originally Posted by deflave
[quote=Hastings][quote=Birdwatcher]Seems like the gist here is whether a teacher should be on salary or paid by the hour, and in this time of Covid whether the contract should be breached and the salary should be retroactively cut.
These debates generally fall into two camps; those that know actual teachers and those that don't.

You must not be listening.

They’re working harder than ever.

LOL



Travis I know that you sit and act like the roving peanut gallery but as a teacher I can tell you that what they propose for teachers to do is more than what many of you can fathom. We will teach the students who come to school in real life in two different cohorts( small classes that are socially distanced), teach online with both synchronous and asynchronous instruction and finally make all of our assignments and material available to students and parents who want to do alternative assignments that do not require internet access. This comes with 504s, IEPs, understanding which of the 26 genders your child decides to be for the day and go through how awful it is to be a white male of privilege. Then be a constitutionalist and fervent believer in Turner's hypothesis. My average class size is 35 students per class with five classes and one group of students who I tutor. So I have to keep it real for nearly 200 students and if I get one gender pronoun wrong its my ass. I want school to just come on back to normal where I can get students to think for themselves. But today, most teachers would rather have their high school students color the cartoon graphic novel of Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States and give them all civic trophies for voting like good little liberals. There has been four years of students walking out of school without consequences. Stuff is going to get real but I know that at least I have worked to produce many thinkers who value the past and understand the great men and women who came before us.


Are your schools opening this fall?


Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
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The taxpayers should stop paying full pay and benefits for what is going on now and the school shutdown would end real quick.


Agreed.

Quote
I strongly suspect they are enjoying getting full pay and not having a schedule to keep.


I was shut down at home for two months before our regularly scheduled summer break. It was nice I guess not to have to run out the door in the morning, I prob'ly put in 30 hour
s a week on the computer during that time as opposed to the 50-60 I would spent at school. Half the hours and probably 20% of the material covered online relative to the classroom.

Quote
They are somewhat teaching online but only the really motivated students are getting anything out of it is my belief.


Exactly true, and dependent on the subject. Things like History and Biology at the High School level are mostly read and recite, Calculus and Physics would be a different story all together..



Do you support your school reopening?


Already said I did.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by HawkI
Explains the masks, the no contact and "sanitary protocol", for everyone to protect the special boomers, who have given us so much...

Lots of keeled over 17 year olds, I know.


Lots of adult-onset type two diabetics in San Antonio, its unusual to find a Hispanic family here that doesn't have diabetic family members or relatives. Dunno how many diabetic students we have, somewhere between 50 and 100 would be my WAG. So that's a consideration.

I would guess at the present time most Americans with elderly relatives are taking at least some precautions, how about yourself?




Birdy,

None.

Pops has been wheelchair bound since 95.

He's ripe for the takin', as any of us are.
He's outlived 3 brothers, two younger and one older, despite living a less than sober, and full on lifestyle.

The precautions are zero. Its life, or it ain't.

There's two kinds of elderly: the money laden and the humble, the shocked and the surprised and the content....

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My mom is 88, planning her next birthday skydive.

She was bombed out of her house courtesy of the Luftwaffe age eight, ain't really worried about the virus, says she doesn't expect to live forever.

OTOH my brother's elderly mother in law just died from it and his college age son is at his house self-quarantining after a positive test.

My son is type two adult-onset diabetic, I'd just as soon not be the one who visits the virus on either him or my mom.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
My mom is 88, planning her next birthday skydive.

She was bombed out of her house courtesy of the Luftwaffe age eight, ain't really worried about the virus, says she doesn't expect to live forever.

OTOH my brother's elderly mother in law just died from it and his college age son is at his house self-quarantining after a positive test.

My son is type two adult-onset diabetic, I'd just as soon not be the one who visits the virus on either him or my mom.


Aint up to you, never has been....unless of course you cotton yourself as the Luftwaffe.

I wasnt supposed to live outside an icubator, but eventually I ceased to be a science project and my parents took me home...

Live life and let the good lord sweat the details.

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I can understand why SHE didn't join the military.


What the hell is that supposed to mean? How does it relate?


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by kaboku68
Originally Posted by deflave
[quote=Hastings][quote=Birdwatcher]Seems like the gist here is whether a teacher should be on salary or paid by the hour, and in this time of Covid whether the contract should be breached and the salary should be retroactively cut.
These debates generally fall into two camps; those that know actual teachers and those that don't.

You must not be listening.

They’re working harder than ever.

LOL



Travis I know that you sit and act like the roving peanut gallery but as a teacher I can tell you that what they propose for teachers to do is more than what many of you can fathom. We will teach the students who come to school in real life in two different cohorts( small classes that are socially distanced), teach online with both synchronous and asynchronous instruction and finally make all of our assignments and material available to students and parents who want to do alternative assignments that do not require internet access. This comes with 504s, IEPs, understanding which of the 26 genders your child decides to be for the day and go through how awful it is to be a white male of privilege. Then be a constitutionalist and fervent believer in Turner's hypothesis. My average class size is 35 students per class with five classes and one group of students who I tutor. So I have to keep it real for nearly 200 students and if I get one gender pronoun wrong its my ass. I want school to just come on back to normal where I can get students to think for themselves. But today, most teachers would rather have their high school students color the cartoon graphic novel of Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States and give them all civic trophies for voting like good little liberals. There has been four years of students walking out of school without consequences. Stuff is going to get real but I know that at least I have worked to produce many thinkers who value the past and understand the great men and women who came before us.


Are your schools opening this fall?



Yes. and I hope the liberals say that they feel endangered so that they can stay home.

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Originally Posted by kaboku68
Yes. and I hope the liberals say that they feel endangered so that they can stay home.

Open the schools. If somebody is scared of a virus let them quit school or find some alternative. Goes for teachers, students , lunch ladies, whatever. Pay, class credits and benefits cease if you don't come. Start a hiring campaign. Ask for volunteers.


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Started teaching in 1956 and started my first public school job in 1960 - taught strong and deep for many years - knew a ton of students and quite a number of teachers. None of that makes me an expert, but it does tend to have cultivated insights and some wisdom in the general area of teaching and teachers. As a citizen, I am not stating an opinion on whether or not schools should open, when and how.

As a teacher, my request is get me back into the classroom on time, full time with a full load of students - enable me to do something I do well for them, and enable them to do what they need to do - learn and learn to learn. Is this bravado? No! It is common sense and a drive to do what is correct.

Many people, including a lot of "teachers" are showing significant ignorance or selfishness - or some of both. This particular virus is not going to diminish or go away because of anything we do or do not do about opening the schools. This thing is going to run its cycle. and it is going to cause some more folks to die - and we cannot control or manage those overall effects. I do think that we can do a much better job of controlling the degree of illness in individual people once the illness is detected in them. That has nothing to do with masks, washing hands, opening schools or bars or stadiums. As more folks contract the virus. the overall effects will diminish - as with all such viruses.

Yes - continued deaths - but evidence is starting to show that it will kill about one half of 1 percent of the people who contract it, while heart disease will kill 4 times as many in the same time period, and about the same for cancer, and accidents will kill about 10 times as many.

I'm not much interested in hiring the teacher who writes long paragraphs about why she/he does not want the schools to open and does not want to be there. Such a person should resign - give up the contractual arrangement - get another job. Never were we teachers given or guaranteed a position with pay and benefits if, in turn, we did not perform accordingly.


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