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Since everyone is waxing lyrical about RS, here's one of his newest articles on the subject of elk rifles...

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/ross-seyfried-busting-the-magnum-myth/


I didn’t know we were “waxing lyrical”. Can’t disagree with anything there Brad, but just note that RS has taken the “cartridge-journey” also. Until we have our own experiences, we defer to that of others’. Eventually, we all become a product of our very own.


George, meant to say "waxing nostalgic"...


Actually, I think you meant “you old guys”. 🙂

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Always love these threads--partly because they almost never mention how quickly elk die when shot in the right place with a broadhead.


Does that have to do with a 7-08 bullet in the same spot?


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Originally Posted by CreekWarrior
The reality is, so few here actually know very little about anything complex as ballistic wound channels, or at least enough to make an informed opinion that clearly shows the 7-08 is the equivalent killer as any magnum. But they proudly give their astounding advice, post their pictures, find articles that support their silly views and then deem everyone else is below them.

Don’t try to piss up my back and then tell me that it’s raining based upon your worthless experience. But hey, it is the internet.



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Originally Posted by CreekWarrior
Hilarious! Cripes what a funny group of authoritarian piss-ants. Brad was outed over a decade ago as a poseur- hunting on a private ranch and passing it off as something it wasn’t. Hence, one of the reasons Stick pinned the “he works at Dairy Queen wearing a DQ hat” on him way back then. Five foot nothing and all mouth…

My point was that more than a decade ago, this site slipped from having any value and meaning to a bunch of do-nothing idiots, flappin’ their gums, and pissin’ at each other about who’s the bigger more knowledgable bad butt. They’ve now progressed to who not only has BTDT, but now, who has actually done it all! All while giving worthless opinions that somehow, through miraculous spiritual powers, calibers like the 7-08 are the equivalent of the much larger and scary “magnum” calibers like a 338Winny! With a couple of shots across a pasture at calm elk and one great divine proclamation they revealed to the masses “it’s all about the bullet”! “Yeah verily”, they pronounced!

And to throw in their extra measure of worthless attitude, additional smirks and insults are added for good effect like, “the magnum crowd has little or no experience killing anything” or “there are those who actually hunt and kill elk with certain cartridges and those who read about killing elk in a magazine”. Talk about unfounded arrogance. When you give this “hard earned” advice, you all should be truthful and give new shooters an idea of where your vast wealth of experience comes from, I suggest you add a caveat to all your statements like;

- ….but I shoot across Montana pastures at elk feeding at the haystack….YMMV.
- ….”my outfitter” guarantees an elk kill and I prefer his Outers window mounted rest.
- ….our lease in Texas in managed for trophy buck production and the blinds are air conditioned.

Physics can’t be denied but please keep believing in your world that physics is somehow different. And your experience is actually elk hunting.

“It’s not what works when everything goes well that matter’s but rather, what works when things go wrong”, is still a profound statement in the real world. I’ve had a few rodeo’s and walked into so many more where someone made a poor decision using something marginal for killing an elk. The reality is, so few here actually know very little about anything complex as ballistic wound channels, or at least enough to make an informed opinion that clearly shows the 7-08 is the equivalent killer as any magnum. But they proudly give their astounding advice, post their pictures, find articles that support their silly views and then deem everyone else is below them.

Don’t try to piss up my back and then tell me that it’s raining based upon your worthless experience. But hey, it is the internet.

Soon, some of ya will be able to slip out of your Spider Man onesies and get back to mowing lawns…..or back to making ice creams cones.

Regards


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I think I can clarify all of this misunderstanding for this fellow. What the man clearly needs is a Remington 66 Nylon chambered in 416 Chetac with a Aimpoint red dot and at LEAST two levels, one for uphill shooting, the other for downhill shots. The only other option would be a Pre 64 model 70 chambered for 22LR. The smaller diameter 22 bullet has less frontal area and will penetrate just as well as the 416. FINALLY, some clarity and prudent advice here. LOL

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You don't wish to use the 7600??? 35 Whelen is great medicine for lots of critters here and plains game in Africa. Be Well, Rustyzipper.


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Originally Posted by SLDUCK
recoil does not bother me at all shooting to 400 yards is going to be required SW Colorado Hiking is going to be required. I was thinking a 338 win mag or 325 WSM Or just a plan jane 7mm rem mag in a lightweight


Treat yourself to a new rifle. In your situation a 7mm RM or .300WM would be my first choices, followed by - in no particular order - .270 Win, .30-06 or .338WM. I list the .30-06 only because your semi-auto is probably heavier,

I have a lightweight .30-06 that kicks more than my 7mm RM but I'd use either out to 600 yards. The 155g/3085fps Federal Terminal Ascent loads I've worked up for the 7mm RM deliver 2000fps and 1500fpe past 875 yards at 7000 feet altitude. At my personal limit of 600 yards, it delivers 2378fps and 1946fps. As things stand now, that will be my primary elk load for this fall. My stainless .280 Rem, using the same bullet at 2901fps, delivers 2220fps/1698fpe at 600 yards and is slated as my foul weather/backup rifle. Picked up a Remington M700 in 7mm RM at Walmart a few months back for a SIL - $375 and tax.. He will be using it as his primary elk rifle this fall, probably with Barnes TTSX or LRX handloads..

Although I've killed more elk with my 7mm RM than all my others combined, my .300WM and .338WM have worked equally well. (Can't honestly say "better".) Various ,30-06 rifles have worked just fine, too. Unless you roll your own ammo, I'd stay away form a 325 WSM due to very limited options and high prices for factory ammo. (Midwayusa,com lists 5 options starting at $57 a box. I'd get a .30-06 first.)

Daughter #1 is the only one that hunts elk. This year she will be carrying a Remington M700 chambered for .270 Winchester and loaded with a Nosler 150g ABLR to 2910fps. More than adequate for 600 yard shots.

When looking at rifles, compare the weight. Although my stainless/synthetic .30-06 kicks more than my blue/walnut 7mm RM, its lighter weight makes it an easy carry in the mountains. Same with my stainless/synthetic .280 Rem. The weight adds up over the course of a day's hiking.

Good luck on your hunt!


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I watched some Fresh Tracks on Amazon TV this week and never fail to be impressed by Randy’s ability to find & get shots at public land elk in some well pressured areas. Twice in the episodes I watched he passes at distances he can shoot because of difficult angles for his 308 to penetrate vitals or hit the target with 100% certainty. It resulted in tag soup on one of the hunts.

While I will never be the complete hunter that Randy is it reinforced my choices to be a more efficient killer of elk in those situations. I carry a 300 Weatherby these days loaded with 180 grain Barnes TTSX Running just under 3200Fps that allows me to take almost any angle & reach the vitals. We practice from field rests to 800 yards & the Z800 reticle matches my trajectory all the way out. Randy hunts in several states & missing one opportunity doesn’t leave his freezer empty. I get one public land hunt per year & I want it to produce steaks & burger even if I only get one challenging opportunity. So for all the 6mm, 270 &308 shooters who are content to wait for that perfect broadside - I salute you. I’m not prepared to let my choice of rifle chambering limit me. If I see an elk within range I want to kill it every time there is a clear route to the vitals. Closer in a neck shot is just fine as well. The extra power doesn’t always make a difference but it’s nice to have when it is needed.

The 35 whelen is a great choice with a big bullet and for a competent shooter good conditions elk are in big trouble at 400 yards. While everyone would rather have easily makeable shots I’d Still feel a little limited hunting cross canyon in open country.

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You do have an elk gun in the 35 Whelen. A good viable 300 yard gun that will slay any elk that ever walked the earth. Now if you're itching for a new gun than a 300 Win or clone of same or a 338 win will serve you well.


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The .35 Whelen still has plenty of gas out to 400 yards if you can shoot.


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Originally Posted by CreekWarrior
Hilarious! Cripes what a funny group of authoritarian piss-ants. Brad was outed over a decade ago as a poseur- hunting on a private ranch and passing it off as something it wasn’t. Hence, one of the reasons Stick pinned the “he works at Dairy Queen wearing a DQ hat” on him way back then. Five foot nothing and all mouth…

My point was that more than a decade ago, this site slipped from having any value and meaning to a bunch of do-nothing idiots, flappin’ their gums, and pissin’ at each other about who’s the bigger more knowledgable bad butt. They’ve now progressed to who not only has BTDT, but now, who has actually done it all! All while giving worthless opinions that somehow, through miraculous spiritual powers, calibers like the 7-08 are the equivalent of the much larger and scary “magnum” calibers like a 338Winny! With a couple of shots across a pasture at calm elk and one great divine proclamation they revealed to the masses “it’s all about the bullet”! “Yeah verily”, they pronounced!

And to throw in their extra measure of worthless attitude, additional smirks and insults are added for good effect like, “the magnum crowd has little or no experience killing anything” or “there are those who actually hunt and kill elk with certain cartridges and those who read about killing elk in a magazine”. Talk about unfounded arrogance. When you give this “hard earned” advice, you all should be truthful and give new shooters an idea of where your vast wealth of experience comes from, I suggest you add a caveat to all your statements like;

- ….but I shoot across Montana pastures at elk feeding at the haystack….YMMV.
- ….”my outfitter” guarantees an elk kill and I prefer his Outers window mounted rest.
- ….our lease in Texas in managed for trophy buck production and the blinds are air conditioned.

Physics can’t be denied but please keep believing in your world that physics is somehow different. And your experience is actually elk hunting.

“It’s not what works when everything goes well that matter’s but rather, what works when things go wrong”, is still a profound statement in the real world. I’ve had a few rodeo’s and walked into so many more where someone made a poor decision using something marginal for killing an elk. The reality is, so few here actually know very little about anything complex as ballistic wound channels, or at least enough to make an informed opinion that clearly shows the 7-08 is the equivalent killer as any magnum. But they proudly give their astounding advice, post their pictures, find articles that support their silly views and then deem everyone else is below them.

Don’t try to piss up my back and then tell me that it’s raining based upon your worthless experience. But hey, it is the internet.

Soon, some of ya will be able to slip out of your Spider Man onesies and get back to mowing lawns…..or back to making ice creams cones.

Regards

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Always love these threads--partly because they almost never mention how quickly elk die when shot in the right place with a broadhead.

Or run off and die in the next zip code when hit poorly.....


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Colonel Townsend Whelen had Mr. Howe make him the 35 Whelen for just such a hunt. Enough said.


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Any of the rifles listed will work fine.

Choose a good bullet and practice shooting.

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Originally Posted by CreekWarrior

Shooting a cow out of your outfitters pasture, while laying the rifle over your truck mounted window rest isn't hunting...….but you hero's keep flapping your gums! You're great entertainment!

Just make sure you wear a Dairy Queen hat while doing it so you can be like your pipsqueak 24hr resident elk hero.

Laughing at you......


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Originally Posted by WAM
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Always love these threads--partly because they almost never mention how quickly elk die when shot in the right place with a broadhead.

Or run off and die in the next zip code when hit poorly.....



My hunting buddy of 20+ years ave up archery hunting after "arrowing" three deer in WI. Did not recover any.


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Having hiked 121 miles in 3 weeks in CO this summer, much of it uphill, my priority would be weight. I have a Christensen Arms Ridgeline in 7mmRM, that would be my choice. I also have a Win 70 with a 24" Shilen barrel in 7mmRM but it's much heavier, the CA would get the nod for me.

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