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If you can afford the trip’s cost you can easily afford to expand your bullet selection. Get some TTSX’s.



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Originally Posted by RinB

If you can afford the trip’s cost you can easily afford to expand your bullet selection. Get some TTSX’s.




OK here we go
Trophy list is Impala, Warthog, Blue W/B, Plains Zebra, Kudu, Eland

Rifle is .300 Weatherby

All else equal, velocity, accuracy etc. Swift A-Frame or Nosler Accubond?

No Barnes, Woodleigh, etc etc comments please. I have these two bullets on hand and the rifle likes them,
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The AF’s are the better of the two but as Mule Deer wrote, avoid shooting into an eland‘s shoulder. The knuckle of the front leg is very tough as well. I wouldn’t use the Accubond.

I would rather have a .30 168 TTSX @ 2850 than anything you mention. Remember, if you hit it you pay for it regardless of the outcome. My experience is that the LR guys decide to shoot within 250 yards or so when faced with this financial reality.


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Oh, by the way, I have only been on around 22-25 trips like you are planning.

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200gr Swift-A-Frame with H-4831/H-1000 will be a temp stable plenty.


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I'd take MD's advice when it comes to Eland. When it was Eland time I switched rifles to the H&H & 270 gr. AF.


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Originally Posted by 458Win
They are both good bullets. Load and take both, make up your own mind and report the results back here.



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They are both good bullets. Load and take both, make up your own mind and report the results back here.



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I have used a 200 grain Swift A-Frame with good effect in a .300 Win Mag in both Africa and Argentina. These were loaded to just over 2800 fps in Remington Premier Grade Safari ammunition, unfortunately no longer in print.

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I’ve never used either of those exact bullets but have used ( or seen used) a considerable number of .308 168 and 180TSX and 8mm 200 TSX on all sorts of game in Africa, including big bull eland. My dad shot a bull with 180 tsx out of his 300 Weatherby and I shot a bull with 8 rem mag with a 200tsx at about 45 yards. Both shoulder shots and both bulls were down very quickly. Bullets looked like advertising pix.

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My first African safari was to Namibia, for Kudu, Gemsbok, Hartmann's Mtn. Zebra, and Warthog. I took a Wby. Mk.V. .300 Mag. with 200 gr. Swift A-Frames. The combo performed perfectly.


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I used the accubond for my first plains game safari. Took ten animals. The accubond worked perfect. I was using a 375 H& H , 260 grain. Took a big kudu and a couple.zebra, perfect mushroom on the few I was able to recover.

My ph in Namibia just raved about the aframes as well. That is the bullet I have chosen for.my 458 if I can ever get back over there.

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I have never seen an Accubond make two holes...


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Originally Posted by machinistbutler
I used the accubond for my first plains game safari. Took ten animals. The accubond worked perfect. I was using a 375 H& H , 260 grain. Took a big kudu and a couple.zebra, perfect mushroom on the few I was able to recover.

My ph in Namibia just raved about the aframes as well. That is the bullet I have chosen for.my 458 if I can ever get back over there.


Good to know that they worked well for you. My 375 shoots the 260 gr Accubond very well, and I've used it on three black bear now, from 15 feet to just over 300 yards. I've been impressed with the accuracy and performance on game, but haven't yet hunted Africa.

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I've never seen the accuracy that others talk about with accubonds, though they have killed well for me.

If your shots aren't too long, which they normally aren't in Africa, you should be just fine with either choice.



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Originally Posted by Ready
Neither.


Curious about which bullet you would recommend for the PG cited?


None. I have found not reccommending bullets saves many a friendship.
Since you are asking, however, personally, were I to plan for such an enviable trip - I hear eland brisket of the grill is to die for - I would choose a 180 gr. Barnes TTSX.


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Use those bullets for hyenas, baboons, and jackals just to get rid of them

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This sort of died when we went on the 11.5 month airline delay for the trip. At the moment 200gr A-Frame at 3022 average and excellent groups, honest 1/2", is the planned load. Do have time to experiment with others now but not sure there is any reason to.
Very sincere thanx to everyone that was in the conversation. I hope everyone is planning on making up for 2020 in '21. I sure am.
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Wise choice on both calls even if the delay wasn't a choice. Have a great trip and I wouldn't worry about any other loads, unless just to while away the time. I would give the 200 LRX consideration too.


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