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Bowline would be the easy knot I know well. Following some of the links others have provided, I found this interesting knot. If nothing else, just something to provide that hasn't yet been mentioned.

Cat's Paw
https://www.101knots.com/cats-paw-knot.html

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Originally Posted by shaman
I used to be a bit of a knot junky. I had a knot for every occasion, but that was decades ago. If you don't use them, you lose them.

I've got a need. I know somebody here will know the knot.


I've got a winch on my DRV(Deer Recovery Vehicle). It does a great job of pulling deer out. All you need to do is get a rope around the front half of the deer and then hit the button. We have some fairly steep ravines. It's great for getting the deer up.

My problem is as follows: The steel winch cable only goes so far. From there we throw a rope down, usually 100 yards covers the remaining distance. I'm looking for a good knot to attach the rope to the snap hook of the cable. The knot needs to be easily removed.

Thanks in advance.

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I like that thimble/bowline idea. I'll get a couple for the pack.

Thanks y'all.

The trick I've found out is to be the one tying the knots. None of my hunting partners are knot savvy.

I'm also been the family granny knot untier for 50 years. Everyone takes an unassailable knot and just throws it at me. If I'm not around, they cut it out.



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If its 3 strand line you can splice an eye in it pretty easily. I've done a lot and if I can do it anyone can. All you would need is an eye spliced on both end and you would never have to undo another knot ever again. Run one end around the critter and through the other eye. Hook the eye through your winch hook and there is no way it could ever get cinched up. In a pinch I would go with bowlines.

The hardest part in splicing an eye in a line is getting it started correctly. After that its over/under while rotating around. Easy peasy.

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Originally Posted by mirage243
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Bowline is pissweak, clove hitches what you need


You must knot even know what a bowline is.

My thought also. I always understood that a bowline (properly tied with the bight against the tail end) is one of the strongest knots available at about 75% of line strength.


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Originally Posted by FishinHank
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Originally Posted by shaman
I like that thimble/bowline idea. I'll get a couple for the pack.

Thanks y'all.

The trick I've found out is to be the one tying the knots. None of my hunting partners are knot savvy.

I'm also been the family granny knot untier for 50 years. Everyone takes an unassailable knot and just throws it at me. If I'm not around, they cut it out.



If you can't tie a knot, tie alot!

If you don’t know any, tie many!

While you're at it join the girl scouts! Haha

If its 3 strand line you can splice an eye in it pretty easily. I've done a lot and if I can do it anyone can. All you would need is an eye spliced on both end and you would never have to undo another knot ever again. Run one end around the critter and through the other eye. Hook the eye through your winch hook and there is no way it could ever get cinched up. In a pinch I would go with bowlines.

The hardest part in splicing an eye in a line is getting it started correctly. After that its over/under while rotating around. Easy peasy.

We used to do a lot of work with 5/8 twisted Manila. I was the guy that got to braid the loops into the tails or simply back braid them to prevent fraying. Sometimes it was handy to braid the two ends together to form a continuous circle. Yes, it is pretty easy.

These days I prefer to work with double braid nylon. (Yacht line)

I have purchased a fid in various sizes to use to feed the rope back inside the braid. I use this technique to attach bull snaps to horse leads, etc, etc.

A local rigging supply store sells the line in various sizes and the fid to match each.


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Originally Posted by FishinHank
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Bama_Rick
Originally Posted by shaman
I like that thimble/bowline idea. I'll get a couple for the pack.

Thanks y'all.

The trick I've found out is to be the one tying the knots. None of my hunting partners are knot savvy.

I'm also been the family granny knot untier for 50 years. Everyone takes an unassailable knot and just throws it at me. If I'm not around, they cut it out.



If you can't tie a knot, tie alot!

If you don’t know any, tie many!

While you're at it join the girl scouts! Haha

Ease up ya over achiever! I can tie a few knots. I was just playing along with Bama_Rick!

Actually find it funny watching some people create a bird's nest to secure something w a rope. Usually unsuccessfully.


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bow line is easy to make and release, holds great too, it's my most common knot.


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Originally Posted by Pahntr760
Running bow line knot on both ends.

Yup, and maybe a slack block.


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How strong is a clove hitch?
The clove hitch is the weakest of the common climbing knots, at 60 to 65 percent. Note, however, that modern climbing ropes have a tensile strength of upwards of 6,000 pounds, so even a clove hitch would fail at something like 3,600 poun


The strongest tie-in knot you can use is the figure-eight follow-through, which, when pull-tested, breaks at 75 to 80 percent of the rope's full strength. The bowline is a slightly weaker knot, at 70 to 75 percent, followed by the double fisherman's at 65 to 70 percent.Sep 14, 2010

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I googled out of curiosity - mostly I use half hitches or bowlines, depending on use. Often truckers hitch for tying down canoe on top of truck or car.

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Bowline 60%
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Figure 8 or a 9

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Figure 8 or a 9

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
I've broken ropes tied with a bowline but never at the knot.
Yes Sir, I have seen large horses yard back/ fly back on it and it is the rope that fractures.
Why not backsplice an eye on a strand rope? Properly done, it will not fracture and is permanent. Put it on both ends.

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I think we should make this 5 or 10 times more complicated than dragging a deer out of a ditch needs to be. Currently, I estimate that we have only made it about 2.7 times more complicated.

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Reminds me of the the college kids our maintenance supervisor in San Marcos Tx caught early one morning with a hot-wired pneumatic roller tryin to pull their stuck car outta the muddy ditch with a set of jumper cables (with multiple granny knots tied at the breaks).


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Unless a guy is a serious fisherman 3 knots are essential for getting through life. Add the truckers hitch for good reason even though it's just a farmation of simpler hitches. And I saw that farmation spelling error. It was an error, but an accurate one.

The 3 essentials are

The bowline. Easy to tie. Easy to untie. Strong enough to do most tasks.

The clove hitch. Easy to tie. Easy to untie. Superb in strength, but I would only use it to tie to a fixed object.
This is the hitch most used to tie off safety lines for those who work at elevation in construction and industry. Replaced in today's world by the safety cleat.
Strong and simple, but still needs an additional half hitch to keep it from "rolling out" if used for a safety line or if the angle of pull can change.

The tent hitch. Strong. Simple. Easy to tie and untie. And adjustable without unintentional slippage.
Adjust this hitch for tension and it will remain tight until either you release it, the rope stretches, or an end it's tied off to moves.
If you find it looser than you want it, you can retention it in about a half second without retying.


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