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I'm trying to put together a superlight mule deer rig and I find myself vacillating between the 6mm Creed and 6.5 Creedmore. Anyone faced a similar dilemna and if so how did you resolve it.
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What’s the argument that favors the 6?
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The 6mm will shoot a little faster and flatter, I have killed a bunch of deer and bigger critters a fast twist 6 and 105 gr and 108 gr bullets,
There's no fly's on the 6.5, what ever you think you need, pick a rifle you like that fits you and go kill stuff. Rio7
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I keep trying to type a suitable answer, but the splitting of all these hairs is making my eyes hurt, and my Loonyism alarm keeps going off.
I faced a suitable dilemma earlier this year when picking out a rifle for my youngest daughter. I went 6.5. I have my reasons, including the possibility that the rifle will be used for elk, and 6.5 bullets get a lot heavier than 6mm do.
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Yeah. I'm probably overthinking it.
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I would choose based on the slickest bullets. 6.5CM with 147s is worthy of building a rifle around.
That is coming from a 1-8” twist 243 guy who shot out his barrel shooting mostly 105s. It’s off to become a 6.5CM throated specifically for 147s.
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Won't argue with you on the 147 ELD-M, but the 6.5 Creed's i have shot seem to like lighter bullets. YMMV. Rio7
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I would choose based on the slickest bullets. 6.5CM with 147s is worthy of building a rifle around.
That is coming from a 1-8” twist 243 guy who shot out his barrel shooting mostly 105s. It’s off to become a 6.5CM throated specifically for 147s.
The 105's do good things, particularly on deer and such. They are perhaps marginal for bigger animals in typical hunting conditions. I think that with the fast-twist factory 6 Creedmoor now being a thing, there will eventually be more long and heavy bullets to shoot in it. But the 8-twist is maxed out already. The next 6 I put together will likely be built on a 1:7. There are so many more long, slick bullet options in 6.5 right now, with higher sectional densities to boot. Just better for hunting in my opinion.
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Using the same contour for each, the 6.5 will be a tad lighter.... Then there is the heavier bullet of the 6.5.....
Flip a coin.....grin
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Tomato, tomatoe....
If it's a dedicated deer rig can't go wrong with either. Components are equal. Bullets and ballistics are equalish. 6.5 has more ass and will be a skootch lighter due to bore size all equal.
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I have a 6, but if I were where bigger deer were commonly found, along with maybe elk, I'd go 6.5, or 7-08. Barrel life is probably considerably longer too.
Actually, one of my recent hankerings has been for an 8" 7-08, which I guess means an unobtainable Fieldcraft. Unobtainable is good for an old man who already has too many rifles.
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I would choose based on the slickest bullets. 6.5CM with 147s is worthy of building a rifle around.
That is coming from a 1-8” twist 243 guy who shot out his barrel shooting mostly 105s. It’s off to become a 6.5CM throated specifically for 147s.
The 105's do good things, particularly on deer and such. They are perhaps marginal for bigger animals in typical hunting conditions. I think that with the fast-twist factory 6 Creedmoor now being a thing, there will eventually be more long and heavy bullets to shoot in it. But the 8-twist is maxed out already. The next 6 I put together will likely be built on a 1:7. There are so many more long, slick bullet options in 6.5 right now, with higher sectional densities to boot. Just better for hunting in my opinion. Totally agree. 1-7” twist for sure.
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Recoil - advantage 6. Most else - advantage 6.5. I would probably go 6.5. If you want ease and economics, look for a used fieldcraft in either. Both are stellar. Or go balls to the wall for three times the price, maybe 8 oz less, and probably near equal performance Edit - nm on the Barrett; I forgot you already had the parts coming.
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I have a 6, but if I were where bigger deer were commonly found, along with maybe elk, I'd go 6.5, or 7-08. Barrel life is probably considerably longer too.
Actually, one of my recent hankerings has been for an 8" 7-08, which I guess means an unobtainable Fieldcraft. Unobtainable is good for an old man who already has too many rifles. Good post pappy.
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What will you be shooting with it other than deer? If predaters & varmints the 6, if elk or larger the 6.5. Their are more VLD type hunting bullets in the 6.5 caliber but not many over 103-5 grains except the Berger 115 in 6mm. But I would lean towards the 6 shorter barrel life and all, and knowing the 6.5 is the practical choice. If we were practical we would all hunt with a 223, a 30-06 and a 12gauge and not be asking these questions.
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Being Impractical Matters Either work, but if a bad shot angle presents, I'd choose any standard 6.5 hunting bullet, over a high BC match 6mm. JS. The 95 BT does great things near and far......but a 6.5 might be a better mousetrap, without making one pause on shot angle or distance. Soft bullets on closer shots may limit reaching vitals from all angles, in the 6.
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Either will work well and have a handful of both. I’m a fan of 6 creed with 105/108s and deer sized animals.
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If speed is your thing then go with the 6.
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If speed is your thing then go with the 6. Same bullet weight, same case, the bigger bore will shoot faster. I think your logic is backward there.
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If speed is your thing then go with the 6. Same bullet weight, same case, the bigger bore will shoot faster. I think your logic is backward there. Same weight bullet in a 6 vs 6.5 ?
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