358- So glad you found some help. PTSD is rough, and its no joke, but its something that can be "treated". So glad you "put the brakes on" an unwanted downward spiral. That's the first step for sure, and you made it! Rule #5 for you pard! God Bless, Jim
“The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation, and go to the grave with the song still in them.”
Henry David Thoreau
358 wsm not 100% sure why the above Thoreau observation came to mind when I was thinking about your posts.... but it did so I just put it up there. I'm very glad to hear you are following your doctor's advice and even more glad you plan to interview 3 providers.... please trust you gut on which one can offer the best match for you. PTSD is treatable picking the right provider to help walk you through the process is key IMO...
358wsm; Good morning to you sir, if you're still up north then it's reasonably early for both of us. Since you've stated where you're at, I'll just say that I trust all is as well as can be perhaps?
We had owls outside the open window at 4:30 and a retired, geriatric cat outside the bedroom door about then too, so since I can't sleep much anyways I'm up and now hear the neighbor's rooster across the gully is warming up for the morning session as well.
What you've asked is not a simple thing for some of us and since we're all the sum of our parts it's tough to begin to advise anyone else on matters such as these, you know?
Throughout the first half of my life, I had a fairly quick temper and wasn't shy about showing it. Perhaps being less than 5'6" means that I've got small man syndrome hard wired into me? Like as not it didn't help...
As you know, I profess to be a Christian, but honestly have never prayed for any of the traditional spiritual gifts other than wisdom on several occasions. I consider my faith in a being that is greater than myself and in control of my life to be absolutely part of the process, but as I've often said as well, I am not here to convert anyone to the way I believe. I've got my hands full enough trying to keep between the ditches, as I suspect is the case with others as well.
That said then, one of my lifelong goals had been to develop into an adequately competent horseman, so when we bought the place we're still calling home, put in the fencing, horse and hay shelter and then found a couple horses, the real work began - on me.
What I became acutely aware of is that horses don't understand English whatsoever - they only read body language.
If I wanted to convince them to do things that they didn't want to - say standing in proximity of gun fire or packing a bloody, dismembered deer, then I absolutely had to both develop the patience of Job and exude only a calm outer demeanor if I wanted to get anywhere at all with them.
So then I began to learn to control my body language, which - for me - I couldn't do without controlling my emotions. I've never been anything less than transparent - likely nowhere to hide it on a small guy I figure - so I couldn't fake not being angry. I had to not be angry.
After a few weeks of daily practice - didn't matter how idiotic the day at the cabinet shop had been, I had to put it all behind me when I'd walk into the horse pen. Through that daily, intentional practice of controlling my emotions and not letting them control my body language, I began to make headway with the ponies.
One day after convincing our gelding to do something he considered particularly heinous previously, it came to me in an epiphany that if I could control my emotions for 4 legged creatures, I could do it for 2 leggeds as well, you know?
Anyways on the horse thing, I wasn't totally successful with the gelding in all ways, but the mare got to the point where I could skin out a buck, drape the fresh hide over her back, drag it up onto her neck and head like a shawl and feed her apples from my bloody hands and she'd just ask for another apple! Success!!!
While my fellow man disappoints me on a daily, continual basis, I am not angry with them any longer - but - and here's the thing, it takes daily and sometimes hourly within the day conscious effort. It should be noted too, that I don't mind spending the energy on said effort as I prefer living with the results.
Hopefully that made some sense and was at least useful as comic relief if nothing else!
All the best to you in this endeavor, I believe it's a worthwhile one to try to address.
Dwayne
That's wisdom right here
Carry what you’re willing to fight with - Mackay Sagebrush
358wsm; Good morning to you sir, if you're still up north then it's reasonably early for both of us. Since you've stated where you're at, I'll just say that I trust all is as well as can be perhaps?
We had owls outside the open window at 4:30 and a retired, geriatric cat outside the bedroom door about then too, so since I can't sleep much anyways I'm up and now hear the neighbor's rooster across the gully is warming up for the morning session as well.
What you've asked is not a simple thing for some of us and since we're all the sum of our parts it's tough to begin to advise anyone else on matters such as these, you know?
Throughout the first half of my life, I had a fairly quick temper and wasn't shy about showing it. Perhaps being less than 5'6" means that I've got small man syndrome hard wired into me? Like as not it didn't help...
As you know, I profess to be a Christian, but honestly have never prayed for any of the traditional spiritual gifts other than wisdom on several occasions. I consider my faith in a being that is greater than myself and in control of my life to be absolutely part of the process, but as I've often said as well, I am not here to convert anyone to the way I believe. I've got my hands full enough trying to keep between the ditches, as I suspect is the case with others as well.
That said then, one of my lifelong goals had been to develop into an adequately competent horseman, so when we bought the place we're still calling home, put in the fencing, horse and hay shelter and then found a couple horses, the real work began - on me.
What I became acutely aware of is that horses don't understand English whatsoever - they only read body language.
If I wanted to convince them to do things that they didn't want to - say standing in proximity of gun fire or packing a bloody, dismembered deer, then I absolutely had to both develop the patience of Job and exude only a calm outer demeanor if I wanted to get anywhere at all with them.
So then I began to learn to control my body language, which - for me - I couldn't do without controlling my emotions. I've never been anything less than transparent - likely nowhere to hide it on a small guy I figure - so I couldn't fake not being angry. I had to not be angry.
After a few weeks of daily practice - didn't matter how idiotic the day at the cabinet shop had been, I had to put it all behind me when I'd walk into the horse pen. Through that daily, intentional practice of controlling my emotions and not letting them control my body language, I began to make headway with the ponies.
One day after convincing our gelding to do something he considered particularly heinous previously, it came to me in an epiphany that if I could control my emotions for 4 legged creatures, I could do it for 2 leggeds as well, you know?
Anyways on the horse thing, I wasn't totally successful with the gelding in all ways, but the mare got to the point where I could skin out a buck, drape the fresh hide over her back, drag it up onto her neck and head like a shawl and feed her apples from my bloody hands and she'd just ask for another apple! Success!!!
While my fellow man disappoints me on a daily, continual basis, I am not angry with them any longer - but - and here's the thing, it takes daily and sometimes hourly within the day conscious effort. It should be noted too, that I don't mind spending the energy on said effort as I prefer living with the results.
Hopefully that made some sense and was at least useful as comic relief if nothing else!
All the best to you in this endeavor, I believe it's a worthwhile one to try to address.
Dwayne
That's wisdom right here
He's seldom wrong and a better man than me on many levels.
That said we are what we are and all too often we notice the things we don't like, or that are similar, in another and throw out the other 95%.
Not a good way to roll. I can't think of anyone on the Fire that I wouldn't pull out of a ditch.
358wsm; Good morning to you sir, if you're still up north then it's reasonably early for both of us. Since you've stated where you're at, I'll just say that I trust all is as well as can be perhaps?
We had owls outside the open window at 4:30 and a retired, geriatric cat outside the bedroom door about then too, so since I can't sleep much anyways I'm up and now hear the neighbor's rooster across the gully is warming up for the morning session as well.
What you've asked is not a simple thing for some of us and since we're all the sum of our parts it's tough to begin to advise anyone else on matters such as these, you know?
Throughout the first half of my life, I had a fairly quick temper and wasn't shy about showing it. Perhaps being less than 5'6" means that I've got small man syndrome hard wired into me? Like as not it didn't help...
As you know, I profess to be a Christian, but honestly have never prayed for any of the traditional spiritual gifts other than wisdom on several occasions. I consider my faith in a being that is greater than myself and in control of my life to be absolutely part of the process, but as I've often said as well, I am not here to convert anyone to the way I believe. I've got my hands full enough trying to keep between the ditches, as I suspect is the case with others as well.
That said then, one of my lifelong goals had been to develop into an adequately competent horseman, so when we bought the place we're still calling home, put in the fencing, horse and hay shelter and then found a couple horses, the real work began - on me.
What I became acutely aware of is that horses don't understand English whatsoever - they only read body language.
If I wanted to convince them to do things that they didn't want to - say standing in proximity of gun fire or packing a bloody, dismembered deer, then I absolutely had to both develop the patience of Job and exude only a calm outer demeanor if I wanted to get anywhere at all with them.
So then I began to learn to control my body language, which - for me - I couldn't do without controlling my emotions. I've never been anything less than transparent - likely nowhere to hide it on a small guy I figure - so I couldn't fake not being angry. I had to not be angry.
After a few weeks of daily practice - didn't matter how idiotic the day at the cabinet shop had been, I had to put it all behind me when I'd walk into the horse pen. Through that daily, intentional practice of controlling my emotions and not letting them control my body language, I began to make headway with the ponies.
One day after convincing our gelding to do something he considered particularly heinous previously, it came to me in an epiphany that if I could control my emotions for 4 legged creatures, I could do it for 2 leggeds as well, you know?
Anyways on the horse thing, I wasn't totally successful with the gelding in all ways, but the mare got to the point where I could skin out a buck, drape the fresh hide over her back, drag it up onto her neck and head like a shawl and feed her apples from my bloody hands and she'd just ask for another apple! Success!!!
While my fellow man disappoints me on a daily, continual basis, I am not angry with them any longer - but - and here's the thing, it takes daily and sometimes hourly within the day conscious effort. It should be noted too, that I don't mind spending the energy on said effort as I prefer living with the results.
Hopefully that made some sense and was at least useful as comic relief if nothing else!
All the best to you in this endeavor, I believe it's a worthwhile one to try to address.
Dwayne
That's wisdom right here
He's seldom wrong and a better man than me on many levels.
That said we are what we are and all too often we notice the things we don't like, or that are similar, in another and throw out the other 95%.
Not a good way to roll. I can't think of anyone on the Fire that I wouldn't pull out of a ditch.
Not the Liberal Socialist Democrats on here by far. JMO.... Everyone else no matter what...... But if they are in the mud. They can hook up that side. Lol!!! Just saying.......
358wsm; Good morning to you sir, if you're still up north then it's reasonably early for both of us. Since you've stated where you're at, I'll just say that I trust all is as well as can be perhaps?
We had owls outside the open window at 4:30 and a retired, geriatric cat outside the bedroom door about then too, so since I can't sleep much anyways I'm up and now hear the neighbor's rooster across the gully is warming up for the morning session as well.
What you've asked is not a simple thing for some of us and since we're all the sum of our parts it's tough to begin to advise anyone else on matters such as these, you know?
Throughout the first half of my life, I had a fairly quick temper and wasn't shy about showing it. Perhaps being less than 5'6" means that I've got small man syndrome hard wired into me? Like as not it didn't help...
As you know, I profess to be a Christian, but honestly have never prayed for any of the traditional spiritual gifts other than wisdom on several occasions. I consider my faith in a being that is greater than myself and in control of my life to be absolutely part of the process, but as I've often said as well, I am not here to convert anyone to the way I believe. I've got my hands full enough trying to keep between the ditches, as I suspect is the case with others as well.
That said then, one of my lifelong goals had been to develop into an adequately competent horseman, so when we bought the place we're still calling home, put in the fencing, horse and hay shelter and then found a couple horses, the real work began - on me.
What I became acutely aware of is that horses don't understand English whatsoever - they only read body language.
If I wanted to convince them to do things that they didn't want to - say standing in proximity of gun fire or packing a bloody, dismembered deer, then I absolutely had to both develop the patience of Job and exude only a calm outer demeanor if I wanted to get anywhere at all with them.
So then I began to learn to control my body language, which - for me - I couldn't do without controlling my emotions. I've never been anything less than transparent - likely nowhere to hide it on a small guy I figure - so I couldn't fake not being angry. I had to not be angry.
After a few weeks of daily practice - didn't matter how idiotic the day at the cabinet shop had been, I had to put it all behind me when I'd walk into the horse pen. Through that daily, intentional practice of controlling my emotions and not letting them control my body language, I began to make headway with the ponies.
One day after convincing our gelding to do something he considered particularly heinous previously, it came to me in an epiphany that if I could control my emotions for 4 legged creatures, I could do it for 2 leggeds as well, you know?
Anyways on the horse thing, I wasn't totally successful with the gelding in all ways, but the mare got to the point where I could skin out a buck, drape the fresh hide over her back, drag it up onto her neck and head like a shawl and feed her apples from my bloody hands and she'd just ask for another apple! Success!!!
While my fellow man disappoints me on a daily, continual basis, I am not angry with them any longer - but - and here's the thing, it takes daily and sometimes hourly within the day conscious effort. It should be noted too, that I don't mind spending the energy on said effort as I prefer living with the results.
Hopefully that made some sense and was at least useful as comic relief if nothing else!
All the best to you in this endeavor, I believe it's a worthwhile one to try to address.
Dwayne
That's wisdom right here
Yea, There sure is.
But he had a purpose which helped him focus his mind, and it took some time.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
358wsm; Good morning to you sir, if you're still up north then it's reasonably early for both of us. Since you've stated where you're at, I'll just say that I trust all is as well as can be perhaps?
We had owls outside the open window at 4:30 and a retired, geriatric cat outside the bedroom door about then too, so since I can't sleep much anyways I'm up and now hear the neighbor's rooster across the gully is warming up for the morning session as well.
What you've asked is not a simple thing for some of us and since we're all the sum of our parts it's tough to begin to advise anyone else on matters such as these, you know?
Throughout the first half of my life, I had a fairly quick temper and wasn't shy about showing it. Perhaps being less than 5'6" means that I've got small man syndrome hard wired into me? Like as not it didn't help...
As you know, I profess to be a Christian, but honestly have never prayed for any of the traditional spiritual gifts other than wisdom on several occasions. I consider my faith in a being that is greater than myself and in control of my life to be absolutely part of the process, but as I've often said as well, I am not here to convert anyone to the way I believe. I've got my hands full enough trying to keep between the ditches, as I suspect is the case with others as well.
That said then, one of my lifelong goals had been to develop into an adequately competent horseman, so when we bought the place we're still calling home, put in the fencing, horse and hay shelter and then found a couple horses, the real work began - on me.
What I became acutely aware of is that horses don't understand English whatsoever - they only read body language.
If I wanted to convince them to do things that they didn't want to - say standing in proximity of gun fire or packing a bloody, dismembered deer, then I absolutely had to both develop the patience of Job and exude only a calm outer demeanor if I wanted to get anywhere at all with them.
So then I began to learn to control my body language, which - for me - I couldn't do without controlling my emotions. I've never been anything less than transparent - likely nowhere to hide it on a small guy I figure - so I couldn't fake not being angry. I had to not be angry.
After a few weeks of daily practice - didn't matter how idiotic the day at the cabinet shop had been, I had to put it all behind me when I'd walk into the horse pen. Through that daily, intentional practice of controlling my emotions and not letting them control my body language, I began to make headway with the ponies.
One day after convincing our gelding to do something he considered particularly heinous previously, it came to me in an epiphany that if I could control my emotions for 4 legged creatures, I could do it for 2 leggeds as well, you know?
Anyways on the horse thing, I wasn't totally successful with the gelding in all ways, but the mare got to the point where I could skin out a buck, drape the fresh hide over her back, drag it up onto her neck and head like a shawl and feed her apples from my bloody hands and she'd just ask for another apple! Success!!!
While my fellow man disappoints me on a daily, continual basis, I am not angry with them any longer - but - and here's the thing, it takes daily and sometimes hourly within the day conscious effort. It should be noted too, that I don't mind spending the energy on said effort as I prefer living with the results.
Hopefully that made some sense and was at least useful as comic relief if nothing else!
All the best to you in this endeavor, I believe it's a worthwhile one to try to address.
Dwayne
That's wisdom right here
Yea, There sure is.
But he had a purpose which helped him focus his mind, and it took some time.
antelope sniper; Good afternoon to you sir, I hope the day's as bright and mild down in your part of the world as it is up here today and that this finds you all well.
Thanks once again for the kindness you and some of the other folks have shown me, I do appreciate it and will do my best to deserve them in the future.
I've answered you directly because you absolutely caught my intent with the purpose and/or end goal as well as the fact that it didn't happen overnight.
My good wife of nearly 38 years now calls me a "data miner" in that I'll head down a rabbit hole not only with both feet, but with a pick and shovel truly.
In my research in those pre-inner webs days I read all the Ray Hunt, Pat Parelli, Monte Roberts and Joe Back books I could lay my hands on, as well as a subscription to Western Horseman of course!
Then of course the "interesting part" was trying to put into practice what I thought I'd understood to be the truth and seeing how it lined up with the reality that my mountain horses in the yard were actually going to provide me with, you know?
Anyways sir, I wanted to say that very much for me having an end goal - a purpose as you well termed it - is a necessity to help me keep focused as I strive toward the goal.
Thanks again for the kind words all and my very best wishes to all here as we navigate this trying time in our own way, yet together.
Dont be one of them western people that don’t believe in Jesus. See that a lot on here.
Some of the most devout CF christians don't have temperance or scant amount , whilst non- christians do. Hinduism dates back thousands of years before Jesus and teaches temperance.
The concept of dama in Hinduism is equivalent to temperance. Dama, and Sanskrit derivative words based on it, connote the concepts of self-control and self-restraint.
I think the big draw with Jesus is that folks think if they buddy up to him, he will get angry Big daddy to cool-down and not incinerate them.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
Dont be one of them western people that don’t believe in Jesus. See that a lot on here.
Some of the most devout CF christians don't have temperance or scant amount , whilst non- christians do. Hinduism dates back thousands of years before Jesus and teaches temperance.
The concept of dama in Hinduism is equivalent to temperance. Dama, and Sanskrit derivative words based on it, connote the concepts of self-control and self-restraint.
I think the big draw with Jesus is that folks think if they buddy up to him, he will get angry Big daddy to cool-down and not incinerate them.
You certainly have missed the message. God Bless you,
I have been around bums from a men's shelter. The kind that can work are intelligent and healthy, but have emotional problems. They get angry and vindictive. They blame someone else for their problems.
I have been around rich land developers. They never get in a lawsuit if they can avoid it.
You may think you are successful because you are hard working and high IQ. But more important is you learn from your mistakes and get along with others.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
