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I've decided to pick up a smaller framed 357 with a 3" or 4" barrel. I've had 686's and a few other larger framed S&W's, Ruger's and a Colt or two.
I don't want something as big and heavy as those and have been thinking of a 3" barreled S&W 60, a Ruger SP101 or another option, a Kimber K6S DASA. I can't see me carrying it, but at the same time, all of these are lighter than a 686, GP100 or one of the newer Colt's.
Any ideas from those that have had one or more of these? Something like one of these 66's might work for you. I picked all of these up in the $550-650 range. Don't know if that's possible now. Probably more in the $750-800 range now.
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3" model 66 or an LCRx both great guns I wonder just how miserable those magnums are in the lcrx . . . I've got the 3" LCRx. It bucks with the full house 357 loads, but not painful for me. The grip absorbs a lot of the shock. When I used to shoot a lot of .357 Magnum (back in the 1980s when I was a huge advocate for it as a defensive caliber for concealed carry) out of my FBI-configured Model 65 (three inch bull barrel, round butt frame), I noticed that 158 grain loads were a lot less punishing in recoil vs 125 grain. It never made logical sense to me (you'd think it would be the other way around), but I couldn't deny the obvious. My perception also. I went completely to 158gr for everything except target work. I've noticed the same, even in the 9mm. Heavier bullet feeling a little softer in recoil. Seems I've heard the same regarding the 40SW. Heavier 180s have less perceived recoil. I wonder if the higher velocity load causes a higher velocity recoil, and it is perceived as harder in the hand.
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I had never really thought about that, but after a conversation about the best way to make major power factor I remembered several experiences that reinforce the same thing. 185 grain 45ACP loads and 125 grain .357 loads were the first thoughts. Both noticeably snappier than their heavy counterparts.
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I had never really thought about that, but after a conversation about the best way to make major power factor I remembered several experiences that reinforce the same thing. 185 grain 45ACP loads and 125 grain .357 loads were the first thoughts. Both noticeably snappier than their heavy counterparts. I refuse to shoot a 185 in a 45. 230.. and up. Unless it's a hardcast 200-220. But, If I go hard cast, I usually prefer the heavies, 250-255.
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Thanks for the info on the LCRX, fellas. I may have to pick one up to pair with my Henry model X for the whole new school millennial cowbow vibe 😂
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I've noticed the same, even in the 9mm. Heavier bullet feeling a little softer in recoil.
Seems I've heard the same regarding the 40SW. Heavier 180s have less perceived recoil.
I wonder if the higher velocity load causes a higher velocity recoil, and it is perceived as harder in the hand.
It could just be a perception thing, because the physics don't work out. But in most auto pistol rounds, lighter bullet loads tend to have a great deal more muzzle blast and noise from the increased powder charge. You REALLY notice it in .40...ever shoot a 135gr load? WHOA!
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I've noticed the same, even in the 9mm. Heavier bullet feeling a little softer in recoil.
Seems I've heard the same regarding the 40SW. Heavier 180s have less perceived recoil.
I wonder if the higher velocity load causes a higher velocity recoil, and it is perceived as harder in the hand.
It could just be a perception thing, because the physics don't work out. But in most auto pistol rounds, lighter bullet loads tend to have a great deal more muzzle blast and noise from the increased powder charge. You REALLY notice it in .40...ever shoot a 135gr load? WHOA! No, it's actually the recoil. Physics would seem to be the opposite, but it's real. I much preferred the recoil impulse of 158 grain Magnums vs 125 grain.
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Your argument is with physics, not me. Here’s a recoil calculator, use common published factory load values and see for yourself. http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php
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Recoil velocity is higher with lighter bullets
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Recoil velocity is higher with lighter bullets That might explain the difference in felt recoil.
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Stating a preference, based on repeated experience, isn't reducible to an "argument with physics." There can be factors, grounded in physics, that you're not accounting for.
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I've noticed the same, even in the 9mm. Heavier bullet feeling a little softer in recoil.
Seems I've heard the same regarding the 40SW. Heavier 180s have less perceived recoil.
I wonder if the higher velocity load causes a higher velocity recoil, and it is perceived as harder in the hand.
It could just be a perception thing, because the physics don't work out. But in most auto pistol rounds, lighter bullet loads tend to have a great deal more muzzle blast and noise from the increased powder charge. You REALLY notice it in .40...ever shoot a 135gr load? WHOA! When I was shooting IPSC, I decided to put a compensated barrel on my Delta Elite and try some of those 135s loaded to Major power factor. They were a real hoot, and the comp worked like a champ with those things, but they were as loud as the .38 Supers loaded the same way (IOW, obnoxious as Hell), and when shooting thru a tube or other impedimentia for whatever the match required, the muzzle blast actually moved the tube around enough to slow me down, rather than help me speed up. It was sure fun, though. I had a 2X scope (yeah, a regular pistol scope) on it, and it didn't move the crosshairs much, but those 135s were more nuisance than fun, overall.
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grips make a big difference in both how the revolver feels and how it conceals. The Model 60 and the DAO Model 65 both have three inch barrels. The 65 is a lot more pleasant to shoot with magnum loads, but in a pinch, either is a good choice for social issues.
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Literally every poster on here that has a 3" mod 60 loves it.
Myself included.
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Literally every poster on here that has a 3" mod 60 loves it.
Myself included. I've got one in .38 Special +P with a three inch barrel, but it's scandium/titanium, with a fiber optic front sight. It was meant to be a backpacker's or fisherman's gun. So light, it feels in the hand like a potato chip.
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Oh, wait, I've also got an old school one, polished and blued steel (pinned) barrel and cylinder, polished black aluminum frame, with a three inch barrel and fixed sights. Not sure if I ever shot that one. I don't think so. It's a .38 Special, but not rated for +P. Looks like a new gun.
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Oh, wait, I've also got an old school one, polished and blued steel (pinned) barrel and cylinder, polished black aluminum frame, with a three inch barrel and fixed sights. Not sure if I ever shot that one. I don't think so. It's a .38 Special, but not rated for +P. Looks like a new gun. I always thought the following was a neat little revolver but I never owned one. I did own a short titanium model and it was not an enjoyable shooting experience. https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/archive-model-mp360-0
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Oh, wait, I've also got an old school one, polished and blued steel (pinned) barrel and cylinder, polished black aluminum frame, with a three inch barrel and fixed sights. Not sure if I ever shot that one. I don't think so. It's a .38 Special, but not rated for +P. Looks like a new gun. I always thought the following was a neat little revolver but I never owned one. I did own a short titanium model and it was not an enjoyable shooting experience. https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/archive-model-mp360-0That is a nifty configuration. I used to have one almost exactly like it, but mine looked like a miniaturized L-Frame (full length underlug) with standard adjustable sights, round butt frame. Same dull black finish as the one in your link. I regretted selling that almost as soon as I did it. Probably back in the 1990s.
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Oh, wait, I've also got an old school one, polished and blued steel (pinned) barrel and cylinder, polished black aluminum frame, with a three inch barrel and fixed sights. Not sure if I ever shot that one. I don't think so. It's a .38 Special, but not rated for +P. Looks like a new gun. I've always figured your gun safe(s) would provide a pretty cool and wide assortment of handguns.
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