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Fort McGilvery, Caine's Head, 7.5 miles down beach from Seward. Or you can take water taxi to North Beach, then it's a 2 mile walk. One emplacement covers the North Beach side approach to Seward. Another a couple hundred yards away on the other side covers the South Beach approach.

If my understanding is correct, they started with 155's, then got 6" guns, and a stand-down order the day before the 6's were to be fired... Too bad. That would have been fun!

Wiki has info on it.

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Originally Posted by las
Fort McGilvery, Caine's Head, 7.5 miles down beach from Seward. Or you can take water taxi to North Beach, then it's a 2 mile walk. One emplacement covers the North Beach side approach to Seward. Another a couple hundred yards away on the other side covers the South Beach approach.

If my understanding is correct, they started with 155's, then got 6" guns, and a stand-down order the day before the 6's were to be fired... Too bad. That would have been fun!

Wiki has info on it.

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I know this is an old post but I gather you didn’t see the pictures of 1sgStephen just two posts before yours. Apparently his 200 grain accubond is getting 3000 FPS . I get those velocities with my 200 grain loads also. Lol This post is a response to a comment on page 1 of this thread by mule deer.
Excuse the necropost, but I often comment on old threads.

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Originally Posted by luv2safari
AWWWW...cummon, John smirk


Would Winchester purposely imply it was the short/fat alternative for sales reasons? whistle

Actually, you hit the nail on the head why I sold my one-hole-wonder 338 and got a 325 WSM to replace it. It doesn't hammer me as much as that 338 ( nicknamed it "the Guillotine"), allowing me to use a much lighter rifle these days.

It won't come up to a 338 by any stretch, but it does hit with authority. Were I young again miraculously, I'd still be lugging a 338 Win mag, not the short fat usurper. grin


Truth in advertising — I still remember Winchesters picto-graph showing how the 270 WSM was ballistically superior to the 270 Weatherby..

A friend once had a 338 in that early Browning model, the Stainless Stalker with the narrow butt. It was nice and light — we named it The Flying Wedge. He soon divorced it.

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Again, nothing to do with the original post. But if I had a .325 and liked the gun, there would be no debate about using it. If I felt it was inadequate, would go directly to .375 and there camp happily.

I have a .270 Stainless Stalker, and would not want that rifle chambered in .338.


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I wouldn’t feel undergunned with an accurate .325 and good bullets. That being said, I sold my Montana in .325 because I have a .338wm that is my go to rifle if big critters that want to eat me are on the menu or in the area.

You will be served just fine by the short 8mm but if speed is what you’re after then the .325 might not be your huckleberry.

Whatever you choose I hope you have a great hunt and post pictures when it’s done. 👍


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I don’t own or shoot a 325 WSM but have thought about it a lot. I have owned a 8mm mag and it has more than the .325. IMO the difference of 200 ft per sec makes NO DIFFERENCE ECE! Good Bullet proper placement DO!! Take your .325 shoot well!

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Definitely an old original post.

Personally, I did not buy into the advertising hype that the 325 was "better" than the 338 Winchester.
I did buy into, the 325 is a good cartridge and was usually available in slightly lighter weight over the counter rifles.

A 200 grain, .323 bullet with a sectional density of .274 at 2800 to 2900 fps. Compared to the same constructed .338, 225 grain bullet with a sectional density of .281 at 2800'ish fps. I do not think there will earth tilting differences on game. I concede the advantage difference of .015" bullet diameter and 25 grains extra bullet weight to the .338.

I like the 338 Winchester lots, as well as the 325 WSM. Very doubtful that I will be shooting over 300 yds, so b.c.'s are not ultra important to me with either cartridge. I personally bought a 325 to use instead of various 300 magnums. I did not buy the hype it was "better" than a 300 mag either, just my preference. I prefer the 7mm and 8mm to the .308 magnums for my uses.

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Originally Posted by LoadClear
Question... Is it normal for a guide to require "at least a 300 WM"? The two guides I know would prefer the hunter have a 30-06 that he is comfortable with, rather than a magnum that the hunter can't shoot well. Both prefer at least a 30-06.



I've spoken to guides who's minimum caliber was 338 mag and they really preferred the 375. I have been on 3 grizzly hunts, two with a 35 Whelen and one with a 375 Ruger. Perfectly comfortable carrying either one.

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I have known one Kodiak bear guide who preferred his 270 and had one client on the peninsula who had no problem killing a large boar with his 270. I have personally killed a few large brown bears with the 30-06. Including two charging bears and the legendary Kodiak guides Pinnell &Tallifson recommended the 30-06 in their brochure.

Anything larger and more powerful that those two will work just fine !


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Especially if brand new and freshly bore-sighted! [/sarc]


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Phil, I referenced your reply to an ongoing 325 thread on Accurate Reloading.
Unfounded perhaps, except by pulse rate, I freely admit that in close cover I feel better with my 375’s and 416’s. But, I love using them for moose also.

Edit = those 375’s and 416’s are in the uncool Ruger versions.

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Originally Posted by ldmay375
Phil, I referenced your reply to an ongoing 325 thread on Accurate Reloading.
Unfounded perhaps, except by pulse rate, I freely admit that in close cover I feel better with my 375’s and 416’s. But, I love using them for moose also.

Edit = those 375’s and 416’s are in the uncool Ruger versions.



I agree as well !


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shoot 180gr accubonds out of my 338rum, about 3400fps, recoil is not bad at all.


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I reload the .325 WSM for a couple of hunting buddies and one of them used the .325 WSM with 200 grain Partitions on a huge brown bear in Kamchatka, no problem at all. Might be a load to consider or a Barnes

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I killed one with an 8x57, I'm betting whatever you're shooting is going faster, if that matters.

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I think I have at least 40 once fired Winchester .325wsm nickel plated brass that was shot through my Kimber Montana. If any of you Alaskans could use it I’ll send it up after the holidays. I don’t want anything for it and don’t have any use for it. 👍


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I’ve got some 160 TSX’s in .338 win mag that I’ve been waiting to shoot over the chronograph Santa might be bringing. 😉


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Originally Posted by ldmay375
Definitely an old original post.

Personally, I did not buy into the advertising hype that the 325 was "better" than the 338 Winchester.
I did buy into, the 325 is a good cartridge and was usually available in slightly lighter weight over the counter rifles.

A 200 grain, .323 bullet with a sectional density of .274 at 2800 to 2900 fps. Compared to the same constructed .338, 225 grain bullet with a sectional density of .281 at 2800'ish fps. I do not think there will earth tilting differences on game. I concede the advantage difference of .015" bullet diameter and 25 grains extra bullet weight to the .338.

I like the 338 Winchester lots, as well as the 325 WSM. Very doubtful that I will be shooting over 300 yds, so b.c.'s are not ultra important to me with either cartridge. I personally bought a 325 to use instead of various 300 magnums. I did not buy the hype it was "better" than a 300 mag either, just my preference. I prefer the 7mm and 8mm to the .308 magnums for my uses.



I agree with this. My 338-06's pushing 200-210gr bullets from 2800-2850 will easily do anything I ask. It is my preference over a 325 or 338 Win Mag. I also own a 300 H&H and really like the rifle/cartridge for nostalgia sake. For all intents and purpose it is in the same class as my 338-06's.


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Originally Posted by CRS
Originally Posted by ldmay375
Definitely an old original post.

Personally, I did not buy into the advertising hype that the 325 was "better" than the 338 Winchester.
I did buy into, the 325 is a good cartridge and was usually available in slightly lighter weight over the counter rifles.

A 200 grain, .323 bullet with a sectional density of .274 at 2800 to 2900 fps. Compared to the same constructed .338, 225 grain bullet with a sectional density of .281 at 2800'ish fps. I do not think there will earth tilting differences on game. I concede the advantage difference of .015" bullet diameter and 25 grains extra bullet weight to the .338.

I like the 338 Winchester lots, as well as the 325 WSM. Very doubtful that I will be shooting over 300 yds, so b.c.'s are not ultra important to me with either cartridge. I personally bought a 325 to use instead of various 300 magnums. I did not buy the hype it was "better" than a 300 mag either, just my preference. I prefer the 7mm and 8mm to the .308 magnums for my uses.



I agree with this. My 338-06's pushing 200-210gr bullets from 2800-2850 will easily do anything I ask. It is my preference over a 325 or 338 Win Mag. I also own a 300 H&H and really like the rifle/cartridge for nostalgia sake. For all intents and purpose it is in the same class as my 338-06's.



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