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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15035367 07/09/20
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Originally Posted by 358wsm


Filaman (and all others),


Great posts... I'm enjoying this immensely.


Admittedly, I've been stepping this way, and that, thinking I needed the horsepower of the 25-06 and/or the 270 (of which I currently have of the latter and formerly had the 25-06 A.I. at one time) for the longer work. That 25-06 A.I. was a Hotrod and a Deer Slayer with its preferred 100 gr NPT and 115 gr NPT.

Early on someone said, "6 Creed."
Being my donor is LA, I honestly had not considered dropping down in bore size - BUT - I am a handloader, I have case forming experience - And I am liking the performance of what I am seeing with the 105's and 107's - and the options given in that caliber such as the 85 TTSX and the Partitioned and Bonded offerings as well. LOTS to Like.

And it clearly gets recoil down.


Without any other changes, seems it would be incredibly easy to neck down the 25-06 (or even the 270) to 6mm and run with it.

I really Like That Option.





The .240 Weatherby is the same thing as a 6mm-06 which is essentially what you're describing here albeit with belt. But necking down the .25-06 or .270 would do it without a belt. May be a good choice. Just be ready to buy more barrels. That's an overbore from hell and would be a barrel burner. Depending on how much you shoot you might be buying a barrel every year or so. But if you don't mind that it should be a very hot number.

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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15047742 07/13/20
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Originally Posted by 358wsm


Filaman (and all others),


Great posts... I'm enjoying this immensely.


Admittedly, I've been stepping this way, and that, thinking I needed the horsepower of the 25-06 and/or the 270 (of which I currently have of the latter and formerly had the 25-06 A.I. at one time) for the longer work. That 25-06 A.I. was a Hotrod and a Deer Slayer with its preferred 100 gr NPT and 115 gr NPT.

Early on someone said, "6 Creed."
Being my donor is LA, I honestly had not considered dropping down in bore size - BUT - I am a handloader, I have case forming experience - And I am liking the performance of what I am seeing with the 105's and 107's - and the options given in that caliber such as the 85 TTSX and the Partitioned and Bonded offerings as well. LOTS to Like.

And it clearly gets recoil down.


Without any other changes, seems it would be incredibly easy to neck down the 25-06 (or even the 270) to 6mm and run with it.

I really Like That Option.


Forget about the 85gr TTSX , run the numbers on the Barnes 95gr LRX. It’s an exceptional bullet.

Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15049626 07/14/20
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358WSM,

If you're trying to keep recoil to a minimum for the purpose of not losing your sight picture during recoil, a 25-06 will bump too much and you will lose the picture unless you use a heavy barrel.

I've learned not to assume MOA loads at100 will hold within MOA at 400, so to see which rifle/load will actually group better at 400 or 500 is the only way to really know. My vote would be 140 grain .270

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I’ve had great luck w 100ttsx out of my 257wby to 400 (not that’s long range by western standards)

Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15085447 07/27/20
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I had the same conundrum a week ago. I have a gorgeous #1 and wanted it re-barreled to something different.
I have basically everything in 22-26 cal with fast twist barrels.
I could not decide between a 25 or a 27. I finally decided on the 25-06 Ackley Improved in the #1B profile.
Barrel is going to be 26" with a 1:7 twist. Should be here in November.

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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15085791 07/27/20
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Originally Posted by 358wsm


Filaman (and all others),


Great posts... I'm enjoying this immensely.


Admittedly, I've been stepping this way, and that, thinking I needed the horsepower of the 25-06 and/or the 270 (of which I currently have of the latter and formerly had the 25-06 A.I. at one time) for the longer work. That 25-06 A.I. was a Hotrod and a Deer Slayer with its preferred 100 gr NPT and 115 gr NPT.

Early on someone said, "6 Creed."
Being my donor is LA, I honestly had not considered dropping down in bore size - BUT - I am a handloader, I have case forming experience - And I am liking the performance of what I am seeing with the 105's and 107's - and the options given in that caliber such as the 85 TTSX and the Partitioned and Bonded offerings as well. LOTS to Like.

And it clearly gets recoil down.


Without any other changes, seems it would be incredibly easy to neck down the 25-06 (or even the 270) to 6mm and run with it.

I really Like That Option.







The 6mm-06 is a simple option and takes advantage of the LA mag box. My 25" Bartlein 1:9 will push the 105 Berger at 3400 before maxing out. 3300 and change has been a comfortable place to run with good accuracy and brass life. I use a combination of .25-06 and .243 dies to neck down and size .25-06 brass. The berger has killed everything we sent it through (p dogs, coyotes, antelope, whitetails and mulies) from 100 to 500+. Farthest on deer sized game was 425 but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot farther if conditions were good.

Truth be told I wouldn't mind a bullet that held together a tad better when shooting anything bigger than antelope. The berger tends to stay inside on mule deer and bigger whitetails. Kills great but not much of a blood trail if you have one get out of sight. I may try the 95 LRX like was previously mentioned.

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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15085863 07/27/20
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105 Berger at 3400 before maxing out.


what is your load?



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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15085972 07/27/20
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To get to 3300 I run 51.5g RL23, CCI 200, winchester cases, and 5 thou off the lands. I can't recall how much above that it took to get to 3400 but not much. H4831SC produced similar velocities but RL23 gave me a smaller ES and similar accuracy so I stuck with that.

A little caveat...

The builder that put it together tested it with Superformance powder. He gave me the load data which I duplicated with my lot of powder. Several blown primers and a locked up bolt later we concluded that his lot of Superformance was producing 100+ FPS less velocity than mine with the exact same charge!

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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15085994 07/27/20
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cool thanks



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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15088914 07/28/20
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Don't sleep on the .270 with a better bullet. Left the 140 Berger due to lack of availability and went to the 145 ELDX. Fantastic bullet in my rifle with RE-22 for over 3000fps and ridiculous accuracy.

I also find it extremely tolerant of jump, my rifle is over the 6000 round mark and the throat is toast but it just keeps shooting.

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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: AKwolverine] #15089155 07/28/20
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Originally Posted by AKwolverine
Originally Posted by 358wsm
Originally Posted by mathman
The OP said deer size game and keep recoil to a minimum. It follows that a high bc 6mm is mo bettah.



About 2 decades ago, I lusted for a 6-284, I was more about velocity then, as opposed to B.C.

I currently have a LA Model 70 Classic which I have wanted to use as a donor.

What would be the best 6mm chambering given that platform?


My first guess would be the 6 mm Remington AI - But I am wide open to recommendations.



What about 6/06?

Ever priced 6-06 dies??

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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15089180 07/28/20
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Did the OP say ro 500 yards??

A 25-06 with a 117 Gameking or a 115 Ballistic Tip, seen those Gamekings work in the 400-500 yard range more than a few times on our Missouri whitetails.

That 115-117 shoots plenty flat and have more than enough energy at those ranges.


That being said give me a 6mm or 6AI with something in the 3300-3400 fps neighborhood and watch schitt die pretty quick.

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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15091901 07/29/20
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Someone do a welfare check on Stick.

His absence from this thread is.....unusual.


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Re: .257 vs .277 long range deer bullet options [Re: 358wsm] #15092156 07/29/20
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Have Both, really like Both! Would run a 25-06 with a 24" barrel in a nice fitting average weight Rifle of your choice. I'd run my Sako AV with Nosler 115gr BTs. A great feild of view provided by shooting game on the lowest possible magnification you are comfortable with should help with calling your shot also. YMMV

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