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Some serious numbers 358! I really regret not sending an 06 Tikka donor to a JES to reborn to 338-06.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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I believe I’d rather have a .35 Whelen, if I felt I needed a bigger bullet than a .30 caliber, and didn’t want magnum recoil.
Also hard to fault a 200 grain bullet from a 30-06, if more power is the point. What was it about your .338-06 that makes you feel a .35 Whelen would be better?
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338-06 Ackley.....
Stainless 700, 21 1/2" Rock Creek barrel, McMillan Classic stock, Leupold 3.5-10x40 in Talleys.
7 pounds, 12 ounces.
200 BT's or 210 Partitions at 2800.
Hunted it one time and killed a mature doe with the BT. She was impressed.
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Question for you guys do you believe the 338-06 has real world performance better than a 30-06 with 200gr or even 220gr bullets? My 338-06 was a rusted bore pre-64 270, sent it to JES, bought a Pacific Research syn stock from Jorge here at the 'fire, all metal was cerakoted by my 'smith, it wears a 2.5-8 leupold in dual dovetail bases and rings with BC cap and camo tape on the scope tube for the muzzle, it's an all weather/all game rifle, it fires at 210gr partition at a very accurate 2800 fps with H-380 powder. As far as being more effective than an '06 with 200/220's, I don't know, do know I ran 250gr A Frames at 2550 fps, and 275gr A Frames at 2400 fps with RL-17 powder, that's got to count for something bashing big meanies up close.
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Question for you guys do you believe the 338-06 has real world performance better than a 30-06 with 200gr or even 220gr bullets? My 338-06 was a rusted bore pre-64 270, sent it to JES, bought a Pacific Research syn stock from Jorge here at the 'fire, all metal was cerakoted by my 'smith, it wears a 2.5-8 leupold in dual dovetail bases and rings with BC cap and camo tape on the scope tube for the muzzle, it's an all weather/all game rifle, it fires at 210gr partition at a very accurate 2800 fps with H-380 powder. As far as being more effective than an '06 with 200/220's, I don't know, do know I ran 250gr A Frames at 2550 fps, and 275gr A Frames at 2400 fps with RL-17 powder, that's got to count for something bashing big meanies up close. Gunner, if you ever want to part with that rifle, let me know! Not a whole lot of critters are going to walk away from those 250-275gr loads. Nosler is making a 300gr Accubond that would be interesting to play with too. In addition to 0.03 bigger diameter, it is 150-200 fps faster with the 200-220gr weights. On paper, it is better IMO, but in the field?????
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338-06 Ackley.....
Stainless 700, 21 1/2" Rock Creek barrel, McMillan Classic stock, Leupold 3.5-10x40 in Talleys.
7 pounds, 12 ounces.
200 BT's or 210 Partitions at 2800.
Hunted it one time and killed a mature doe with the BT. She was impressed. I like!
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Mine, a vz24, 26" Douglas barrel, will shoot the Hornady 225's into 1.5" groups at 200 yds all day long.
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I have a ton of headstamped brass, dies, bullets, primers, and powder. Oh yeah, and a mint LH M70 with the smoothest action I've ever seen just begging to have its factory barrel duplicated and chambered in 338-06. Its next winter's project. Can't wait.
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Question for you guys do you believe the 338-06 has real world performance better than a 30-06 with 200gr or even 220gr bullets? My 338-06 was a rusted bore pre-64 270, sent it to JES, bought a Pacific Research syn stock from Jorge here at the 'fire, all metal was cerakoted by my 'smith, it wears a 2.5-8 leupold in dual dovetail bases and rings with BC cap and camo tape on the scope tube for the muzzle, it's an all weather/all game rifle, it fires at 210gr partition at a very accurate 2800 fps with H-380 powder. As far as being more effective than an '06 with 200/220's, I don't know, do know I ran 250gr A Frames at 2550 fps, and 275gr A Frames at 2400 fps with RL-17 powder, that's got to count for something bashing big meanies up close. Gunner, if you ever want to part with that rifle, let me know! Not a whole lot of critters are going to walk away from those 250-275gr loads. Nosler is making a 300gr Accubond that would be interesting to play with too. In addition to 0.03 bigger diameter, it is 150-200 fps faster with the 200-220gr weights. On paper, it is better IMO, but in the field????? I sure will CRS, and LOL, this reminds me of when I was at my bench shooting those 275gr SAF's and had a buddy pull up in the pasture and ask me what I was shooting, I said 338-06 with 275gr SAF's at 2400 fps, said it was my mini 416 Rigby load, he laughed and snickered, yeah okay...........I said I bet a Cape Buffalo wouldn't be laughing ; ] no, nothing I can think of would shrug off either big Swift at those speeds inside 300 yards. BTW, damn nice rifle aalf.
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Question for you guys do you believe the 338-06 has real world performance better than a 30-06 with 200gr or even 220gr bullets? My 338-06 was a rusted bore pre-64 270, sent it to JES, bought a Pacific Research syn stock from Jorge here at the 'fire, all metal was cerakoted by my 'smith, it wears a 2.5-8 leupold in dual dovetail bases and rings with BC cap and camo tape on the scope tube for the muzzle, it's an all weather/all game rifle, it fires at 210gr partition at a very accurate 2800 fps with H-380 powder. As far as being more effective than an '06 with 200/220's, I don't know, do know I ran 250gr A Frames at 2550 fps, and 275gr A Frames at 2400 fps with RL-17 powder, that's got to count for something bashing big meanies up close. Gunner, if you ever want to part with that rifle, let me know! Not a whole lot of critters are going to walk away from those 250-275gr loads. Nosler is making a 300gr Accubond that would be interesting to play with too. In addition to 0.03 bigger diameter, it is 150-200 fps faster with the 200-220gr weights. On paper, it is better IMO, but in the field????? I sure will CRS, and LOL, this reminds me of when I was at my bench shooting those 275gr SAF's and had a buddy pull up in the pasture and ask me what I was shooting, I said 338-06 with 275gr SAF's at 2400 fps, said it was my mini 416 Rigby load, he laughed and snickered, yeah okay...........I said I bet a Cape Buffalo wouldn't be laughing ; ] no, nothing I can think of would shrug off either big Swift at those speeds inside 300 yards. BTW, damn nice rifle aalf. Not a doubt in mind that a 338-06 loaded with a good 250-300gr bullet would have no issues with a cape buffalo. I would question the nut squeezing the trigger more than the ballistics.
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Question for you guys do you believe the 338-06 has real world performance better than a 30-06 with 200gr or even 220gr bullets? My 338-06 was a rusted bore pre-64 270, sent it to JES, bought a Pacific Research syn stock from Jorge here at the 'fire, all metal was cerakoted by my 'smith, it wears a 2.5-8 leupold in dual dovetail bases and rings with BC cap and camo tape on the scope tube for the muzzle, it's an all weather/all game rifle, it fires at 210gr partition at a very accurate 2800 fps with H-380 powder. As far as being more effective than an '06 with 200/220's, I don't know, do know I ran 250gr A Frames at 2550 fps, and 275gr A Frames at 2400 fps with RL-17 powder, that's got to count for something bashing big meanies up close. Gunner, if you ever want to part with that rifle, let me know! Not a whole lot of critters are going to walk away from those 250-275gr loads. Nosler is making a 300gr Accubond that would be interesting to play with too. In addition to 0.03 bigger diameter, it is 150-200 fps faster with the 200-220gr weights. On paper, it is better IMO, but in the field????? I sure will CRS, and LOL, this reminds me of when I was at my bench shooting those 275gr SAF's and had a buddy pull up in the pasture and ask me what I was shooting, I said 338-06 with 275gr SAF's at 2400 fps, said it was my mini 416 Rigby load, he laughed and snickered, yeah okay...........I said I bet a Cape Buffalo wouldn't be laughing ; ] no, nothing I can think of would shrug off either big Swift at those speeds inside 300 yards. BTW, damn nice rifle aalf. Not a doubt in mind that a 338-06 loaded with a good 250-300gr bullet would have no issues with a cape buffalo. I would question the nut squeezing the trigger more than the ballistics. And that danged Gunner is plenty of a nut. I saw that cause you have to be one to know one!
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Question for you guys do you believe the 338-06 has real world performance better than a 30-06 with 200gr or even 220gr bullets? My 338-06 was a rusted bore pre-64 270, sent it to JES, bought a Pacific Research syn stock from Jorge here at the 'fire, all metal was cerakoted by my 'smith, it wears a 2.5-8 leupold in dual dovetail bases and rings with BC cap and camo tape on the scope tube for the muzzle, it's an all weather/all game rifle, it fires at 210gr partition at a very accurate 2800 fps with H-380 powder. As far as being more effective than an '06 with 200/220's, I don't know, do know I ran 250gr A Frames at 2550 fps, and 275gr A Frames at 2400 fps with RL-17 powder, that's got to count for something bashing big meanies up close. Gunner, if you ever want to part with that rifle, let me know! Not a whole lot of critters are going to walk away from those 250-275gr loads. Nosler is making a 300gr Accubond that would be interesting to play with too. In addition to 0.03 bigger diameter, it is 150-200 fps faster with the 200-220gr weights. On paper, it is better IMO, but in the field????? I sure will CRS, and LOL, this reminds me of when I was at my bench shooting those 275gr SAF's and had a buddy pull up in the pasture and ask me what I was shooting, I said 338-06 with 275gr SAF's at 2400 fps, said it was my mini 416 Rigby load, he laughed and snickered, yeah okay...........I said I bet a Cape Buffalo wouldn't be laughing ; ] no, nothing I can think of would shrug off either big Swift at those speeds inside 300 yards. BTW, damn nice rifle aalf. Not a doubt in mind that a 338-06 loaded with a good 250-300gr bullet would have no issues with a cape buffalo. I would question the nut squeezing the trigger more than the ballistics. And that danged Gunner is plenty of a nut. I saw that cause you have to be one to know one! LOL Men, we should be laughing at the nut in the pasture poking fun at my 338-06 loaded with 275gr A Frames, he's the real joker here ; ]
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The nut comment was a general comment, I have resembled that remark more than a couple times. But if the description fits....... Now I am going to have to order some 250gr monos to play with.
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Question for you guys do you believe the 338-06 has real world performance better than a 30-06 with 200gr or even 220gr bullets? My 338-06 was a rusted bore pre-64 270, sent it to JES, bought a Pacific Research syn stock from Jorge here at the 'fire, all metal was cerakoted by my 'smith, it wears a 2.5-8 leupold in dual dovetail bases and rings with BC cap and camo tape on the scope tube for the muzzle, it's an all weather/all game rifle, it fires at 210gr partition at a very accurate 2800 fps with H-380 powder. As far as being more effective than an '06 with 200/220's, I don't know, do know I ran 250gr A Frames at 2550 fps, and 275gr A Frames at 2400 fps with RL-17 powder, that's got to count for something bashing big meanies up close. Gunner, if you ever want to part with that rifle, let me know! Not a whole lot of critters are going to walk away from those 250-275gr loads. Nosler is making a 300gr Accubond that would be interesting to play with too. In addition to 0.03 bigger diameter, it is 150-200 fps faster with the 200-220gr weights. On paper, it is better IMO, but in the field????? I sure will CRS, and LOL, this reminds me of when I was at my bench shooting those 275gr SAF's and had a buddy pull up in the pasture and ask me what I was shooting, I said 338-06 with 275gr SAF's at 2400 fps, said it was my mini 416 Rigby load, he laughed and snickered, yeah okay...........I said I bet a Cape Buffalo wouldn't be laughing ; ] no, nothing I can think of would shrug off either big Swift at those speeds inside 300 yards. BTW, damn nice rifle aalf. Gunner, I've appreciated your willingness to load heavy for caliber or what I consider: appropriate to caliber. As you very well know, I've put a lot of 300 grain a-frames through moose and caribou, leaving the muzzle at 2400 fps from the ole nine-three. From 100 yds, to 500 yds, they've cleanly sailed through bull moose and caribou. Not long ago, 275-300 grainers were common in the 333 okh. The 275 swift A frame is a great bullet. In the little 358 winchester, my quickest kills were with a 275 grain woodleigh at 2200 fps. A 55" racked bull and a 56" racked bull. Velocity, nor trajectory never ran my show.
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Built mine on a new M70 Classic stainless action. It likes the 200/210/225 bullets. I do not know if it is better than an 06 and do not care. IF you can't kill something with either you need to stay under the porch. If you are looking for info fine but if you are looking for another pissing match go away. Ray
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I do not know if it is better than an 06 and do not care. Ray We should use your quote everytime a post or thread is started, talking about standard medium bores. Oh grand minimilists, please excuse my appreciation for this practical medium bore. I apologize that's it's not a 30-06, or a 270 winchester. Oh great standard bearers looking down on upon me from your modern day thrones and key boards: please humbly accept that my 9.3x62 mauser is older than yes, even the 30-06 or 270. Please keep me in your prayers, that it's not common and I may have to hand load.
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Mine, a vz24, 26" Douglas barrel, will shoot the Hornady 225's into 1.5" groups at 200 yds all day long. Very nice looking rifle!
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