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Has anyone noticed when using the 358 all the blood and tissue fragments on the ground? It's always in a straight line for 4 to 6 feet on the exit side. I have not seen this with 7mm or '06 although I may have missed it.

Yes sir, they seem to pull a bunch of stuff from the exit holes. That Sierra expands pretty widely from the few times I have put it into water jugs, to the order of .750-.800"

200gr TSX
225 NP

After randomly asking about a specific bullet, I ALWAYS email Barnes about new rifles/loads. Here is the reply about their .358 offerings. MANY of their bullets have different design windows. I have been quoted anywhere from 1500 FPS (168 TTSX .308) up to 2000 FPS for the min opening velocity depending on the bullet in reference.

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The 180 will open down to 1900 fps, the 200 gr. will open down to 1800 fps and the 225 will open down to 1600 fps.
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As Judman pointed out earlier, the 358 Win doesn't require fancy bullets to make it shine. No point in using bullets like Barnes in 358. It produces modest velocities that are ideal for cup/core bullets on large game. The monolithics are long for their weight, which is a significant detriment in the small package that is the 358. Which 358 cup/core bullet of appropriate weight WON'T work for elk?

HuntNshoot! That's the only question that need be asked here. Thanks. Kind of like buying cars. Don't think about the clown selling you the car. What are you getting and for how much? Be Well medium bore guys, Rustyzipper.

my rem. 600 in 350 loves the 225 nosler. deer never move. 1 big black bear went 2 to 3 feet before belly up. shot him at 27 feet. don't know what it weight was but f & g said the hide was 7' 1 " head was 19 13/16 just short of book.

Benbo- Does your old 99 have a crescent shaped, metal butt plate (I am not familiar w/ late 50's or early 60's Savages)? If so, you might want to try the Barnes 180 gr. TTSX for some recoil reduction while still maintaining an elk capable projectile. I have been working up loads for the 180 TTSX in my Ruger Hawkeye SS with Ramshot TAC & X-Terminator. 2809 fps average w/ TAC and, so far, 2715 fps w/ X-terminator (capable of more). These velocities may be too much for a 99 even though I observed no high pressure indications. -Mark

I load the 180 TTSX a grain under max for my 99. No pressure signs. Action opens easy, very very accurate in that rifle.

What powder?

Don’t forget about the 160 Raptor by Cutting Edge Bullets and the 178 Shock Hammer, both work well in the .358 Win.

JB likes TAC, as covered in his excellent article.

I like X-term as it is less compressed. RL-7 not compressed, gives great velocity and accuracy.

All three of those will work. Guess it depends on what you can find.

DF

I shoot TAC and the 180 TTSX. It always surprises me how brutally powerful that bullet is on game.

With it’s somewhat limited velocity, I’d probably go with a Cup & Core ……I’d probably go with a Hornady Interlock of around 225 to 250 grains - whatever is available! memtb

Bullets I mentioned can be pushed faster than conventional bullets. And they frag petals, the core boring on through

So, terminal performance is really good.

DF

The 35 Rem is not a 358 Win and the 358 Win is not a 35 Whelen. All are capable for most critters in North Ameica if you can put a bullet exactly where you want it. Expansion is not important at all when you put the bullet into the exact spot you need for a one shot kill. What does this really mean? You can shoot in any position, at any reasonable distance and hold off on making a shot if the situation is not right.

The 358 Win is very cable of one shot kills at 300 yards and is capable of the accuracy to make those shots and the penetration, without a super premium bullet as well. I have done it

I was suprised to see a 358 Win with 200 grain Rem RN fully penetrate a concaved hardened steel hanging 20" House HD cutter head disc blade at 275 yards. If you do not think it has enough juice think again.

I didn’t think about the Hammer’s or a reasonable facsimile thereof! 😉 memtb

I managed to kill a couple large cows with the Sierra 225 and a case full of 4320, one boiler room shot, one neck shot, both under 100 yds, I'm guessing around 2300 impact velocity. Didn't examine the wounds much, neck shot was through and through. They probably would have been even deader if I had used a pricier bullet.

225gr sgk, no reason to look elsewhere

I've posted .358 Win terminal performance with the 178 gr. Shock Hammer. This is the exit chest wound on a doe shot at around a hundred yards. Quick kill.

I sent this picture to the Hammer company, co-owner, Steve Davis, texted back, pointing out the satellite exits wounds around the core exit. He knew what he was looking at.

The Lehigh, CEB and Hammers are mono's that frag, the core boring on thru. Like most mono's, they're very accurate.

They're not cheap, but IMO, worth the cost. I haven't tried the Lehigh, but read good things about them. Bill Wilson bought the company, moved machinery from Utah to East Texas. As you know, he makes high end 1911's in Berryville, AR. His ranch is in East Texas and that's where Lehigh is now located.

I like to see mono technology being advanced. No telling how long before what's going on in CA moves East. It's good to have non-lead options, just in case.

I like Barnes, but these new versions are more expansive and frag, sorta like a mono Partition. So, I guess there's a mono for every application.

DF