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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: DaddyRat] #14237483 10/28/19
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Welcome Benbo. Good info you posted.


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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: DaddyRat] #14385290 12/18/19
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My 15year old son used his 308 Howa on plains game including Hartman zebra and Oryx without any issues. The load I developed for him was the 150grain accubond with 50 grains of cfe223, this load groups into half inch @100 yards with a chronoed velocity of 2,900fps .
Start at least 4 grains lower and work up.
I advise your daughter gets plenty of practice shooting of sticks it will really pay off.
If you want a great outfit to have a family hunt with I can highly recommended Osombahe Nord safaris run and owned by Harold and Liezel, a great family run hunting.
My wire, 15year old son and myself had a fantastic time along with the others in our group (2other hunters)
Go have fun with your family I garruntee it will be something you will remember for a lifetime.

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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: DaddyRat] #14386388 12/19/19
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Will add something to what was posted early on about my wife's success with 150-grain Nosler E-Tips in the .308 on a South African safari in 2008.

On that trip she used a handload that got around 2850 fps from her Serengeti custom rifle's 21-inch barrel, but not long afterward she started getting recoil headaches, and could not shoot that load from the light .308 (under 7 pounds scoped) without a headache starting on the very first shot. (Before anybody starts suggesting rifle fit as the problem, the stock was indeed custom-made to her dimensions. In fact she went to the Serengeti shop to have it fitted by their top stockmaker. It comes up with the scope right on whatever she's aiming at, and has a very soft recoil pad.)

Instead the problem started due to what happens to many of us in middle age. We become less flexible, and recoil can thus cause various things, one of the possibilities being headaches.

We decided to start downloading the round, and ended up with the 130-grain TTSX at just about the same muzzle velocity, and with a small muzzle brake recoil was reduced enough to allow Eileen to hunt with the rifle again. So far we have not been able to tell any difference in results on game between the 130 and 150-grain monolithics (Neither of us, in fact, have been able to detect any difference in the way "tipped" monolithics expand and penetrate, whether the is a TTSX, E-Tip or Hornady GMX.)

The biggest animal she's taken so far with the 130 TTSX load was the biggest cow elk either of us has killed, as large as many mature bulls. The elk stood quartering to the left on at around 200-250 yards, and the bullet landed just above the right shoulder joint, breaking the heavy bone and penetrating both lungs before ending up under the hide in the middle of ribs on the opposite side. Maybe a 150 would have exited, but I am not so sure, since we've seen a number of monolithics of various weights, including other TTSX's, from simiilar-sized animals (and some even smaller) in both North America and Africa.

What I do know is Eileen does not worry that her .308 might be too small for anything she might hunt either in Montana or elsewhere, and the trajectory of the 130 is just about exactly the same as a 150 at the same velocity, out to 300-350 yards, which is as far as she shoots at big game.

The powder charge for the 130 TTSX load is 45.0 grains of IMR4895, but could just as easily be any of other powders in the same burn-rate range.


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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: DaddyRat] #14386416 12/19/19
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That sounds much like the H4895/120TTSX load my teenage daughter shoots in her 20" 7mm-08 at 2,820fps. It's not very snorty but kills everything we have pointed it at, plus it digs deep.


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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: DaddyRat] #14386598 12/19/19
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I'd probably take something different for a PG hunt, but this is an interesting option for the .308.

I wrote one of the two reviews. Check it out.

https://cuttingedgebullets.com/308-135gr-er-extended-range-raptor

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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: Mule Deer] #14395754 12/22/19
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The loads my son used were in a Howa 308 about 8# all up. Fortunately he's 15 an flexible.
I had the same problem with my Whelan as Eileen had with her 08. Getting old is a bitch they don't warn you about. Good to see you solved the problem for her.
Those monometals sure do do a great job, kill out of all proportion to their weight. Deadly is dead whether using 130grain or 220grain.
Give me the 130, gentler and just as deadly. I agree I would use your load on African PG the 140 guys outer edge mono worked on Hartman zebra and Oryx with thru and thru on both.
Enjoy your elk, the closest we get in Oz is the mighty sambar.
All the best to you,Eileen and the family for Christmas from my family.

Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: 25epps] #14396439 12/22/19
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25epps,

Yep, even though many people tell you about getting older, it usually doesn't sink in until you get there!

One of my pen-pals in in Australia sent me a copy of SECRETS OF THE SAMBAR, Volume 1, by Errol Mann. Don't know if you have seen it (my copy is one of 138 copies of a limited edition, and it's wonderful book, which makes me want to hunt them in Oz! Don't know if that will ever happen (have pretty much had my fill of flying around the world) but who knows?

Thanks very much. Hope you have a great Christmas as well,
John


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With a .308, I would vote 150 or 165 gr. Barnes

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Anybody tried the 155 Scenar?

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Getting old is not for sissy’s !!!


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Originally Posted by leftycarbon
Getting old is not for sissy’s !!!


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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: DaddyRat] #15081661 07/26/20
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My son used a Howa 308 loaded with 150grain accubonds at 2,900 fps. He shot zebra, Oryx, warthog, blesbuck, heartebeast plus other game. No problems 10 very dead animals
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My 15 year old son shot 10 head of plains game in Namibia from impala to zebra with a Howa 308 loaded with 50 grains of cfe223 at a chronoed velocity of 2,950fps. Result 10 very dead animals
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Originally Posted by DaddyRat
Daughter and I are going to SA on a plains game hunt in 7/2021. She will be shooting a .308. Zebra, gemsbok and wildebeest are on the list along with smaller antelope. All things being equal, velocity and accuracy, which would you shoot? Nosler 168 grain accubond lr or a 168 grain ttsx. Thank you in advance.


The TTSX will allow you to concentrate on the point of exit.


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The trip has been punched back to 7/2022. I am torn between the 168 tsx and the 165 Nosler partition. Both Bullets are shooting well with 44.0 grains rl-15. A slight nod in accuracy to the partition.

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Originally Posted by DaddyRat
The trip has been punched back to 7/2022. I am torn between the 168 tsx and the 165 Nosler partition. Both Bullets are shooting well with 44.0 grains rl-15. A slight nod in accuracy to the partition.


No brainer. I'd use the 165 Partition. If you want a mono, don't go above 150 gr's in the 308.


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You could shoot 10 animals with each bullet at the same velocity side by side with the exact same shot placement and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Use which ever on shoots the most accurately with lightest load.

The vast majority of her shots will likely be standing off of sticks and I would be surprise if she has a shot beyond a 175 yards and more than likely most shots will be under 125 with many at a 100 or less.

Remember, you pay for a wounded animal so most people when faced with a $500 bill for a wounded animal have a tendency to get closer.

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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: DaddyRat] #15105310 08/03/20
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Of the TWO (2) bullets listed by the OP, I'll take the TTSX all day long if for no other reason than penetration. Two holes are better than one and if they bleed, the trackers will find it...


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Re: Plains game load for .308 [Re: Brad] #15105760 08/03/20
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Originally Posted by Brad
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The trip has been punched back to 7/2022. I am torn between the 168 tsx and the 165 Nosler partition. Both Bullets are shooting well with 44.0 grains rl-15. A slight nod in accuracy to the partition.


No brainer. I'd use the 165 Partition. If you want a mono, don't go above 150 gr's in the 308.


Agree. I’ve seen ‘06-capacity cases fail to give even the 150-gr TSX/TTSX’s enough speed to adequately expand at long range on occasion, depending on resistance. I’d be a little more uncomfortable with the 160’s in the 308.

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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by DaddyRat
The trip has been punched back to 7/2022. I am torn between the 168 tsx and the 165 Nosler partition. Both Bullets are shooting well with 44.0 grains rl-15. A slight nod in accuracy to the partition.


No brainer. I'd use the 165 Partition. If you want a mono, don't go above 150 gr's in the 308.


Agree. I’ve seen ‘06-capacity cases fail to give even the 150-gr TSX/TTSX’s enough speed to adequately expand at long range on occasion, depending on resistance. I’d be a little more uncomfortable with the 160’s in the 308.


Excellent observations(s), but I kept my recommendations to the two bullets proffered by the OP.


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