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Re: K31 Swiss [Re: Son_of_the_Gael] #15007478 06/29/20
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Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael
I've mentioned this before, there is a Military Bolt Action Rifle match every month at my range. I'm told the Swiss and the Swedes are the top contenders every time. (rifles have to unaltered, but apparently there are no restrictions on ammunition)


Lots of clubs run such shoots

In Phoenix, AZ it was yesterday, last sunday of each month at PRGC. We call it CMP or C&R or Vintage Military or Obsolete Bolt Action. Check your local club calendars and see what you have near you!

Yes, the Swiss and Swede are great. a lot of M1 and 1903's turn up too.

now that GP11 is harder to find, 4350 and a 150 FMJ shoots good too.

Poole


Re: K31 Swiss [Re: BrotherBart] #15007842 06/29/20
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aim surplus is selling some schmidt's, get this, at 549dollars.
i remember at one time buying them for 69bucks.
aim is also selling the slings and muzzle protectors.
thank god i got hooked on them early and bought a ton of that swiss ammo. the cleaning kits were about 2bucks at the time, now about 20bucks.
i was too cheap to shoot the swiss ammo, ended up buying the brass and loading my own.

I also ended up buying a couple of the earlier versions

I stuck them some place, can't find them now, but they had a six round cardboard stripper clip thingy. pretty cool. the cased ammo came in a heavily waxed sealed cardboard container, i think you could have thrown it in a lake, come back later, and it would still be okay.

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Re: K31 Swiss [Re: BrotherBart] #15007859 06/29/20
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another little tidbit before i forget it. bill poole would probably know more than i. but memory seems to tell me the original swiss round, prior to
the one for the k31, was one of the ones looked at in designing the american service round.


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Re: K31 Swiss [Re: BrotherBart] #15007879 06/29/20
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pierre st marie makes a clamp on mount that works, among other things.
https://www.swissproductsusa.com/

going back to the original post, they got in that business as people at the time wanted the target diopter sights available in switzerland, but costly even then, plus the cost of getting them here.
from looking at the website, they ran with the idea.

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Re: K31 Swiss [Re: RoninPhx] #15009250 06/29/20
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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
another little tidbit before i forget it. bill poole would probably know more than i. but memory seems to tell me the original swiss round, prior to
the one for the k31, was one of the ones looked at in designing the american service round.


Rubin ammunition was looked at, but in relation to the .30 for the Krag, not the .30/03.

The Ordnance Department sent Frankford Arsenal a box of sample rounds, obtained via the military attache in Paris, on April 29 1890. This included Swiss Rubin rounds, and Frankford was asked to make a batch of ammunition for experimental purposes based on these, for the proposed small calibre smokeless cartridge. They also tried other designs including "headless" (rimless) designs including Belgian Mauser ammunition, before the design which became the .30 Ball service cartridge was adopted in 1893.

Rubin's cartridges were also used in the development of Britain's .303.

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Re: K31 Swiss [Re: BrotherBart] #15010015 06/30/20
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for those with old eyes [img]https://www.badacetactical.com/products/no-drill-swiss-k31-scope-mount-low-profile[/img]
put one on my 1937 k31 easy install. several different handloads shoot moa or better 5 shot groups.
bangs 10" gong @300 9 out of 10.


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Re: K31 Swiss [Re: arky65] #15083621 07/26/20
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I too use the Bad Ace Tactical mounts, although I use the one for LER scopes. I just couldn't resist loading these like the Swiss intended--only loaded via charger, never by removing the magazine.

For those interested: https://www.badacetactical.com/coll.../swiss-k31-scope-mount-ultra-low-profile

Re: K31 Swiss [Re: BrotherBart] #15101438 08/01/20
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I got a 1931 K-31 in 2002 for $90 +12 FFL

I got a 1931 K-31 in 2004 for $80 private sale

I wrote down back then:

7.5mm Swiss, K-31, 284 brass sized with Lee die, CCI200

1) 168 gr Sierra .308 Match King

a) 42 gr IMR4895 ok, kinda wimpy
b) 45.5 gr IMR4895, ok, primer starting too flatten, 4" group open
sights

2) 189 gr cast w/gas check, .3095
a) 28 gr IMR4895, ok, 10" group open sights

Hard to close bolt could be OAL, and could be resizing problem. Guns dry
fires easily.


I remember there are weird names written on paper under the butt plates.


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