Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire How are we going to organize if the crap hits the fan?

The BLM and ANTIFA are funded and somewhat organized. They seem to have a few calling the shots. What they don't expect is hit and run gorilla tactics. They expect most to hunker down and hide. There's enough LEOs, and vets here that can come up with quick plans as things happen.

You are correct. They may not understand there is a difference between hiding and stalking. Might be time they learned.

Organize to what? Talk? Ahh, we're good right here... They've got us nailed, we are too damn comfortable, have too much to lose, etc... to fight back. Why, the COPS might get us, or we'd be doxed and then never get another nights sleep. Our bosses might find out and fire us. They'd red flag us, take our guns away, all kinda horrible stuff, too much to be worth fighting back.

B'cept when they get to MY block, okay? When they're coming down MY block I'll fight. Yeah. Or actually, maybe not my BLOCK, how about my driveway? Yeah. THAT'S it, I'll fight when they come up my driveway! ...Well, wait. I might get in some trouble for fighting there, maybe through the front door? Actually, I think... don't I have a moral duty to retreat? So, here it is, nothing of worldly possessions is ever worth fighting over, certainly not KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, am I right? So there you go, if they are fixing to hurt no, kill one of my family, THEN I'll fight, yeah, that's it, and let me tell you, I'm ready!

Like Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

I suspect that a couple of pissed off farm boys with ARs would cause the whole assembly to stampede.

This your alter ego Theo?

Seems the loop is smaller but more important than the internet which has already become almost worthless.

majority of my neighbors are in their 70-80s

Well we can each fight our own battle but we are much more effective if we are able to run security, patrols, block important roads and communicate say inside a 20 mile area. I mean waiting for someone to sneak up and set your house on fire is not really a plan.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Say, by chance did you catch the sarcasm in this post at least?

In a really SERIOUS breakdown the only things you'll be "organizing" is how to temporarily feed or escape from the clamoring unarmed populace or marauders that will kill you for anything you have got.

You can't fix stupid, if your not prepared to defend your property after Obama your a dumb sob. If your not with US your against US, a lot of good people are going to be victims and left behind to fend for themselves with nothing.

I could be completely off base but when the socialist scum learn the lessons the Germans did at Belleau Wood regarding the .30/06 it'll settle down.

Maybe you can go back to work and come get mine.

Order whatever you can find. I've got the 1992 edition of the Ranger Handbook - it's GOLD. Every hunter should read it, front to back. Rogers' Rangers rules are the first thing printed up front and the rules still apply today:

I. All Rangers are to be subject to the rules and articles of war; to appear at roll- call every evening, on their own parade, equipped, each with a Firelock, sixty rounds of powder and ball, and a hatchet, at which time an officer from each company is to inspect the same, to see they are in order, so as to be ready on any emergency to march at a minute's warning; and before they are dismissed, the necessary guards are to be draughted, and scouts for the next day appointed.

II. Whenever you are ordered out to the enemies forts or frontiers for discoveries, if your number be small, march in a single file, keeping at such a distance from each other as to prevent one shot from killing two men, sending one man, or more, forward, and the like on each side, at the distance of twenty yards from the main body, if the ground you march over will admit of it, to give the signal to the officer of the approach of an enemy, and of their number, &c.

III. If you march over marshes or soft ground, change your position, and march abreast of each other to prevent the enemy from tracking you (as they would do if you marched in a single file) till you get over such ground, and then resume your former order, and march till it is quite dark before you encamp, which do, if possible, on a piece of ground which that may afford your centries the advantage of seeing or hearing the enemy some considerable distance, keeping one half of your whole party awake alternately through the night.

IV. Some time before you come to the place you would reconnoitre, make a stand, and send one or two men in whom you can confide, to look out the best ground for making your observations.

V. If you have the good fortune to take any prisoners, keep them separate, till they are examined, and in your return take a different route from that in which you went out, that you may the better discover any party in your rear, and have an opportunity, if their strength be superior to yours, to alter your course, or disperse, as circumstances may require.

VI. If you march in a large body of three or four hundred, with a design to attack the enemy, divide your party into three columns, each headed by a proper officer, and let those columns march in single files, the columns to the right and left keeping at twenty yards distance or more from that of the center, if the ground will admit, and let proper guards be kept in the front and rear, and suitable flanking parties at a due distance as before directed, with orders to halt on all eminences, to take a view of the surrounding ground, to prevent your being ambuscaded, and to notify the approach or retreat of the enemy, that proper dispositions may be made for attacking, defending, &c. And if the enemy approach in your front on level ground, form a front of your three columns or main body with the advanced guard, keeping out your flanking parties, as if you were marching under the command of trusty officers, to prevent the enemy from pressing hard on either of your wings, or surrounding you, which is the usual method of the savages, if their number will admit of it, and be careful likewise to support and strengthen your rear-guard.

VII. If you are obliged to receive the enemy's fire, fall, or squat down, till it is over; then rise and discharge at them. If their main body is equal to yours, extend yourselves occasionally; but if superior, be careful to support and strengthen your flanking parties, to make them equal to theirs, that if possible you may repulse them to their main body, in which case push upon them with the greatest resolution with equal force in each flank and in the center, observing to keep at a due distance from each other, and advance from tree to tree, with one half of the party before the other ten or twelve yards. If the enemy push upon you, let your front fire and fall down, and then let your rear advance thro' them and do the like, by which time those who before were in front will be ready to discharge again, and repeat the same alternately, as occasion shall require; by this means you will keep up such a constant fire, that the enemy will not be able easily to break your order, or gain your ground.

VIII. If you oblige the enemy to retreat, be careful, in your pursuit of them, to keep out your flanking parties, and prevent them from gaining eminences, or rising grounds, in which case they would perhaps be able to rally and repulse you in their turn.

IX. If you are obliged to retreat, let the front of your whole party fire and fall back, till the rear hath done the same, making for the best ground you can; by this means you will oblige the enemy to pursue you, if they do it at all, in the face of a constant fire.

X. If the enemy is so superior that you are in danger of being surrounded by them, let the whole body disperse, and every one take a different road to the place of rendezvous appointed for that evening, which must every morning be altered and fixed for the evening ensuing, in order to bring the whole party, or as many of them as possible, together, after any separation that may happen in the day; but if you should happen to be actually surrounded, form yourselves into a square, or if in the woods, a circle is best, and, if possible, make a stand till the darkness of the night favours your escape.

XI. If your rear is attacked, the main body and flankers must face about to the right or left, as occasion shall require, and form themselves to oppose the enemy, as before directed; and the same method must be observed, if attacked in either of your flanks, by which means you will always make a rear of one of your flank-guards.

XII. If you determine to rally after a retreat, in order to make a fresh stand against the enemy, by all means endeavour to do it on the most rising ground you come at, which will give you greatly the advantage in point of situation, and enable you to repulse superior numbers.

XIII. In general, when pushed upon by the enemy, reserve your fire till they approach very near, which will then put them into the greatest surprize and consternation, and give you an opportunity of rushing upon them with your hatchets and cutlasses to the better advantage.

XIV. When you encamp at night, fix your centries in such a manner as not to be relieved from the main body till morning, profound secrecy and silence being often of the last importance in these cases. Each centry therefore should consist of six men, two of whom must be constantly alert, and when relieved by their fellows, it should be done without noise; and in case those on duty see or hear any thing, which alarms them, they are not to speak, but one of them is silently to retreat, and acquaint the commanding officer thereof, that proper dispositions may be made; and all occasional centries should be fixed in like manner.

XV. At the first dawn of day, awake your whole detachment; that being the time when the savages the savages chuse to fall upon their enemies, you should by all means be in readiness to receive them.

XVI. If the enemy should be discovered by your detachments in the morning, and their numbers are superior to yours, and a victory doubtful, you should not attack them till the evening, as then they will not know your numbers, and if you are repulsed, your retreat will be favoured by the darkness of the night.

XVII. Before you leave your encampment, send out small parties to scout round it, to see if there be any appearance or track of an enemy that might have been near you during the night.

XVIII. When you stop for refreshment, chuse some spring or rivulet if you can, and dispose your party so as not to be surprised, posting proper guards and centries at a due distance, and let a small party waylay the path you came in, lest the enemy should be pursuing.

XIX. If, in your return, you have to cross rivers, avoid the usual fords as much as possible, lest the enemy should have discovered, and be there expecting you.

XX. If you have to pass by lakes, keep at some distance from the edge of the water, lest, in case of an ambuscade or an attack from the enemy, when in that situation, your retreat should be cut off.

XXI. If the enemy pursue your rear, take a circle till you come to your own tracks, and there form an ambush to receive them, and give them the first fire.

XXII. When you return from a scout, and come near our forts, avoid the usual roads, and avenues thereto, lest the enemy should have headed you, and lay in ambush to receive you, when almost exhausted with fatigues.

XXIII. When you pursue any party that has been near our forts or encampments, follow not directly in their tracks, lest they should be discovered by their rear guards, who, at such a time, would be most alert; but endeavour, by a different route, to head and meet them in some narrow pass, or lay in ambush to receive them when and where they least expect it.

XXIV. If you are to embark in canoes, battoes, or otherwise, by water, chuse the evening for the time of your embarkation, as you will then have the whole night before you, to pass undiscovered by any parties of the enemy, on hills, or other places, which command a prospect of the lake or river you are upon.

XXV. In padling or rowing, give orders that the boat or canoe next the sternmost, wait for her, and the third for the second, and the fourth for the third, and so on, to prevent separation, and that you may be ready to assist each other on any emergency.

XXVI. Appoint one man in each boat to look out for fires, on the adjacent shores, from the numbers and size of which you may form some judgment of the number that kindled them, and whether you are able to attack them or not.

XXVII. If you find the enemy encamped near the banks of a river or lake, which you imagine they will attempt to cross for their security upon being attacked, leave a detachment of your party on the opposite shore to receive them, while, with the remainder, you surprize them, having them between you and the lake or river.

XXVIII. If you cannot satisfy yourself as to the enemy's number and strength, from their fire, &c. conceal your boats at some distance, and ascertain their number by a reconnoitering party, when they embark, or march, in the morning, marking the course they steer, &c. when you may pursue, ambush, and attack them, or let them pass, as prudence shall direct you. In general, however, that you may not be discovered by the enemy upon the lakes and rivers at a great distance, it is safest to lay by, with your boats and party concealed all day, without noise or shew; and to pursue your intended route by night; and whether you go by land or water, give out parole and countersigns, in order to know one another in the dark, and likewise appoint a station every man to repair to, in case of any accident that may separate you."

Cousin of mine wrote that. I know he was a cousin because my grandmother was heavy into genealogy. We are certainly related, because his luck was similar to mine. He hit a bad run of it when he went to France...

Probably where I get the troublemaking rebel part of my personality.😁

Local tyrants are easy to find. They usually live somewhere nearby. Know who and where the enemy is in your backyard.







Gibberish Joe can't even bring hope for himself.

Mikers spent best part of his life serving Gov. one
way or another, incentive being a safe paycheck.

Leopards don't change their spots.

Being old and on the scrapheap he would take
just about any offer if the Gov was looking to
fill numbers... Someone who posts their CV on
the CF puts a flashing sign above their head in
bold letters saying.. 'down out and desperate'..😂

I've said this before: be very careful about what you say or write online.

Lists are undoubtedly being compiled. You do not want to be on one. I give you, as an example my own family-- two members to be exact. One is my grandfather; the other is his older brother, Reinhart. Reinhart's big goal in life was to run a typing school. My grandfather was good at construction. They did not want to make trouble. They were not political. They were good Lutherans.

My great uncle knew Adolf Hitler after WW1-- just knew him socially from the beer hall. In those days Adolf was making the rounds as a paid informant of the Bavarian police. He used to get himself invited to sit at your table and then collect on who said what. That was how he made the connections that he ended up leveraging later on. Hitler was brought as a guest to a stammtisch of which my uncle was a member. My uncle thought he was a cretin and told him so. He ended up on a list. The net of all this was my uncle had to go hide with relatives in the Black Forest and my grandfather had to uproot his family and come to The States.

Here? Both the Bund and the FBI compiled files on every German. Information on our family was sent back to Germany. We know this because my grandfather was given the hard sell when he went back to Marburg in 1938 to see his ailing father. He brought the family along to visit. Reports of his success in building apartments in Cincinnati had gotten back; the Nazi's pressed him to build housing for the Wehrmacht. Our family barely made it back to the States.

Back home, there was still more trouble. There were interrogations, there were people the family knew being thrown into the camps. Dad had a cousin that ended up working for the FBI and then transferred to Army G2, the OSS, and later the CIA. In WWII my uncles had informants reporting on them even though they were proud Americans served in the PTO. That was 80 years ago. The machinery for acquiring and organizing this kind of information has only gotten better. What used to be done by hand with typewriters is now all electronic.

Think about China and its capabilities to data-mine. Think about all the shills and sock puppets and trolls acting as agent provocateurs here on the 'Campfire. There are probably FBI, NSA, and other federal government assets listening in as well. They know what you are writing; they can match it to what you write and do elsewhere. You probably have been vetted and ranked for your inclinations and abilities. If you try to form a group of like-minded individuals, they'll know.

Think of Reinhart. He talks to some loon at a beer hall and he tells the goofball, flat out, he's nuts. The loon then goes back and reports on him. A short while later, Reinhart is hiding from the Brown Shirts in some forgotten corner of the Black Forest. Here on the 'Campfire, that same loon doesn't even have to file a report. It's right out there in the public record and accessible by anyone, anywhere. All the troll needs to do is trip a guy's trigger and he spills everything. Now some guy named RickT300 gets on and asks what you're going to do when the STFU. I'm not trying to throw shade on the OP. However, how much do you know about him? It doesn't make any difference, because unlike the old days, this isn't about opening your mouth after a few beers in the local bar. It isn't about the quiet guy at the end of the bar that may be taking notes. The whole thing is far more sinister.

One other piece of advice: When a troll trips your trigger, don't sound off. Cut him off. Go silent. Let the stupid anti-Trump posts roll off the page in an hour with 0 responses.

This election you have a chance to make sure things get back to normal so that you can have: peace, prosperity, unity,........Please make the right decision.

You had a relative in the CIA, and we're supposed to "listen" to you?