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There's a lot to be said for Weaver/PIC stuff, including easy switching of optics. On the ones I'm using, I put Burris Zee rings, usually the Signature ones with inserts, which hold well and don't mark the scope. Since I hunt close to home it's not really a necessity, but they also permit the carrying of a lightweight backup sight like a FastFire in case of whoopsies. Generally I don't use rails on bolt guns because they block access to the action somewhat, but they are no doubt somewhat stronger.

Still, the Talleys LWs are light and low, so I'll continue to use them where they work for me.

Low Picatinny Rails.


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It's a shame Burris makes their mounts and rings in CHINA.

I agree, and hope some changes are coming in that regard. However, we all have choices to make about such stuff, not just scope rings, but stuff like appliances and electronics, which are almost all made there now. Gonna take some time to wean off of cheap goods made in countries where the governments, if not necessarily the people, are our enemies. Burris is far from the only optics company that has some of their stuff made there. Let THEM know how you feel about it. Pretty sure most here already do. Just not buying stuff doesn't let a company know why.

Call and complain enough and say you are never using or recommending their lightweight crap again, and maybe they will give you a deal on some good bases and rings.

People want to shave every hair of an ounce, and then complain when it sacrifices strength. Can't have everything.

Bingo.

They sell the cheapest azz screws for their rings as well. I won't use them anymore.

Murphy will make a rail as low as possible. The catch is math. The lugs have to be a certain height and the rail has to be thick enough to accommodate a proper screw head. Yes as a general rule most rails could be shaved down, but not by much. Observe how deep the screw head is recessed below the rail, and thats how much height can be easily shaved. Then the question becomes where to take the material from, the screw head or drilling the screw head recess in the rail deeper, both of which reduces strength, which is why we want it in the first place. Maybe a rail with action specific lug pattern is an option, with a lug centered over each screw, and the screw recessed in the lug with no overlap into the rail.

The best solution is an action with an integral rail.

Yes, apparently most hunters don't have enough sense to demand a robust mount.

Guaranteed to be off center, pos! and not answer enquiries to why their QD rings are not machined to be on the center line of the rifle. Will never deal with these arses again!!!!!

Well, I have several of the steel bases and rings, most QD, and they have all been superb. It’s a great company who prides itself on their products and service. The retired founder, Dave Talley, has been a personal friend for a long time, as has the current president and CEO, Gary Turner, his step son. There are no finer people.

No outfit is perfect, and I’m quite sure a polite call will get any issues fixed.

Yes, and integral rail as part of the action would be great. Defiance does it with a few of their actions in different ways but I haven't handled one....just from pictures it looks as high as an added rail....but I don't know that for sure. Strength would certainly be a plus. At a low height, with a multi-slotted section over the front and rear, this would be the perfect answer.

Concerning rail height, the Burris XT two piece shows it can be done....but they used steel, not aluminum. They have holes in non-mil spaced lugs and in these have plenty of room to use bigger screw heads. Their screw heads seem small to me, but I've not had one give yet and I'm running them on a light weight .308 (19 oz scope/APA rings), and a .375 Ruger (22 oz scope/Seekins rings).

Integral rings like JM pointed out are crazy strong , near alpha hunters are crazy strong but expensive. Burris makes a low 2 piece pic mount and Farrell and APA make low rings.

I believe that Talley switched the metallurgy in their LWs to a cheaper alloy several years ago (10 maybe)? The OP may have one of the oldest pairs of the "new" rings, which seem prone to breaking in the exact manner that he describes.
Like usual, a specialty company that produces a solid product eventually tries to save $ by using cheaper materials, and their end product quality goes down the drain. Leupold did the same. I wouldn't doubt that at some point, SWFA and burris does the same.

I've still got a few pairs of older lightweights that are going strong but their newer stuff just isn't worth buying. I don't care how good a warranty is if a guy has to use it often.

With over two dozen, my experience is quite different.

The chicken-[bleep] screws are the weakest linking the base to the receiver but you can only go so big. I've had nothing but excellent luck with Talley for twenty plus years and dozens of ring/base combos.

I still don't understand why Talley doesn't offer a set of rings called "Wackers".

They figure most folks already have a pair of those.

A pair?

I imagine most guys only have one.......