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I've seen 105's hit the target damn near sideways in a 9 twist.


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Did anyone ever buy one of these? If so, how is it working out? Also curious if flush fit magazines will work with these.

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The big problem is not twist but mag length even with 103 EldX hornday now discontinued when seated deep to the point of the ogive the load is 2.915" LONG and won't fit short action magazines. So why spend the cash bldg one with a long action ,tight twist to hopefully get another 100-150 fps when you can get an out the door 6 creed that everything is ready to go? Bordering on falling off the plank for adventure in loonyism.MB


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The Ruger American in 6 mm Remington has a mag length of 2.87" one still won't use many of the long high bc slinkies in this gun. MB 1


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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
The big problem is not twist but mag length even with 103 EldX hornday now discontinued when seated deep to the point of the ogive the load is 2.915" LONG and won't fit short action magazines. So why spend the cash bldg one with a long action ,tight twist to hopefully get another 100-150 fps when you can get an out the door 6 creed that everything is ready to go? Bordering on falling off the plank for adventure in loonyism.MB


When did they discontinue that? Not disappointed; neither Hornady factory nor some handloads I tried won any prizes in my Barret 6CM.


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Can't tell you exactly, but must have been before the 10 th edn of the Hornady handbook of cartridge reloading as it is no longer listed. Maybe it's not,maybe the103 postdates the 10 th edn manual. I thought that was one of the early eld's? whose nose tip melted off in flight.The 10 th shows the 105 gr Amax & 105 tbsp and the 108 ELD M but no 103? Before 2016? MB


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thought the whole advantage of a Creed was that in a short action you could seat the bullet out farther and still fit in the short Magazine gettng more velocity than a 260 for instance. But that's compariing a .260 to a crudmoor in a short action. In a long action that's not a concern. And with a 6mm Remington in a long action you're going to leave anything Crudmoor in the dirt. That's the only advantage I can see. Of course, with the short action there is a precieved degree of rigidity that may add to accuracy but gaining 200-300 FPS or more is a pretty good advantage too.

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Thought about it , local LGS has Interarms Mk x in a custom wood stock 243 win on a long action until I noticed the bulge up past the forend. Even if a guy got it at $250 and a quality 24" 8 twist barrel cut 6mm Rem your gonna have a750+$ custom bastard or 6 creed. Around here you can buy a new Ruger 6 creed for 450 with the AI mag setup. The very one thing you can't find is a inexpensive std 6 mm Rem, collector's gobbled up all the 700's ,788's,600's, 660's, m77r's. Folks know they shoot and don't get rid of them. Which brings us to the Grice limited run . At $399 each + tax otd. Better yet is when you walk into your LGS see 1 of those Grices used with less than a box thru it for $335+ tax otd. Which is where I was yesterday. And yeah they do shoot. MB


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I was a huge 6MM Remington fan for years. Shot great with bullets up to Speer's 105 gr. flat based bullet. The last one I had was on a M98 Mauser action until the barrel wore out and I rebarreled to 270 Win. This was before everyone was drooling over BC numbers and instead actually shot things with drab flat based spitzers and they died without crying about not being shot with a boat tailed bullet.


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Ha ha Rickt you and I must belong to the same generation. I see in the last Nosler reloading manual the 95 grain NBT and a max dose of Rl-22 will still get over 3200 fps,looks like a superb antelope load waiting to happen. MB


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I wouldn't really want the Ruger unless it was a model 77 but maybe someday I will build another 6MM Remington.


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Rick , I had a M77R it was nice looking and working as well as being the most inconsistent accuracy wise rifle I ever owned. Thinking back on it a new barrel would have been the cure. MB


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I have two presently, a 270 and a 257 Roberts. Took forever to get the 257 right but the 270 is a solid better than MOA rifle and was from the start. The 257 finally settled down and shoots almost as well as the 270. A long time ago I got caught up in the messy business of culling some deer off of a ranch. The Biologists said we needed to remove 200 deer! I used my 6MM Remington on around 50 using Hornady's 100 gr. BTSP. Everything was closer than 200 yards and the deer were small and suffering from malnutrition and related diseases. I shot everything either in the shoulder or in the neck and every deer dropped in place. Doesn't prove much but that bullet was very destructive on those under 100 pound deer. They were all so poor you wouldn't think of eating them anyway. I am in the throes of ordering a barrel for a short actioned Remington and trying to figure out what a 6MM Creedmoor could do better than a 6MM Remington. I won't shoot any of the longer bullets but may use the 105 gr. Hornady HPBT some. Seemed that the 6MM Remington actually got pretty good barrel life, better than the 243 maybe.


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I am in about the same place ,no culling experience but over the last 40 years I've piled up the antelope and more than a few deer.95+% of the antelope were dbl lung shots and 100 gr Hornady SP flatbase was a staple I used a lot of, I felt then and still do that they held together better than the boattails . I also used 100 gr Corelokts,95 gr & 100 gr NPT's. My old 243 is about ready to be rebarreled and I'm thinking 6 Creed although it would be less expensive to just buy a new Ruger in 6 Creed. So with a chance at a almost new 6mm Rem for $335 I jumped on it. 3 or 4 weeks back I got in on the SPS 95 gr NBT run of seconds. Far as I'm concerned 243 /6mm are damn near perfect for antelope at normal hunting ranges.. MB


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$335. Hmmmm The barrel I am going to order will cost me that but the action needs one and I have to choose. It seems the best option since Criterion does not offer 6MM Rem as an option is the 6 Creedmoor. At the gunshow I went to Sunday I saw no 6MM Remington ammo but at least ten boxes of 6MM Creedmoor. It is going to be a coyote rifle mostly and any of the chamberings will work fine.


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The thing was I have 6mm Rem dies and 250 rds of brass ,if it wasn't for that I would have bought the 6 creed without over thinking it and might yet they do have a damn short magazine 2.76". Stick usually is right on what works both my 700 and m7 243's have 1 in 9 twists I have a 105 speer load that works as well as a 105 gr A max load that works with 1 in 9 so this 6 with the same should work as well but in case it don't I picked up some 105 hpbt hornady to work with. Mb


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Bought my son a rap in 6mmCR. 103s is all he’s had and it shoots sub MOA. Have a few boxes to reload but not to that point yet.

I always wanted the limited run 260 rem they had.

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I have owned a Ruger 77 Tang gun in 6MM over thirty years now! Someone forgot to tell that gun it couldn't shoot 105 Speers. Cause it shoots the RN & Semi spitzers JUST FINE!!

Love these newbies run to some online scale of yae/Nae and tell ya nope cause they so knowledgeable from Shooting for decades. wink

Just like my ol 1:12 223 that shoots 62g surplus under MOA. But on line calculators say NOPE 55g tops!

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legend SUBSONIC!! I get just a hint of a tail wag but its aslo shooting A repeatable 2 moa for me. PLENTY good for a subsonic caliber.

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