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Thoughts or speculation on traveling to South Africa, summer of 2021 for a hunt?

Will it be possible? I'd like to finally go - and I suspect that there will be some good deals offered since 2020 was likely a pretty dismal year due to travel restrictions.

Anticipated problems for 2021?

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Call up some booking agents and discuss what you want and what they anticipate for 2021.


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Many 2020 hunts have been pushed into 2021. Better get booked before the SHOWS in Dec/Jan/Feb.

Just got my full refund from Delta for joberg cancellation this year.

Good luck and health to all going in 2021.

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Well, let us all believe and assume that 2021 will be a better year than what we have now and we can go back to our respective lives of our hunting adventure.

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mygrade1 is correct on hunts being pushed back to 2021. Personally I won't be putting any $$ down on a hunt until I know the country is open and you can fly there and get home.

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I would be surprised that the shows happen. I am not thinking a return to Africa (Caprivi in mind) for a couple of years at least.


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Pretty much everyone who was going this year (or any international hunt for that matter) will be pushing to next year or later if not getting a refund.

I would look to 2022 or later and would book through a reputable agent who can help you navigate through this as I’m sure there will be some new things to be aware of when hunting in Africa resumes for international travelers. As others stated, would not tie a lot of money up until things are more certain. A very small deposit for the dates you want and that’s it.


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Originally Posted by muygrande1
Many 2020 hunts have been pushed into 2021. Better get booked before the SHOWS in Dec/Jan/Feb.

Just got my full refund from Delta for joberg cancellation this year.

Good luck and health to all going in 2021.


Unless a vaccine is developed, I doubt there will be shows next year. The US embassy in Zim is closed until January, as are others, and African outfitters need visas to attend shows. I have pushed 2 safaris from this year to next but who knows?

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I don't think anyone has the slightest idea when African hunting will reopen. When will a vaccine be available? How long will it take to produce it? Who knows? What if 25% of people say they won't take it? I'm glad I went when I did.


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Gents:

One of the guys going with me to Bots in Aug 2021 has been signed up with the US State Dept. and the US Embassy in Botswana. The US Embassy there (Botswana) emails out periodic updates for Bots and other neighboring countries. He forwarded the email he received earlier today regarding South Africa's announced "re-opening" of its boarders to international tourist travel. I've cut and pasted it below in its entirety. Now, this is just for those traveling into and staying IN RSA for even one night. You CAN still transit through Johannesburg to another open country AS LONG AS YOU REMAIN WITHIN THE TRANSIT AREA OF THE TERMINAL.

> From: ConsularGaboronestate.gov
> Date: October 5, 2020 at 9:35:51 AM CDT
> Subject: Health Alert: U.S. Embassy Gaborone, Botswana (10/05/2020)
> Reply-To: <ConsularGaboronestate.gov
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> Health Alert – U.S. Embassy Gaborone, Botswana (10/05/2020)
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> Location: Botswana
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> Event: New South Africa Travel Regulations
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> The Government of South Africa has announced an easing of travel restrictions and border closures as of October 1, 2020.
> From: ConsularGaboronestate.gov
> Date: October 5, 2020 at 9:35:51 AM CDT
> Subject: Health Alert: U.S. Embassy Gaborone, Botswana (10/05/2020)
> Reply-To: <ConsularGaboronestate.gov>
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> Health Alert – U.S. Embassy Gaborone, Botswana (10/05/2020)
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> Location: Botswana
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> Event: New South Africa Travel Regulations
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> The Government of South Africa has announced an easing of travel restrictions and border closures as of October 1, 2020.
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> The 18 land borders into South Africa that were partially operational are now fully operational. The 35 land borders that were closed remained closed. The list of borders and their status can be found here.
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> Three airports are now operational for business and leisure travel to South Africa: OR Tambo (Johannesburg), Cape Town International (Cape Town), and King Shaka International (Durban). However, flights from Botswana have not yet resumed and international flights to and from Botswana remain suspended at this time.

> Travelers from high risk countries are not permitted entry to South Africa for leisure. A high risk country is any country with higher numbers of COVID infections and deaths than South Africa. This means travelers from all African countries may currently enter South Africa for business or leisure. The United States is considered a high risk country and leisure travel from the United States is not permitted. Travelers holding U.S. passports may only enter South Africa leisure if they have been in a medium or low risk country for 10 days prior to departure to South Africa.
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> The list of high risk countries as of today can be found here. https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-afr...eleases-updated-list-high-risk-countries

> The following rules apply to all travelers entering South Africa:
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> · Travelers must present a negative Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) COVID-19 test conducted by and signed by a certified medical practitioner not older than 72 hours from the time of their departure for South Africa.
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> · Travelers must follow all South African COVID-19 protocols including wearing masks at all times in public spaces, social distancing, and following hygiene regulations.
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> · All travelers must have the appropriate visa prior to entering South Africa. This means U.S. citizens traveling on U.S. passports to South Africa for business or leisure must have the appropriate visa prior to travel. Contact the South African High Commission in Botswana for further information and confirmation of the documentary requirements for travel.
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> · Travelers must present proof of their accommodation address in South Africa.
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> · All travelers will undergo COVID-19 screening at the Port of Entry. Those exhibiting symptoms will be required to take a COVID-19 PCR test at their own cost. If they are positive, they will be required to enter a designated quarantine site for 10 days minimum at their own cost.
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> · All travelers must have international medical insurance in case of mandatory testing and quarantine or medical treatment.
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> · The Government of South Africa encourages all travelers to download their COVID-Alert APP which notifies subscribers and provides guidance in case of contact with a person who has tested positive for COVID-19.
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> Please note that Botswana’s travel regulations have not changed. Botswana’s borders are still closed to those without Botswana citizenship or residence permits, and all travelers will be subject to mandatory testing and 14-day quarantine upon re-entry to Botswana from South Africa.
The 18 land borders into South Africa that were partially operational are now fully operational. The 35 land borders that were closed remained closed. The list of borders and their status can be found here.
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> Three airports are now operational for business and leisure travel to South Africa: OR Tambo (Johannesburg), Cape Town International (Cape Town), and King Shaka International (Durban). However, flights from Botswana have not yet resumed and international flights to and from Botswana remain suspended at this time.
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> Please note that Botswana’s travel regulations have not changed. Botswana’s borders are still closed to those without Botswana citizenship or residence permits, and all travelers will be subject to mandatory testing and 14-day quarantine upon re-entry to Botswana from South Africa.





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Yeah, that's why I said what I said about USA citizens traveling over there. Having anything to do with SA puts yourself at serious risk of being sent home, quarantined, etc. I wouldn't touch SA with a 20ft pole for a few months. They (SA) sometimes seem to make the rules up as they go, or change their mind at the flip of a switch, half the folks over there who should know the rules have no idea what the rules are, or at least act like it, etc.


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They (SA) sometimes seem to make the rules up as they go, or change their mind at the flip of a switch, half the folks over there who should know the rules have no idea what the rules are, or at least act like it, etc.


Thats what majority rule will get you.


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Don't conflate RSA with all of Africa.

As of yesterday, only Botswana is completely closed to non-Botswana citizens/resident card holders, other than logistical/transport (truckers) workers.

RSA is open to basically RSA citizens and regional African countries and limited non-leisure (business) international travelers with limitations/requirements stated above. US passport holders, as well as others CAN transit through Johannesburg Airport en-route to another country. Travelers just can NOT leave the transit side of the airport. Means no overnight stay a the City Lodge Hotel, Protea Hotel on the airport grounds or other off airport grounds lodging.

Southern African Countries currently open to business and leisure travel (tourism/hunting) are Namibia, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe that I am aware of, if you can sort out the airline transport in/out.

There are US guys going to the "open" countries for the past few weeks. As in all things, if an individual feels/believes the risks are to great, by all means don't go. This will be pretty much all moot in a few weeks as most of the "open" countries hunting seasons, with some private land exceptions and non-regulated game species, will be generally closed if not closed already. Most countries "official" hunting seasons won't begin again until Feb-Apr of 2021, depending on the country.

If someone is interested in booking for next year to lock in some really good deals, I'd say do it. Just make sure the outfitter doesn't require a "non-refundable" deposit or maybe willing to wait until 3-4 months before you actually arrive to wire over funds/deposits. As bad as the operators over there are seriously hurting financially, the reputable ones will understand the client's trepidation and "make a plan" that you both can live with.

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Originally Posted by Cascade
Thoughts or speculation on traveling to South Africa, summer of 2021 for a hunt?

Will it be possible? I'd like to finally go - and I suspect that there will be some good deals offered since 2020 was likely a pretty dismal year due to travel restrictions.

Anticipated problems for 2021?

Thanks, Guy

I do not anticipate any unforeseen problem for 2021, the vaccines are almost ready, the election is next month and yes, 2021 will be great and bring good fortunes to our way!


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I'm headed to S.Africa in April. The hard part right now is trying to book air travel.


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the RSA just opened to travelers from all countries! I bet one could get a heck of a good price on a hunt if they are will to travel and hunt this December.


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Worldwide, as of now, all sorts of stuff is closing down. My state has a curfew from 10:00PM until 5:00 AM. Restaurans are closed in some states. Schools are closed. The UK health director is even talking about postponing Christmas until June.

I would not plan to go to Africa until 2022 if then, and would only decide as 2021 draws near a close.


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My trip for 2020 has been moved to May - June 2021 and plane tickets are bought. However, even though RSA is open for tourist, I don’t think any flights from US are traveling there. Not 100% certain we will be going at this time until a vaccine is in place.

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One of my buddies wants me to go to SA in July. I should be hunting elk right now but my trip was canceled last week because I developed Covid..

I do not want to be in SA and develop Covid. That would mean I could not fly home and would be have to quarantine in SA. Worse yet, if I really got ill I would be dependent on SA healthcare.

Hunters really need to think this through. Until this mess is behind us, I'm not going anyplace where my truck can't get me home.

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As of today, anyone entering RSA (entry by air only at present) must show a negative Covid test done within the previous 72 hours. That means for example, if you went to Zim or any of the surrounding countries via RSA, and then wanted to return to the US via RSA, you would need to get a Covid test in Zim before you reentered RSA. Sounds pretty questionable at present.

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Have been sorting out travel to/from Southern Africa (Botswana specifically) that past several days and posted what I sorted out for there, while working with a travel agent that specializes in travel to Africa from the US. Since the OP is asking about South Africa specifically:

1. RSA is currently open to US travelers. You will need a current neg PCR test for Rona to get on a flt over. Current means, results were negative within 72 hrs of arriving Jberg. In addition to the "normal" thermal image they do of your face just before you hit the immigration/passport control desks, you can also expect to possibly be given a PCR test on arrival.

2. What happens if you test positive? A LOT of the outfitters have had their facilities "certified" as Covid Quarantine facilities. Means you'd have to go directly from the airport to the outfitters place and no side trips. Once on the outfitters property, you can hunt, but only on the property contiguous to his camp. Means you can't hop from area to area and back to main camp. When you leave, you'll need to have a neg Rona test to get back on the plane to the US. PCR tests are supposedly readily available and also at the airport in Jberg. What neither I or the travel agent could sort out is IF you test positive in Jberg, and IF you have a connecting flt inside RSA if you'd be able to board the connecting flt. My money guess would be, "not" but being driven directly to camp would be allowed.

3. Current as of the last few days, is US citizens CAN return to the US from RSA if you have a neg PCR test. You MAY or MAY NOT be required to do a PCR test at the US port of entry or not and be "asked" not "required" to self quarantine at home for a week.

All this is highly flexible and can change but it's the best info I can find at this time.

There are some smoking good deals being offered in RSA now and if you're flexible you could pick up some hunts for prices that might not last too long.

There are airlines that will get you from the US to Jberg: Lufthansa, Swiss Air, Qatar Air, Turkish Air, Ethiopian Air and if Emirates is not open now, they will be very soon. Delta and Continental have CNX's all flts to Jberg and I don't remember when they will try to resume.

Again, all of this is the best I can find at this moment. Everything is constantly moving/changing.

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We canceled Jan 2nd, 2020 and the advice we got this year was that realistically, plan for 2022.

And so, that's what we're doing....


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I’m passing through Joberg in September heading to Kasane Botswana, then onward by car to Namibia. Going over I go from Atlanta to Doha. I’m hoping this crazy crap will subside by then or it will be a logistical nightmare to satisfy the timelines and requirements for 4-5 countries.....

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Our Delta flights for end of May have been cancelled and we are working with our outfitter to try and push to the fall, realistically we probably will not be going until next year. BTW this is a hunt that was booked and payed for before all of this mess started, was originally scheduled to go May of 2020.

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TNDave - unless Delta is the only airline you'll fly on, there are several other routes/airlines that will get you to RSA. Qatar, Ethiopian, Lufthansa, Turkish and if not now, soon Emirates.

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I'm booked for RSA in late august/early Sept on Delta. I'm hopeful things will go off without a hitch. With the relaxing of quarantine for exposure for fully vaccinated individuals put out by CDC this week I'm more confident there will be similar policies regarding travel in the coming weeks.


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TNDave - unless Delta is the only airline you'll fly on, there are several other routes/airlines that will get you to RSA. Qatar, Ethiopian, Lufthansa, Turkish and if not now, soon Emirates.


Do these airlines fly direct to RSA from the US? The Delta flight was a direct flight from Atlanta to Joburg. I did that in 2018. I had plans to return this year but have already pushed to 2022 and have those dates locked. If I could find a direct flight from the US to RSA by another carrier I may try to go later this year as there are deals to be had!


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C Roy - Sorry but as of NOW, there are not any direct flights from the US to RSA that I am aware off.

Pre-Rona, there was Delta out of Atlanta and SAA out of JFK and Dulles. Just after the Rona lockdowns lifted, Delta and Continental tried to open direct routes to RSA again, but shut them off again just recently. Nothing certain when they will bring them back on-line.

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In my opinion if you get the chance to go this yr go the outfitters can only survive so long without clients.

I am taking over 12 guys in April our united go canceled and we rebooked on Qatar not a big deal.
Also going again in July with clients and flying United then.

If you are going us a quality agent like TWG that can help you make the changes and all will be good if you need to rearrange things.


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I'm hearing that Covid-19 cases including the "new strain" are spiking in RSA, be careful.

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I’m setting my sights on 2023. Wish 2021 was my year but new jobs and time constraints make 2023 my goal.
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