24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
When all the stores in the big cities have been looted out, & closed or boarded up?

Where does the line get drawn & this stopped, once & for all or is this the new norm to continue indefinitely?

Everyone is paying for the looting, one way or another.......................

Excellent article from "The Federalist"

Looting is Reparations & OK

Where Black Lives Matter Rioters Learned To Call Looting ‘Reparations’

What rioters on the street hear as 'it's okay to steal from people who have more stuff than I do' in NPR and The Atlantic's offices sound like 'The Case for Reparations.'

By Joy Pullmann

AUGUST 19, 2020

In Chicago this summer, Black Lives Matter protesters have repeatedly called for committing crimes as vengeance for claimed racial injustice. A few days ago, marchers in Millennium Park unfurled huge banners, one of which proclaimed “loot it all back.”


March organizers called for the banner to lead the march, according to Grace Del Vecchio, a local writer onsite who also provided video.


After widespread looting in the city as part of ongoing civil unrest accompanied by a crime wave, on Aug. 11 local Black Lives Matter leader Ariel Atkins openly defended looting as “reparations,” according to local outlets.

After 100 looters were arrested and 13 police officers injured by mobs on a protest-enabled crime spree, she said this: “I don’t care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci’s or a Macy’s or a Nike because that makes sure that that person eats. That makes sure that that person has clothes. That’s a reparation,” Atkins said. “Anything they want to take, take it, because these businesses have insurance.”

In a TV interview after Atkins’s comments, while not openly endorsing property crime, Black Lives Matter Chicago cofounder Aislinn Pulley failed to flatly condemn looting as a part of her group’s tactics. Instead she called discussions about looting a “preoccupation” that “works to distract away from the actual cause of the outrage.”

Pulley also implied that rampant property crimes decimating Democrat-run cities like Chicago during ongoing summer protests are not the fault of those committing them, but the fault of voters and elected officials who don’t do what she wants: “The refusal to enact any meaningful change will mean that we will have continued instances like this…We will continue to have unrest, intercommunal violence and these things until the root causes are resolved.”

In other words, don’t blame the criminals, blame the laws they’re breaking and the people enforcing those laws. Just like this admitted ATM robber and his friends say, we need to focus on “what can be done for this man to feel like he don’t need to loot again.” It’s our fault he tried to loot an ATM, you see. We’re responsible for his feelings and actions, not him.


These ideas are not simply isolated, fringe, and from random rabble-rousers. They were also proclaimed to the world on CNN by New York Times lead 1619 Project writer Nikole Hannah-Jones. An interview with Christine Amanpour included this exchange:

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: You’ve said, among other things, ‘people who have been left out of the social contract find no need to adhere it.’ Somebody, sort of, checked you on that and said, ‘not left out, but excluded from the social contract.’ And you agreed with being term-checked.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES: Absolutely. You are asking whose communities have been looted for decades, don’t have proper schools, don’t have proper amenities. When we see someone killed by the police, that is the worse manifestation of police violence, but it doesn’t get to the daily violence that doesn’t end in death, or the daily degradation that black Americans face. The fact that these communities have been prayed upon by predatory lenders, it goes on and on. When we think about someone taking something from some big-box name store, it is symbolic. That one pair of shoes that you stole from Footlocker is not going to change your life, but it is a symbolic taking.

Retired prison psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple points out that a refusal to take responsibiliy for one’s own actions and life is a hallmark of criminals and the underclass, aided and abetted by elites who exploit the poor for lucrative careers managing the downtrodden.

The idea that the existence of evil in the world justifies adding more is enabled by a slew of publicly funded white-collar professionals who make bank stoking racial tensions. What rioters on the street hear as “it’s okay to steal from people who have more stuff than I do” in The New York Times, NPR, and The Atlantic’s offices sound like “The Case for Reparations.”

“The case I make for reparations is, virtually every institution with some degree of history in America, be it public, be it private, has a history of extracting wealth and resources out of the African-American community,” reprised Ta-Nehisi Coates to The New Yorker in 2019 of his 2014 Atlantic essay that brought the idea mainstream among elites. “I think what has often been missing—this is what I was trying to make the point of in 2014—that behind all of that oppression was actually theft. In other words, this is not just mean. This is not just maltreatment. This is the theft of resources out of that community.”

In other words, we can steal from you, because you stole from us first. This spirit of revenge is the sentiment behind much of the recent resurgence in identity politics grievances and anti-American hatred. The United States stole land from Native Americans. Therefore we owe them welfare outlays and so-called sovereignty over reservations in perpetuity, as well as copious white tears.

The United States stole blood, sweat, and tears from enslaved Africans. Therefore, the country owes people it has not enslaved white guilt all the way to the point of undoing all the good things about America. As well as power and money — lots and lots of money, in the form of university and Smithsonian Institution sinecures for the white-collar aggrieved, and a bit of looting for the blue-collar aggrieved to supplement their subsidized housing and groceries.


Reparations are simply legalized looting, dressed up in fancy justifications for TV. The reasons are myriad, starting with the fact that no living American today owned slaves. The vast majority of Americans never owned slaves.

In addition, since the days of slavery, immigrants joined the United States by the tens of millions. Thus the vast majority of Americans living today do not even have ancestors who enslaved anyone. Even that presumes that it is right to punish children for the sins of their fathers, which is an injustice if I ever heard of one.

It also presumes that the death, dismemberment, and economic hardships the Civil War caused are not a sufficient punishment upon the nation for its sin of slavery. These are big presumptions, and they deserve open debate in which they could be fairly proven wrong or at least doubted, not pressuring people to leave them uncontested under pain of being called a racist so we can move on to the looting — excuse me, reparations.

Excusing violence against other people’s person and property is even part of the so-called American justice system in some places using the same rationales, as recent reporting by Empower Wisconsin illustrates. Dane County Circuit Court Judge Everett Mitchell “made headlines as the University of Wisconsin’s director of community relations when he said prosecutors should go easy on shoplifters at ‘big box’ stores.”

“I just don’t think that they should be prosecuting cases … for people who steal from Wal-Mart,” Everett said. “I don’t think Target or all them [sic] other places, the big boxes that have insurance, that they should be using … the fact that people steal from there, justification to start engaging in aggressive police practices.”

Notice that this man, formerly employed in a public institution of supposed higher education and now charged with executing the laws as a judge, voiced the exact same conclusion a Black Lives Matter leader did: It’s okay to steal from people who have more than you do. I’ll give you one guess at which side of the political spectrum both of these individuals would place themselves on.

“As a judge, Mitchell has been a ‘social justice’ activist on the bench, handing out light sentences — or no sentences — to repeat offenders,” Empower Wisconsin reporter Matt Kittle writes.

There is also evidence from other parts of the “social justice” agenda that much of today’s far left, the source of the Democratic Party’s energy today, sees racial grievances as a justification for legalized plunder. Take, for example, the demand of Chicago’s protesters to steal a place to live — i.e., “cancel rents and mortgages.”

The implication is that people should just get things because they want them, and their desires alone justify taking it from other people. As with the looting, there’s no mention of work, reciprocity, or any other form of assuming responsibility for one’s own life.

Despite the obvious injustice of redistributing wealth and power according to ancestry that reparations entail, support for it is high among influential Americans and growing among the left’s ignorant ground troops. It is fomented by making Americans believe racism is rampant, even though research suggests the United States may be the least racist country in the world.

Against the reality, 56 percent of American voters currently agree “American society is racist,” found a July Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. “In other signs of substantial shifts in views on race, more voters see racial bias as a feature of American society and support protests aimed at addressing it,” the journal said.

The poll uncovered a jump from zero Americans thinking white people are discriminated against in all earlier polls to 15 percent in its latest rendition, in July 2020. While there were big jumps in perceptions of discrimination against all politically potent racial groups, the perception of anti-white racism was by far the largest percentage increase.

As numerous observers have pointed out, pushing Americans to think of themselves in terms of skin color and to allocate resources according to a politicized ethnicity scrum is a very, very dangerous game. Those playing it are currently winning big. But the nation stands to lose everything.


Joy Pullmann is executive editor of The Federalist, a happy wife, and the mother of six children. Her newest ebooks are"Classic Books for Young Children" and "32 Classic Games You Can Play Anywhere." @JoyPullmann is also the author of "The Education Invasion: How Common Core Fights Parents for Control of American Kids," from Encounter Books.

GB1

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 18,996
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 18,996
Somewhere they can get away with it.

They pick easy targets.



I think they are afraid of rednecks. 😆o


Dave

�The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it.� Lou Holtz



Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 13,021
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 13,021
Watched a history show last night on the 1527 sack of Rome. Our future. The police (Swiss Guard) were overwhelmed and the pillage was complete. After many months with no sanitation and dead bodies everywhere a plague set in and ended the pillaging but everything was already destroyed anyway. Again, our future at least for the bigger cities.


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
Originally Posted by Hastings
Again, our future at least for the bigger cities.


Very likely; I see it getting worse in the big cities for years as I just don't think that the situation can be repaired in less than a generation or two, if ever, tourism to the big cities is absolutely dead right this minute................I will not even go for necessary business.

Question is, what happens as the cities become completely looted & there's nothing more to loot & steal there.................then what, in the near term? How fast & how far does the chaos spread?

I don't know.....................

MM

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,290
Campfire Kahuna
Online Content
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,290
It'll last until Americans fight back. It'll require bloodshed to stop it.


“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
― George Orwell

It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
IC B2

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
I'm thinkin' you're right, likely on both counts.

MM

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 29,625
E
efw Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
E
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 29,625
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
It'll last until Americans fight back. It'll require bloodshed to stop it.


Absolutely true but note that the vast majority (if not all) has gone on in urban areas with extreme gun control in place and I gotta believe that is by design.

It certainly sheds light upon what they might do under a Harris Presidency once she puts exec orders in place to infringe upon our 2A rights.

Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 15,512
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 15,512
99% of criminals always are seeking a means to escape blame - they feel zero personal responsibility for any misdeeds - and the BLM apologists are no different. The politicians in various US cities who accept such disgrace and do nothing to stop the criminals are sacrificing their cities to a rotten ideology. The voters who put those politicians into place are reaping the fruits of their own citizen behavior. It's a mess - but perfectly predictable.


NRA Member - Life, Benefactor, Patron
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 26,456
R
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 26,456
Had a local "Back the Blue" march/get together Saturday in a nearby locale down here in redneck land aka Appalachia.
Hosted at the local VFW hall.
BLM decided to show up[and their azz], they lasted about 10 minutes.
Minutes after the BLM idgits showed up a Virginians forTrump/Pence bus rolled in.
The timing was impeccable!


FJB & FJT
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 8,866
M
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
M
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 8,866
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
It'll last until Americans fight back. It'll require bloodshed to stop it.



Rock Chuck is on the money here. While most conservatives want to live within the law this will last until one who has spent his whole life building a business that supports him and his employees snaps and waits for the brick to come thru his store window followed by the looters. He will be waiting with a 12 ga. riot gun or an AR-15 with a pile of loaded mags, fire alarm and sprinkler system will be ready in case of a molotov cocktail and he won't stop shooting until he is out of ammo, because after the first one the rest are free .Reparations my ass. Damn few insurance companies cover " acts of war or whatever you rationalize it to be". It might have to happen more than once but it will happen, not everybody will standby and let sjws have their way.


" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
IC B3

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 11,262
W
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
W
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 11,262
This garbage will loot wherever they want to. With little to no punch back from our side, why wouldn’t they? I think the illegal Mexicans will stand up for America before Caucasians will. We appear to be a defenseless people at this point.

Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,576
J
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
J
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,576


Do you all remember the Rodney King riots? When that was going on the looting was being allowed as it is now, except it didn't last as long. I remember hearing of a Korean neighborhood in LA, I think, and those people armed themselves. I believe they did end up shooting some of the scum but the scum found easier prey when they saw they were going to get hurt or killed. The same should happen again.



It's no accident that this violence is taking place where there is no armed public. Imagine being in an apartment building and watching from an upper story window as the scum tried to set it on fire. Now imagine several of your neighbors opening fire on them. A very legitimate reason to do so too. Where there is a fear of being killed by the general public this won't go on, for now anyway. It seems to me the clock is ticking if all of this persist.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
Originally Posted by Jim1611


the clock is ticking if all of this persist.


Oh, to be sure, it will persist until there is some incentive to stop.....................when it becomes painful to them to continue, then it will stop.

Otherwise, there is just no reason to stop unless they run out of places to loot, then they'd either have to stop or find new fertile ground to work.

BLM = Burn, Loot, Murder.

MM

Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 9,896
H
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
H
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 9,896
Is there some sort of downside to dummycrap cities burning to the ground? Make sure the post offices get burnt as well, so there's no place to mail in fraudulent "votes" in November. Win- - - -Win!


Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever!
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 44,146
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 44,146
Originally Posted by BigDave39355
Somewhere they can get away with it.

They pick easy targets.



I think they are afraid of rednecks. 😆o




Stay in your pussy cities, scumbags. Or you can come down here and get some.


Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.

Rehabilitation is way overrated.

Orwell wasn't wrong.

GOA member
disappointed NRA member

24HCF SEARCH
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 734
R
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
R
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 734
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Is there some sort of downside to dummycrap cities burning to the ground? Make sure the post offices get burnt as well, so there's no place to mail in fraudulent "votes" in November. Win- - - -Win!


I agree with this, let their city burn until they wake up and see what voting Democrap gets them. Let the big corps leave for other cities in red states... if there is any Republicans left in those crap holes, I hope they get out and move to somewhere like Arizona and Texas to even out the massive influx of Californians trying to take over those states...The people in these citiies stopped being "Americans" long ago and became Socialists by giving up their freedoms with the votes they cast...Now they are reaping what they have sewn. Just don't ask us taxpayers in other states to rebuild it for you...

Last edited by Ramdiesel; 08/19/20.
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 10,488
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 10,488
Whatever happened to the " YOU LOOT WE SHOOT" signs that appeared after hurricane Katrina and weren't there some also seen during the Rodney King riots ? Or possibly the MSM won't show stuff like that anymore.

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 30,945
A
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
A
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 30,945
Everyone single one of you should watch this:



Dave says.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,624
I've seen no reports of any of that anywhere & no reports of any real resistance to any of the looting anywhere either....................but most of it is taking place in cities or states with tight guns regs, except maybe for Atlanta.

MM


Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

533 members (219DW, 204guy, 1936M71, 17CalFan, 160user, 1beaver_shooter, 48 invisible), 1,857 guests, and 1,057 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,182
Posts18,465,649
Members73,925
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.071s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8899 MB (Peak: 1.0481 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-24 12:44:38 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS