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"All things work together for Good". #15169546 08/26/20
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What do you think?

A lot of things have happened to me that did not seem so good at the time.
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I agree. You are absolutely right and we can trust God 100%.

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Some of what we learn after a lot of livin'.


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Re: "All things work together for Good". [Re: wabigoon] #15169581 08/26/20
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wabigoon;
Good afternoon sir, I hope the day's been treating you folks right and all in your sphere are well.

That was my late father's favorite verse and despite half a lifetime of ill health, trials and tribulations he'd often quote it to me and believed it with all his heart.

What I've come to believe is that sometimes - if we're truly servants - then we're only vessels sometimes and what's happening to us isn't about us at all.

I'll wish you the best now and attempt to articulate and illustrate what I mean, but it's going to take a few.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
A lot of things have happened to me that did not seem so good at the time.
I think a great many of us can relate to that.

Just because God can work incredible good out of unspeakable tragedies doesn't mean that He orchestrated the tragedies. Just because He used something bad doesn’t mean that He caused it...or that He needed it to accomplish His purposes.

“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.”

There ‘is’ an enemy, and he is out to sway us with hardships and troubles.


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Originally Posted by BC30cal
wabigoon;
What I've come to believe is that sometimes - if we're truly servants - then we're only vessels sometimes and what's happening to us isn't about us at all.

Well said!

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Jonah may have had his wonderments at times. Job all the more so.


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Wish i loved HIM more so some things would work out even mobetter. frown

Id like to talk to HIM about that little dead greasewood twig through my new tire. eek

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Anyone believe there is any predestation involved?


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Nope.


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DONT BE GETTING ANY CORONA ON YA

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
What do you think?

A lot of things have happened to me that did not seem so good at the time.
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I’ve never considered myself to be at a level where I can judge for myself what’s good for me or not and the older I get the more clearly I see it.

The Heidelberg Catechism puts it nicely in its answer to question#1, “What is your only comfort in life & in death?”:

“That I am not my own,
but belong with body and soul,
both in life and in death,
to my faithful Saviour Jesus Christ.
He has fully paid for all my sins
with his precious blood,
and has set me free
from all the power of the devil.
He also preserves me in such a way
that without the will of my heavenly Father
not a hair can fall from my head;
indeed, all things must work together
for my salvation.

Therefore, by his Holy Spirit
he also assures me
of eternal life.
and makes me heartily willing and ready
from now on to live for him.”

I serve a God who has directed all of history in such a way as to call His people back to communion with Himself. Surely He can direct my little world whether I can see it or not.

Usually it’s the latter...


Don't you ever wonder why
In spite of all that's wrong here
There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

The thunder rolls and the baby sighs
And the rain comes down
Don't you wanta thank someone for this?
-Andrew Peterson
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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Anyone believe there is any predestination involved?
Nope.

He may have predetermined my purpose...but not my free will. I have the choice to accept or reject my purpose.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Anyone believe there is any predestation involved?

Originally Posted by jaguartx
Nope.


Huh?

How can God be God if He hasn’t “...chose(n) us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him”? (Eph 1:4)

For that matter, how can God’s word be inerrant if that isn’t the case? Of course there is predestination involved; God said so!


Don't you ever wonder why
In spite of all that's wrong here
There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

The thunder rolls and the baby sighs
And the rain comes down
Don't you wanta thank someone for this?
-Andrew Peterson
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In the case of Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers, I'd think there was both predestation, and Joseph feeling let down by God.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Some of what we learn after a lot of livin'.

wabigoon;
Here's the story which I believe illustrates my reasons for believing the way I've come to believe.

In the fall of 2003, as I was doing some of the final touches on a 6 month renovation - during which time we'd been evacuated for a forest fire, had to bury my much loved father and have the reno go completely over budget for time and money - at the end of that I managed to tangle my left hand in the table saw and did my best to remove all 4 fingers.

Since I didn't completely remove them, I went for surgery and subsequently in the fullness of time needed to go for physio therapy.

One of the basic tenets I've come to live by is to be very intentional in communicating who I am and what I believe as quickly as polite conversation allows. I've found life is easier for all parties if this is accomplished, so in short order my physio lady knew I was a married father who worked with horses and hunted.

As an aside wabigoon, I've had a few folks comment that I look "exactly like that" - sometimes when it's not meant as a compliment!

Upon entering the room then I dropped my cowboy hat on the chair on top of my Carhartt jacket and sat down, making the aforementioned introductions as she worked on my hand.

While I can't recall exactly what we talked about, I felt she asked a fair number of questions of me while being fairly thrifty about her information, but I felt that was her prerogative and carried on.

During the second visit, partially through the hour long session as we chatted, she stopped and looked me in the eye and said the following...

"I grew up in an atheistic family who were also devout vegans. When I became a physiotherapist, I went to the US to finish my training and there met my husband who is a devout Christian."

She continued, "I converted to Christianity and he became a vegetarian for me, as well as moving up here to Canada with me. We had a little boy who is now 2 (I believe that was the age - sorry) and we have been praying asking God for specific answers to some parenting questions. We've had our care group praying for us as well."

At this point wabigoon she looked me in the eyes, not super happy at all and she continued, "When you came in the other day you answered one of those questions and I didn't say anything at the time"..

I muttered something about, "God does work in mysterious ways I guess..." and she cut me off..

"No you don't get it!" she was now raising her voice, but she had a hold of my hand so I wasn't going anywhere, you know?

"I went home from work and told my husband, not that little cowboy! God can't send that little cowboy after praying all this time! He stands for everything I hate"

For once in my life I was speechless wabigoon. I looked into her eyes praying fervently for wisdom, as that's a bit of a tough position to comment intelligently from if you know where I'm coming from.

Her eyes narrowed and she then said, "Since you've been here today you've answered two more, so I guess you're it and I'm still not really happy with God about it." laugh

You have to understand wabigoon that from that time until the last physio session, I began the session with at least 5 minutes of prayer asking God for wisdom because this rough around the edges, part time cowboy didn't feel like I had much to share....

In the final analysis then wabigoon and in all honestly, I really didn't learn a whole lot when I stuck my hand in the saw. I'd still get impatient and do stupid things with power tools and equipment, though I'd been learning to control my temper with the horses by then - another story for another day.

But that all said, I've come to believe it was about her, her husband and their son. In that case all things did work together for good or hopefully I can be forgiven for believing that to be true.

Lastly I'd think that if we'd have gone to the same church - which we were several towns apart so wouldn't have happened, she wouldn't have approached a guy with a mountain sheep belt buckle and buckaroo style cowboy boots on you know?

They're Boulett by the way which is the brand of choice I believe for Sam Olson - a stylish rancher if ever there was one. cool

All the best to you folks wabigoon.

Dwayne



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Originally Posted by wabigoon
In the case of Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers,...
What they intended for him was his harm, but...God used it for his good.


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Thank you every so much Dwayne.


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Now I'm thinking on my on my old , ever believe you've done "Angel Duty"? Much as Dwayne described.


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Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by wabigoon
In the case of Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers,...
What they intended for him was his harm, but...God used it for his good.


You could say He “predestined” it for good.

Like when He hardened Pharaoh’s heart...


Don't you ever wonder why
In spite of all that's wrong here
There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

The thunder rolls and the baby sighs
And the rain comes down
Don't you wanta thank someone for this?
-Andrew Peterson
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I think the good spoken of in verse 28 is revealed in verse 29.....that they may be conformed to the likeness of His Son.

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