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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Yeah I don't see the point of letting murderers live - they have forfeited any "right" to rehabilitation. Their victims don't get any further chances for anything. On Australia Day here in Brisbane we had a juvenile on drugs in a stolen car kill a young couple (the woman also happened to be pregnant) - they can't release his name because he is a juvenile and they have to protect his identity. I kinda thought he would forgo any special treatment because he killed innocents. We need the death penalty down here.



Yes we do, I am over pandering to the spiteful murderous bastards.


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oh the Irony. 2 Penal colonies fighting over who should keep the troglodites


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
oh the Irony. 2 Penal colonies fighting over who should keep the troglodites




We were thinking of sending them to you but since the election you already have enough problems.


So we will just keep shipping them to NZ.


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oh the Irony. 2 Penal colonies fighting over who should keep the troglodites


That - is funny. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
oh the Irony. 2 Penal colonies fighting over who should keep the troglodites


Given that your country has by far the highest prison population in the world, and the highest incarceration rate in the world - several times ours - it would seem that the US is the prison colony now.

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Even though NZ wasn't a penal colony there are claims that some of the deportees ended up here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78...s-are-descendants-of-australian-convicts

Stealing a loaf of bread because your family is starving and getting sent to a penal colony in Tasmania was deplorable. Most victims of that dark episode in history would probably be considered good civic minded citizens these days.

The death penalty has it's pros and cons.


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Originally Posted by zeissman
Even though NZ wasn't a penal colony..


NZ was made part of the official territory
of the penal colony of NSW prior to First Fleet
departing Portsmouth harbor, May 13th 1787.
(as per ammended commission by instruction
of the Court of St.James, April 25th 1787..the
orig. commission being ratified Oct.12th 1786)

and if one reads the proclamation of 1788
concerning the establishment of the colony
under Arthur Phillips ammended commission
as Governor of the colony and representative
of the Crown, you will find it to be true.

Re:

"all the islands adjacent in the Pacific Ocean within
the latitudes of 10°37'S and 43°39"S
.."


Basically it included the whole of the North Island
and a healthy portion of the South Island.



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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by zeissman
Even though NZ wasn't a penal colony..


NZ was made part of the official territory
of the penal colony of NSW prior to First Fleet
departing Portsmouth harbor, May 13th 1787.
(as per ammended commission by instruction
of the Court of St.James, April 25th 1787..the
orig. commission being ratified Oct.12th 1786)

and if one reads the proclamation of 1788
concerning the establishment of the colony
under Arthur Phillips ammended commission
as Governor of the colony and representative
of the Crown, you will find it to be true.

Re:

"all the islands adjacent in the Pacific Ocean within
the latitudes of 10°37'S and 43°39"S
.."


Basically it included the whole of the North Island
and a healthy portion of the South Island.



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Originally Posted by dan_oz
Originally Posted by gitem_12
oh the Irony. 2 Penal colonies fighting over who should keep the troglodites


Given that your country has by far the highest prison population in the world, and the highest incarceration rate in the world - several times ours - it would seem that the US is the prison colony now.


Excellent response, and that shows the real irony doesn't it?


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by purri
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by zeissman
Even though NZ wasn't a penal colony..


NZ was made part of the official territory
of the penal colony of NSW prior to First Fleet
departing Portsmouth harbor, May 13th 1787.
(as per ammended commission by instruction
of the Court of St.James, April 25th 1787..the
orig. commission being ratified Oct.12th 1786)

and if one reads the proclamation of 1788
concerning the establishment of the colony
under Arthur Phillips ammended commission
as Governor of the colony and representative
of the Crown, you will find it to be true.

Re:

"all the islands adjacent in the Pacific Ocean within
the latitudes of 10°37'S and 43°39"S
.."


Basically it included the whole of the North Island
and a healthy portion of the South Island.



TOUCHE!



Sounds like maybe some kiwis are in denial? smile

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm


Sounds like maybe some kiwis are in denial? smile



Maybe, but most of them are here.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Sounds like maybe some kiwis are in denial? smile


Could simply be many don't know the actual documented
details of British colonial history and if one were to quiz
Australians on it, you would also find them lacking such
knowledge. Some long held common beliefs about
James Cook are plain wrong, yet they perpetuate.

eg: Some seem to think Cook sailed into Botany Bay
and claimed Australia for the British Crown.
Or ask them when and where Cook and Phillip first
had British colors raised and what flag was raised
by them and I bet most don't know.

But hey we are talking about common folk who think
Breaker Morant was Australian coz that's the lasting
impression they got from a directors artistic license
script.

But what can one expect when even the Oz PM
gives the wrong impression of history to the nation
by sending the replica of the HMS bark Endeavour
on a circumnavigation of the continent despite the
fact neither the Endeavour or Cook having ever
undertaken such a voyage.





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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by zeissman
Even though NZ wasn't a penal colony..


NZ was made part of the official territory
of the penal colony of NSW prior to First Fleet
departing Portsmouth harbor, May 13th 1787.
(as per ammended commission by instruction
of the Court of St.James, April 25th 1787..the
orig. commission being ratified Oct.12th 1786)

and if one reads the proclamation of 1788
concerning the establishment of the colony
under Arthur Phillips ammended commission
as Governor of the colony and representative
of the Crown, you will find it to be true.

Re:

"all the islands adjacent in the Pacific Ocean within
the latitudes of 10°37'S and 43°39"S
.."


Basically it included the whole of the North Island
and a healthy portion of the South Island.



Interesting!


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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Sounds like maybe some kiwis are in denial? smile


Could simply be many don't know the actual documented
details of British colonial history and if one were to quiz
Australians on it, you would also find them lacking such
knowledge. Some long held common beliefs about
James Cook are plain wrong, yet they perpetuate.

eg: Some seem to think Cook sailed into Botany Bay
and claimed Australia for the British Crown.
Or ask them when and where Cook and Phillip first
had British colors raised and what flag was raised
by them and I bet most don't know.

But hey we are talking about common folk who think
Breaker Morant was Australian coz that's the lasting
impression they got from a directors artistic license
script.

But what can one expect when even the Oz PM
gives the wrong impression of history to the nation
by sending the replica of the HMS bark Endeavour
on a circumnavigation of the continent despite the
fact neither the Endeavour or Cook having ever
undertaken such a voyage.





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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by dan_oz
Originally Posted by gitem_12
oh the Irony. 2 Penal colonies fighting over who should keep the troglodites


Given that your country has by far the highest prison population in the world, and the highest incarceration rate in the world - several times ours - it would seem that the US is the prison colony now.


Excellent response, and that shows the real irony doesn't it?



who's nation was founded by one country sending the scu of the land to it? oh, and the very same country was ucerimoniously tossed out of this our problem isnt a hgh prison popuation. its the fact we dont kill nearly enough of those in prison


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Ouch. My parents emigrated here from Germany after the war as did many others from other counties. So I guess in your mind that means that we are a mixture of convicts and war criminals. Wikipedia reckons that 20% of the current Aussie population is descended from convicts. 0.7% of the USA population is in prison while 0.16% of the Aussie population is in prison. Still think you're a pot calling the kettle black at best, ignorant and hypocritical at worst.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by gitem_12

who's nation was founded by one country sending the scu of the land to it? ..


No nation was founded with the establishment
of the NSW Penal Colony.

Even after establishing a number of colonies
on the mainland, there still was no such
thing as an actual nation called Australia.

By the time of Federation, free settlers and
migrants and their offspring overwhelming
made up the bulk of the population.
Sources indicate approx 160,000 convicts
reached the shores (1788-1868) and the
population of Australia (Federation 1901)
was put at near 3.8 million.

And clearly by that time many transported
but now X-convicts were already long dead.
Of the still living one's who chose to remain,
it was some decades past the transportation
sentences they had served.


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Penal colony. Ho-Lii...crap. (Respect for our Aussie/Kiwi cousins)


Why throw that up?

Longtime ago, in a far away time.

Kinda like American slavery.
My work today has too many issues to waste time on factoids from
the decade before last.

If an American want to stick his nose into Australian issues,
the China issue is much more important. To all English language
nations.


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