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Originally Posted by JMR40
I've had a couple over the years. They used to be pretty popular around here with most guys who had them swearing they were better than 30-30. That has not been my observation. Deer I've seen killed with 35 and 30-30 behaved exactly the same. I still have one, but don't hunt with it. I picked up one of the limited versions made just like the SS guide gun in 45-70, except chambered in 35 Rem It has a straight grip 18" barrel and 1/2 mag tube. They only made 500 in 2005.

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It might have something to do with a 308 hitting at 600 yards with about the same energy as a 30-30 at 100 yards. The 308 has more power at 300 yards than a 30-30 at the muzzle, yet most hunters think of a 308 as a 300 yard round. Someone with good shooting skills can HIT a deer with a 30-30 at 200-300 yards, just as a skilled shooter can HIT a deer at 600-700 with a 308. Doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Both 30-30 and 35 kill stuff just as well as they did 100+ years ago. But neither round is magical and both were a step backwards in cartridge development. I still take one of my 30-30's hunting occasionally for nostalgic purposes. But I don't pretend that it offers me any advantages.



The 30-30 was not a "step backwards" in the days of big bore blackpowder rounds. It was quite a step forward. Many hunters who were accustomed to the 45-70 and its ilk were blown away by the flat trajectory and quick kills the .30-30 gave them even on larger game. You're simply not understanding the times.

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Shot a bunch of whitetails in Upstate NY with my Remington XP-100 in 35 Remington using 180gr Hornady SSP, 150gr Remington CL and Barnes 180gr X bullets at ranges from 15 to 150 yards. It's topped with a Burris 2-7x scope. Shoots better than most of my rifles!

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I have a Remington 600 in 35 Rem. Inherited it used and have not hunted with it yet, but perfect brush gun for NW PA hills and deer. I've shot other 35 Rems and this round packs a wallop. For distances over 150-200 yards, there's better choices, but it easily outperforms a 30-30 or 348 Win and several shorter range cartridges.


It doesn't "easily" outperform a 30-30 and its greatly outclassed by a 348. I've found it to be somewhat more effective than a 30-30 up close but over 100 yards out the 30-30 has impressed me a little more


I'm trying to wrap my head around how a 200 out of the 35 at 2000-2100 fps easily outperforms a 200 out of my 348 at 2500+ fps.....




We can only assume he has no clue what a 348 Win is.


I'm a big fan of the 35 Remington. Having said that, it's a bit of an exaggeration to say it easily out performs the 348. The 348 is it's own machine, and a good one at that.


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I think the 35 R.E.M. Handloaded with the 336 action can be a pretty handy load.

The 35 Remington is one of my favorites to shoot/ collect but I have not hunted with one .


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I have a Marlin 336. I've used the Hornady and bulk Remington 200 gr RN (which I think are the same bullet) with excellent results. A hunting buddy shot a buck in the front of the chest using my handloads. We recovered the bullet under the skin on the back of the ham.
I hadn't shot a deer with my 336 in 20 years but took it out last fall and shot a whitetail doe at 30 yards while still hunting. The .35 Remington still worked as good as ever!


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I've got a Remington 141 in 35 rem that i had the barrel cut back to 19 1/2'' man is it cool. need to blood it besides jackrabbits!

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I’ve got one that I live to shoot, but it is snake bit when It comes to hunting. Nothing EVER steps out when I am hunting with it. My .30-30 on the other hand, is a good luck charm! laugh

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Originally Posted by sambo3006
I have a Marlin 336. I've used the Hornady and bulk Remington 200 gr RN (which I think are the same bullet) with excellent results.

I don't think they are generally the same bullet, but I do recall Mule Deer posting in the Ask the Gunwriters forum that on occasion, Remington had used ILs in place of CLs. He sectioned some Rem bullets (can't recall if they were from ammo or packaged bullets) and found the IL rings. Perhaps they have packaged ILs in some of the their bulk bullet packages over the years.

Below is a pic of a 35 cal 200 gr RN Core-lokt I pulled from .35 Rem factory ammo on the left, and a Hornady 35 cal 200 gr IL on the right. The CL is a little taller, has more lead exposed at the nose, and the jacket has a sine-wave like ripple bordering the exposed lead vs the IL having a circular border. The cannelures are at different height and of different width.


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One thing about the 35 Rem is that it is loaded pretty wimpy from the factory, maybe in consideration for all the old Model 8's or something. You can generally add about 200 fps to the factory loads which does make the thing wallop game much harder. You can go even higher if you use the logic that Marlin used the same action for the 356 Winchester chambering.

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I've only got an old Remington auto loading rifle in 35 Rem made in 1907-1908. Some would say its a model 8 and it essentially is , but the truth is that is old enough that there's no model number on it before it was designated model 8. Ive only taken it out to shoot but I'm sure at close range it may have it over my 30-30? I've just not enough experience with the 35 rem.

That 348 win and 348 ackley rifles I have in my model 71 rifles are entirely another animal. Those are honestly high performance rounds and the 348 ackley is my answer to owning a 34 whelan lever action. Substantial power and performance.

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If you reload, you are in for a treat with the 35 Remington.

200g FTX hornady with right at a max load of leverolution powder is magic, 3/4-1" loads at 100 yards is the norm!

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I like the 35 Rem so much I'm having a second bolt action built in that caliber. My first one was a fine shooting Rem Model 7 that would shoot 5/8"-3/4" groups at 100yds with 200gr FTXs and LVR powder.

I can only hope the Win Model 70 FW that's being built shoots as well.

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Originally Posted by Gringo Loco
Originally Posted by sambo3006
I have a Marlin 336. I've used the Hornady and bulk Remington 200 gr RN (which I think are the same bullet) with excellent results.

I don't think they are generally the same bullet, but I do recall Mule Deer posting in the Ask the Gunwriters forum that on occasion, Remington had used ILs in place of CLs. He sectioned some Rem bullets (can't recall if they were from ammo or packaged bullets) and found the IL rings. Perhaps they have packaged ILs in some of the their bulk bullet packages over the years.

Below is a pic of a 35 cal 200 gr RN Core-lokt I pulled from .35 Rem factory ammo on the left, and a Hornady 35 cal 200 gr IL on the right. The CL is a little taller, has more lead exposed at the nose, and the jacket has a sine-wave like ripple bordering the exposed lead vs the IL having a circular border. The cannelures are at different height and of different width.


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Thanks for the info! Leave it to Mule Deer to discover that fact. grin
The bullets I have all look identical. The bulk ones were purchased loose out of a big bin at the Tulsa gun show labeled as Remington. Who knows, maybe they were Hornady?


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Originally Posted by ruraldoc

One load that has shown great promise in the 30-30 is the Hornady 140 ftx bullet. These actually chronograph around 2500 fps in my 30-30 rifles. I have killed one big sow at about 125 yards,dead right there with a big exit wound. She probably weighed 180 pounds. Have also killed several hogs at close range in traps with the 140 ftx,all instant kills with exits.

Maybe my bad experience with the 30-30 was a fluke,maybe the fast Hornady loads with the 140 ftx are a game changer for the 30-30.

Do you mean 160 FTX or 140 MonoFlex?
Hornady .30-30 loads

Let me know as I'd like to order some to try.
Thanks in advance for your research!
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Originally Posted by Blackheart
[quote=ruraldoc] ..... Regarding penetration there is a youtube video out there you might find intersting. It's .30-30 vs 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 win mag. on gallon milk jugs full of water. The .30-30 loaded with 170 core lokts and the .308, .30-06 and .300 loaded with 180 grain power points. Long story short the .30-30 wins by a considerable margin. The 170 core lokt being recovered, nicely mushroomed from jug # 7 while none of the others make it past jug # 4.


I demonstrated the exact same result showing the 303 British with 180 bullets at 2400+ caught in the seventh jug, compared to the 300 WSM 180 gr factory ammo, in the fourth. The guy with the 300 was astonished, and asked why anyone bothers with the mags.

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200gr Hornady RN....hit top of onside shoulder going in (stand on top of ridge).......and fragged, ground a decent path to the offside, barely chinked a rib.
Expected it to hold together. Nope.

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Same rifle, diff stock, 75 yards w same round. Clipped back of onside shoulder going in, and clipped offside at front going out.
Appeared to zip on through in one pc

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200gr FTX, did not exit, 25 yards, neck shoulder junction quartering to

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Running away about 40 yards , from treestand, hit was just ahead of hip along spine. Thought it might exit front of chest. Nope, it slid all the way up through the backstrap.
Dropped him, but he tried to get up and took #2 through both lungs

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