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To Blue and JWP....not to get into it with you guys, again, but was just wondering...
Are you NRA certified instructors?
How many FORMAL certified classes have you been chief instructor for, done the classroom instruction or been on the line as an instructor...
Just wondering...Bob No, we don't don't want to travel down that road - we can stop at "are you an NRA certified instructor?"
That is the question...are you an NRA Certified Instructor... Here goes, not that any of it will actually make any difference to you. I'm sure you'll have some arbitrary checkbox that I haven't checked that makes all the difference to you. No, I'm not an NRA instructor. I looked up the course a few minutes ago ( http://www.nrainstructors.org/Instr...24B57BFE0A018DDB1CE3Q/TCPistol061517.pdf). It looks like the 16 hour pistol instructor course requires a pre-qualification test. A USPSA "C" classification will suffice, or you have to accumulate 80 points on an evaluation....and you get 30 of those points by successfully loading and unloading. As I said earlier, it's humorous to find that as your litmus test. As for your questions.... I'm a TCOLE certified instructor and firearms instructor and have been for over 15 years. I currently work as a full time firearms instructor for a large municipal police agency. I have received training in, and practically applied training in the field, as an EMT, in tactical medicine, precision rifle, mid-range carbine, basic and advanced SWAT courses, and I am instructor certified in active shooter response and less lethal munitions. I am currently the lead instructor for, and developed the curriculum for, the department cadet and in-service pistol training program. I am also in charge of, and developed the curriculum for, our firearm instructor certification program. Every year I am personally on the range for qualifications for over 1,000 officers. Every year I spend roughly 350 hours on the range assisting in instruction for over 300 students in shotgun and rifle courses. I've graduated approximately 700 cadets from my (roughly) 60 hour pistol training program and then assisted in instructing them all in another (roughly) 50 hours of tactical training and hands on evaluation exercises. And I've assisted in the development of the curriculum for, and personally instructed, approximately 1,000 officers in concealed carry. I'm a Texas LTC instructor and conduct LTC, basic pistol, and church security courses on the side in addition to contracting with other local agencies to assist in their firearms training. In addition to those basic training courses I also instruct many in-service pistol classes in advanced technique and transition to MRDS and have been contracted as the lead pistol instructor for a federal agency's annual training cycle. In addition to this formal firearms instruction I am a Master class shooter in both the USPSA and IDPA and have multiple Grand Master classifications in Steel Challenge. Every year (pre-covid) I organize and host the largest law enforcement multigun match in the country and weekly steel challenge matches for approximately 40 shooters from April-September. ***ETA*** I realized in proof reading that I didn't actually answer this question.... We work 4-10s, so I'd estimate 150 classes per year, if you count a day as one class. Many of our courses are a week long.
How many FORMAL certified classes have you been chief instructor for, done the classroom instruction or been on the line as an instructor...
_______________________________________ So no, I'm not NRA certified. But mastering the art of accurately firing a pistol and learning how to teach that skill to other people isn't something I dabble in. It's not something I almost did one time for some guy, or helped with a few times a year or on the weekends. Shooting is essentially all I do. Every day I drive to work at a gun range. Standing on a range instructing people in firearms and their practical application in the field is what I do every day. I've conservatively estimated that I personally watch over 500,000 rounds a year fired on the range. And none of that has to matter to you. But you can take your sanctimonious "what have you done" and shove it, because you're not the only guy around who's ever taught somebody how to shoot. Anyone with a brain should have deduced as much from your posts here over time. It was obvious that you knew the subject matter Yep. And the fact that Triggered couldn't figure it out tells us everything we need to know about his firearms acumen.
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So, back to the original post and subject.....
Lots of proponents of semi-autos for a defensive weapon for new and inexperienced users. Lots of "get with the new technology son!" remarks or inferences. For those of you who are proponents, is the main reason cartridge capacity? No acknowledgement of Blue's bonafides? LOL I don't give a ph uck about his bonafides, or yours, so unless you've got something meaningful to contribute, which you rarely do on pretty much any subject on this forum - just snarky comments to appear cool to your posse of pogues - go choke yourself on a carton of milk or something. Enjoy being a dumb ass. You obviously put a lot of effort into it.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Blue...thank you for the time you took to describe exactly what you do...
And I am very sorry if I came across as "sanctimonious" but since leaving Texas where firearms training was taken seriously and had really good instructors, I have become very jaded because of what I have seen in this state as to LE training.
You make light of the NRA pre-instructor qualifier...there are many LE instructors in this state who if told to report to the range and do it cold would fail both the gun handling exercise and qualifier... Because an NRA Pistol instructor has to be able to deal with all types of firearms they don't just load and unload their own gun...when I ran it they would demonstrate with: Semi-Auto: SA DA DAO Safe-Action
Revolver: Two different makes
Single Action Revolver: Original Colt style New Ruger Transfer Bar Safety System
Most LEOs now don't even know what a revolver is...
And in this state at least that is better than the Police Standards and Training incoming per-instructor course qualifier...because there isn't one.
For many decades there was no incoming qualification...come in, do the course and bless you you are a firearms instructor. Then a new guy took over and instituted a pre-course qualifier...I believe passing was 90%. From what I was told 10-30% of the candidates were washed out every class before the first hour was up. And there was a standard to pass before graduation...no pass, no certificate. New commandant takes over a few years later...replaces the CI and puts someone else in and the next instructor class starts with.."well we know you all know how to shoot so there is no more pre-course qualification" and no exit qualifier either... I can't make his chit up...my imagination isn't that good... Things may have changed as a new commandant took over early this year..but I haven't heard anything different.
Again thank you for your time...it sounds like you are doing a great job and having a great time doing it...
And it's nice to know who I'm arguing with.
Bob
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So, back to the original post and subject.....
Lots of proponents of semi-autos for a defensive weapon for new and inexperienced users. Lots of "get with the new technology son!" remarks or inferences. For those of you who are proponents, is the main reason cartridge capacity? No acknowledgement of Blue's bonafides? LOL I don't give a ph uck about his bonafides, or yours, so unless you've got something meaningful to contribute, which you rarely do on pretty much any subject on this forum - just snarky comments to appear cool to your posse of pogues - go choke yourself on a carton of milk or something. Enjoy being a dumb ass. You obviously put a lot of effort into it. And, once again, you prove my point. đź‘Ť
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So, back to the original post and subject.....
Lots of proponents of semi-autos for a defensive weapon for new and inexperienced users. Lots of "get with the new technology son!" remarks or inferences. For those of you who are proponents, is the main reason cartridge capacity? No acknowledgement of Blue's bonafides? LOL I don't give a ph uck about his bonafides, or yours, so unless you've got something meaningful to contribute, which you rarely do on pretty much any subject on this forum - just snarky comments to appear cool to your posse of pogues - go choke yourself on a carton of milk or something. Enjoy being a dumb ass. You obviously put a lot of effort into it. You're wrong. It doesn't require any effort from him; it comes naturally.
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Some days here are like being the slowest jockey in the Kentucky Derby. You can't see the track for the horse's asses.
My point being, regardless of your position on any subject there's no point being a douchebag about it. People actually seeking information find their way into these places via search engines. It would be nice if they could read through a topic and gain some worthwhile information instead of a bunch of ass clown ery.
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My point being, regardless of your position on any subject there's no point being a douchebag about. I agree. But I bet we disagree on who’s being the douchebag about it. I’d start with the guy who said, “Oh yeah, you dare disagree with ME? Do you even teach, bro?” Especially when his actual qualifications to ask the question are that he helped with some club classes on the weekends. Those two guys should’ve been ashamed to even post in here again.
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I think it’s a shame that people have to ask members what their qualifications are.
It’s pretty obvious who knows what they’re talking about and Blue quite clearly knows what he talks about.
He also has a long history of demonstrating his skill level. I think it speaks volumes of anybody that would disregard it.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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So, back to the original post and subject.....
Lots of proponents of semi-autos for a defensive weapon for new and inexperienced users. Lots of "get with the new technology son!" remarks or inferences. For those of you who are proponents, is the main reason cartridge capacity? No acknowledgement of Blue's bonafides? LOL I don't give a ph uck about his bonafides, or yours, so unless you've got something meaningful to contribute, which you rarely do on pretty much any subject on this forum - just snarky comments to appear cool to your posse of pogues - go choke yourself on a carton of milk or something. Enjoy being a dumb ass. You obviously put a lot of effort into it. And, once again, you prove my point. 👍 Yeah. Who wants advice from a Master Class USPSA shooter that heads one of the finest firearms training departments in the country? LOL If you could hit a school bus at 5yds you’d probably schit your pants with excitement.
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I think it’s a shame that people have to ask members what their qualifications are.
It’s pretty obvious who knows what they’re talking about and Blue quite clearly knows what he talks about.
He also has a long history of demonstrating his skill level. I think it speaks volumes of anybody that would disregard it.
There might be a lot to criticize about Blue, but he appears to be legit with regard to firearms use expertise.
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I think it’s a shame that people have to ask members what their qualifications are.
It’s pretty obvious who knows what they’re talking about and Blue quite clearly knows what he talks about.
He also has a long history of demonstrating his skill level. I think it speaks volumes of anybody that would disregard it.
There might be a lot to criticize about Blue, but he appears to be legit with regard to firearms use expertise. I've not found a reason to criticize Blue, other than his pomposity. Lol.
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I think it’s a shame that people have to ask members what their qualifications are.
It’s pretty obvious who knows what they’re talking about and Blue quite clearly knows what he talks about.
He also has a long history of demonstrating his skill level. I think it speaks volumes of anybody that would disregard it.
There might be a lot to criticize about Blue, but he appears to be legit with regard to firearms use expertise. Nope. There's very little to criticize about Blue. He's a good man, does good work, and brings a great depth of knowledge to this forum.
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What a chit show. Blue, it's good to have you around here. I appreciate your knowledge and experience. Some folks have trouble distinguishing the players from the fans.
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When the shooter chooses the proper tools for the job/mission, never violates safety rules and never misses the target at selected distances...*then* the "instructor" becomes superfluous.
When the shooter thinks he is good enough, he is wrong. Another member of the triggernosis school of critical thinking and deep experience. Some folks don't appear impressed w/ Blue's CV and qualifications to comment on learning and teaching shooting. SNORK. They will continue to display their ignorance. mike r
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"I’d start with the guy who said, “Oh yeah, you dare disagree with ME? Do you even teach, bro?” Especially when his actual qualifications to ask the question are that he helped with some club classes on the weekends. Those two guys should’ve been ashamed to even post in here again."
...well in thinking about this for the day, I find you perfectly correct...and my sincere apologies if I offended you. But as they say...color me gone...Bob
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I think it’s a shame that people have to ask members what their qualifications are.
It’s pretty obvious who knows what they’re talking about and Blue quite clearly knows what he talks about.
He also has a long history of demonstrating his skill level. I think it speaks volumes of anybody that would disregard it.
There might be a lot to criticize about Blue, but he appears to be legit with regard to firearms use expertise. Nope. There's very little to criticize about Blue. He's a good man, does good work, and brings a great depth of knowledge to this forum. +1........
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When the shooter chooses the proper tools for the job/mission, never violates safety rules and never misses the target at selected distances...*then* the "instructor" becomes superfluous.
When the shooter thinks he is good enough, he is wrong. Another member of the triggernosis school of critical thinking and deep experience. Some folks don't appear impressed w/ Blue's CV and qualifications to comment on learning and teaching shooting. SNORK. They will continue to display their ignorance. mike r So, what's YOUR point?? Just because you may not be very good, doesn't mean others won't miss the designated target. Go back to sleep, maybe firearms aren't for you. Nor the internet.
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I wish I was so good I didn’t need instructing.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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"I’d start with the guy who said, “Oh yeah, you dare disagree with ME? Do you even teach, bro?” Especially when his actual qualifications to ask the question are that he helped with some club classes on the weekends. Those two guys should’ve been ashamed to even post in here again."
...well in thinking about this for the day, I find you perfectly correct...and my sincere apologies if I offended you. But as they say...color me gone...Bob
You know what they say. Those that can’t do, teach. I don’t think this applies to firearms. I’ve learned a lot over the years going to courses. In 1984 I took a safety course with my wife. The instructor was a cop and he was all over the virtues of the double action revolver. He discouraged anyone from bringing a semi auto to the live fire portion of the class. Times have changed! My last firearms class in 2019 had one student that brought a revolver. That was me. I have a SA that I carry in my hunting vehicle as a concealed weapon. My normal concealed guns are semi autos. The instructor became more comfortable When I used these as well during the live fire portion of the class. He offered no instruction whatsoever about proper revolver use other than saying be safe.
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