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If it is soft enough for the pistol I will guess it will obturate in the rifle. It has worked for me with heavily lubed 148 gr wadcutters crimped pretty well in the 358 neck. The loads were intended for small game in emergencies and not fired over 50 yards. Probably about 20 yards and subsonic loads with green dot or red dot. Be Well, RZ.
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Gunswizard you have said the 358 Winchester is a short range round. Do you want a quote from the other assinine comment you made???????????????????????????????
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Gunswizard you have said the 358 Winchester is a short range round. Do you want a quote from the other assinine comment you made??????????????????????????????? You kinda hard on poor ole G-Wiz... You actually got me feeling sorry for him...  DF
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Awwww shucks. It's the gunwriters' fault.  RZ. Too late to close the gate. Guess I don't play well with others. I would have said the same to his face. Working at a prison for 20+ years hasn't helped. Be Well, RZ.
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RZ please feel free to GFY.
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Name calling sounds childish doesn't it? Be Well, RZ.
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Congratulations on your .358. Back in the '80's I had a push feed Featheweight rebarreled with a .358 Shaw barrel, a #3 contour, the slimiest contour offered for a .358. Well, it isn't a Featherweight any longer but, balances nicely and I've shot deer and my last bull elk with it. I used a Speer 250 Hot Cor running 2353 fps on the elk for total penetration and he was down and dead in about 25 yards. It looked like 5 gallons of blood on the ground from where he was shot to where he fell. I run a lot of cast bullets through it from 150 grains to 250 grains and the Lyman 358156 over 10 grains of Unique can't be matched for fun! Like shooting a big .22. Full power loads are similar to a .30'06 ie: not bad at all. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/8JhrbEcl.jpg) Nice looking rifle!
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FFL sent from JES per my request for UPS.
I had already printed a copy of his web site, showed the UPS guy (who BTW knows me), told him it was a barrel being sent for a re-bore. He seemed OK with that.
Gun was already on a brown truck before I got the FFL, so I didn't need it. But you never know with those guys, which one shows up at the counter.
I replied to the JES email, said I'd go with 12 twist.
He gets the package Monday. I could have it back in a couple of weeks. Seems the UPS trip takes almost as long as the JES turn around time. We'll see.
DF I stopped by UPS to ask about sending a barreled action. They panicked and said I needed to call the main distribution center and take any gun stuff there. (Technically they're right for a receiver but not other parts.) I also need to ship some ammo, so asked about that. The desk kid almost cried. That made me think I didn't want to deal with them if something went wrong. The lady at USPS, on the other hand, was very cool about it. $40 with $600 insurance. Arrives Monday. Hard to argue with that.
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FFL sent from JES per my request for UPS.
I had already printed a copy of his web site, showed the UPS guy (who BTW knows me), told him it was a barrel being sent for a re-bore. He seemed OK with that.
Gun was already on a brown truck before I got the FFL, so I didn't need it. But you never know with those guys, which one shows up at the counter.
I replied to the JES email, said I'd go with 12 twist.
He gets the package Monday. I could have it back in a couple of weeks. Seems the UPS trip takes almost as long as the JES turn around time. We'll see.
DF I stopped by UPS to ask about sending a barreled action. They panicked and said I needed to call the main distribution center and take any gun stuff there. (Technically they're right for a receiver but not other parts.) I also need to ship some ammo, so asked about that. The desk kid almost cried. That made me think I didn't want to deal with them if something went wrong. The lady at USPS, on the other hand, was very cool about it. $40 with $600 insurance. Arrives Monday. Hard to argue with that. I have been shipping using my local Fed Ex. Prices are all about the same and they've done well on the back and forth. Never a question, they weigh it, Stamp it, and send it.
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I'm looking at a Mexican Mauser that the late Eric Ching had built. I am not sure of the price yet but I think they got the I will take it. As soon as it is in my hands I will show it to you guys. Even G-wizz. God Bless you all, RZ.
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Dirtfarmer have any problems with Laura? We lost phone and electricity and had many limbs in the yard but no real damage. The wind was worse than with Katrina.
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Dirt farmer, great choice on the 358. I've put away a lot of moose meat with one. A jes rebore sealed the deal on the two biggest bulls I've shot to date. A 250 grainer at 2400 fps. That's a recipe for penetration on the big stuff, with good range to 300 yds
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The M70 Fwt and the .358 go together like peas and carrots! Is there really a better combination in a hunting rifle that can literally do it all for NA big game? I’m working on a full stock version currently (picked up the barreled action that had the barrel cut back to 19.5” on here quite some time ago and have finally had the time to do some work on it - I’ll post some pictures one of these days) that handles like a dream. Your going to really like that one DF!! PennDog
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Congratulations on your .358. Back in the '80's I had a push feed Featheweight rebarreled with a .358 Shaw barrel, a #3 contour, the slimiest contour offered for a .358. Well, it isn't a Featherweight any longer but, balances nicely and I've shot deer and my last bull elk with it. I used a Speer 250 Hot Cor running 2353 fps on the elk for total penetration and he was down and dead in about 25 yards. It looked like 5 gallons of blood on the ground from where he was shot to where he fell. I run a lot of cast bullets through it from 150 grains to 250 grains and the Lyman 358156 over 10 grains of Unique can't be matched for fun! Like shooting a big .22. Full power loads are similar to a .30'06 ie: not bad at all. Nice looking rifle! Thank you Pat. And it shoots great also. 
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10 gr. of Unique should be the ticket in .358, I shoot 15 gr. in my Whelen with cast bullets from 200-225gr. it's a very accurate load.
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Oh, the old P64 35 Remingtons were 1-16 twist along with the 358’s. At least I’m pretty sure on that.
The Browning BLRs are 1-12 or 1-14 I believe. Don’t hold me to it. IIRC, the pre-64 Winchester in .358 was 1 in 12" as are my Browning BLR and Savage M99. Ruger went with 1 in 16" in the M77. I have all the above mentioned except the pre64 Winny and note that the Browning and Savage out shoot the two Ruger M77s by a country mile. Paul B.
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Dirtfarmer have any problems with Laura? We lost phone and electricity and had many limbs in the yard but no real damage. The wind was worse than with Katrina. About the same. Lines down all over Alexandria, CLECO power plant took a hit. So, it could be a while getting power back. Crews from everywhere here working long hours. I'm running a 5KW Honda, which takes care of refrig (2), freezers (2), and fans, not big A/C. House has lots of French doors with screens, so we can get some hot ventilation... Generator runs computers, TV's etc. I visited my son and family in Lafayette. Not much damage, he never lost power. While there, I filled up every fuel can I had regardless of what it had been used for. Got 30 gal Ethanol free gas which will run the Honda for about a week or so. DF
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Yeah without genny would have lost freezer and refrigerator. We threw away all of Mom's thawed food this morning. Not complaining...we have been blessed.
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What twist rate are you going with? I had my .358 done with a 1 in 12" so it would shoot the heavier bullets well. I shot 3 Hornady 250 gr Spirepoints into one single hole that we only about .380" edge to edge. Now that I have to use non-lead bullets here is CA, it shoots both the 225 gr and 200 gr TTSX bullets very well. I used John Barsness's loads with TAC that closely approximate .35 Whelen factory loads.
Most loading data for the .358 is kept low due to some lever actions like the Win 88 and Savage 99 being made in that chambering. A strong bolt action can go hotter. I used mine in Africa on plains game including kudu and Wildebeest. I never asked about twist, guess he'll go with std twist, whatever that is. I'm not trying to go heavy as those bullets are pretty slow, probably mostly shoot 180's and 200's. BTW, what is the std. .358 Win twist? DF Edited to add, found this link https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5220834/I'll need to find out what twists he does. I guess it's a choice between 12 and 14. We'll see what he says. Don't limit yourself twist wise. Go 1:12. It will still do well with lighter bullets. That's what I had my gun smith do with my 9.3x62. I shoot 270 grain Speers in it for deer but if I want to shoot something heavier I'm confident it will stabilize them. If you want to shoot 180s-200s just make ot a .300 WSM or a .338 something. Otherwise you're missing the point of a .358.
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What twist rate are you going with? I had my .358 done with a 1 in 12" so it would shoot the heavier bullets well. I shot 3 Hornady 250 gr Spirepoints into one single hole that we only about .380" edge to edge. Now that I have to use non-lead bullets here is CA, it shoots both the 225 gr and 200 gr TTSX bullets very well. I used John Barsness's loads with TAC that closely approximate .35 Whelen factory loads.
Most loading data for the .358 is kept low due to some lever actions like the Win 88 and Savage 99 being made in that chambering. A strong bolt action can go hotter. I used mine in Africa on plains game including kudu and Wildebeest. I never asked about twist, guess he'll go with std twist, whatever that is. I'm not trying to go heavy as those bullets are pretty slow, probably mostly shoot 180's and 200's. BTW, what is the std. .358 Win twist? DF Edited to add, found this link https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5220834/I'll need to find out what twists he does. I guess it's a choice between 12 and 14. We'll see what he says. Don't limit yourself twist wise. Go 1:12. It will still do well with lighter bullets. That's what I had my gun smith do with my 9.3x62. I shoot 270 grain Speers in it for deer but if I want to shoot something heavier I'm confident it will stabilize them. If you want to shoot 180s-200s just make ot a .300 WSM or a .338 something. Otherwise you're missing the point of a .358. Agree with 12 twist and that's what I told JES in an email. He gets the barreled action tomorrow. DF
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