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Was digging threw some ammo cans last night and found 5 1/2 boxes of .458 500 gr. solids,the silver ones, don't remember where I got them, was thinking I could load them up and use them for pigs, in my 45-70 #1 or my 450 Howell, load them to 1100 to 1200 fps . so they don't recoil real hard, should be fun. Rio7

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Originally Posted by 458Win
Having been guiding for Alaskas biggest bears for 39 years, and killed bears with numerous calibers from a 30-06 up to a 505 Gibbs, ( and one 9mm, but that is a different story)
It is no secret that when I have to follow up a wounded bear my rifle of choice is my 458 Win. The more I used other big calibers like the 9.3's, 375's, 416's , 450/400 and 505 , the more I came to appreciate the 458.

Because even though St Ross claims there are no big bears left in Alaska and that I photoshopped all the bears my clients have taken. There are just as big of bears today as there ever were.


https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/wil...rotund-katmai-bear-during-fat-bear-week/



How affective on big bears is the 300 TSX your daughter uses? At the velocity I'd think that it would be impressive but have no experience with it on big bears



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I agree , great question . I see no B.S in the original post .

I acquired my M70 Super Grade ( 22 inch barrel ) after it being offered to me from a friend . All I had to do was buy $500 of factory ammunition and the rifle came with it . However , It did need to be re-blued so I had that done after glass bead blasting it to a nice matte finish . The original finish was that high luster blue on all of the metal except the matte frame . I guess that was the style back then and looked ridiculous . It all matches now and is the apple of my eye .

I have used it to hunt whitetail using 66.0 grains of IMR 3031 and the Sierra 300 soft point @ 2200 fps with absolute excellent results . That bullet between 2000 – 2200 fps duplicates my Savage smokeless muzzleloader and sort of duplicates the heft of the arm also …

I have been wanting to try the Hornady 325 grain 458 FTX ( rated for 1600 – 2400 fps ) and the Hornady 250 grain 458 Mono-Flex bullet ( rated for 1100 – 2200 fps ) on targets and whitetail .

You can use a 458 WM for other things besides extremely large and dangerous game . Just match the bullet and velocity for the intended purpose . I have several thousand bullets for my 14 inch TC Contender in 45/70 , and so it just made sense to buy this rifle .

It is a tack driver as much as a 45 WM can be .

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BR,
Yes you have a very flexible .458 rifle.

My .458 rifle is an 1886 45-90 with 96% of the powder capacity of yours.
Most of my hunting has been with 300 grain bullets at velocities between 1800 and 2200 fps and this has been suitable for all deer, hogs, and several exotics.

For Africa, we hand loaded 300 grain Nosler PP bullets to 2200 fps and they were very effective for plains game and leopard.
For larger DG, (ele and Cape buff) we used 450 grain Kodiak FMJ and it proved to be excellent on Cape Buffalo and back in Texas, on Bison .
The Kodiak would have been OK for body shots on ele, but for frontal brain shots, 450 grain NF solids and Punch bullets were perfect- shot through head and into body.
You can load your rifle up or down and hunt most any medium to big to dangerous game with it.
Enjoy and Good Hunting!


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Thank you sir ….

I’m from the northeast ( Maine and CT ) and had a few friends ask : “ why on god’s green earth do you have that thing ? “ . I’ve always replied with : the 458 WM can be a 45-120 , 45-100 , 45-90 , 45-70 or a repeating smokeless muzzleloader . cool

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Originally Posted by crshelton
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For Africa, we hand loaded 300 grain Nosler PP bullets to 2200 fps and they were very effective for plains game and leopard.




When did Nosler discontinue the 458 / 300 grain Protected Point ?

The only 300 grainer I see in the catalog is the Combined Technologies ( Silvertip RN ) fodder with the black Luba-Lox coating on it ?

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Not sure of the date, but no worries as I have a good supply of loaded 45-90 PP ammo from our African bullet testing trip.
Another winner is the Alaska Bullet Works Kodiak. I also have some of those 2150 fps 450 grain FMJ for my 45-90 . :):):)


All this reminds me - it is my 45-90 turn for hog killing soon. My 1886 elves to elephants rifle; not seen and elves yet but it has taken ele , Cape Buff,Bison, etc.
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Took my .458 Model 70 back to the range a few days ago. 300gn Barnes FNHP designed for the .45/70 cut into each other at 50 yards dead center..
Time to move it out to 100 and nudge it up a little..


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30 years ago I hoarded and used the Barnes 300 grain spitzer 458 “ Originals “ in my 14” Contender and later on , used them in my Savage smokeless muzzle loader . Super accurate .

Too bad they discontinued them .

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Why a 458?
Because I wanted to find out what owning, shooting, handloading, and hunting with one was like.
A trip to Africa is not required to own one.
It’s fun as heck to play with a 458!
I’ve only taken a couple of small deer with mine so far but I now KNOW that having a 458 is a hoot. I’m on my second one now, a Ruger No.1. There are a LOT of projectiles a guy can shoot through a .458 bore.

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.458 Winchester rifles tend to be very accurate. They are a life insurance policy against anything that breathes.
I will be carrying one after the vicious whitetail that may threaten my person this year.


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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
Just took my Model 70 to the range last week and my newest load is really performing.

Barnes 300gn TSX Cave Point designed for the .45/70 over 78 grains of H 322 and Fed 215's for 2534fps.
4 check groups measured .959", .590", .474" and .526" at 100 yards.

Barnes 350gn TSX over 76gn of H 322 gives 2434fps and .765"
Using 78gn of H 4198 I get 2582fps with single digit SD and around .75 MOA.

Woodleigh 400gn Weldcore over 74gn of H322 gets 2336fps and 74gn of H 4198 gets 2454fps all shooting sub MOA in my Model 70.

Barnes 300gn X bullet was a long time favorite over 75gn of AR 2207 which is H 4198 for 2640fps. Used this one as lot in Oz when culling ferals.

405gn Remington is also a good one with my best shooting done with 73gn of Rel 7 for 2286fps or 67gn of IMR 4198 for 2233fps without pushing the bullets too hard.

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John, I use the Barnes 250 gr. "cave point" TTSX, in my BPCR 45-70 for primitive season. I'm running a Barnes Marlin level load at 2,550 fps with Vv n-120. It may even be faster than that out of the 30" Badger barrel, haven't clocked it.

That bullet will blow lung tissue and a bucket of blood out the far chest on a hog or WT. And, it's pretty accurate. I have a CDS set up for that load and can keep them centered on a pie plate out to 300 yds., around 5" or so. Not so primitive, IMO..

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I have tried that bullet too and it is everything you say, but I leaned toward the 300gn because it seems to be more common on the dealer shelves. Because it is is a mono, it also approximates the 400 grainers of conventional CupnCore for size.


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Originally Posted by Alaninga
Why a 458?
Because I wanted to find out what owning, shooting, handloading, and hunting with one was like.
A trip to Africa is not required to own one.
It’s fun as heck to play with a 458!
I’ve only taken a couple of small deer with mine so far but I now KNOW that having a 458 is a hoot. I’m on my second one now, a Ruger No.1. There are a LOT of projectiles a guy can shoot through a .458 bore.


If shooting kangaroos and pigs with a 458 is a sin, I will be in hell for a long time:) I always loved them with 400 grain Speer and either 70 grains of 4064 or 70 grains of an Australian powder we use to have with a burn rate like 3031. Te 4064 did right on 2000 f/s and the 3031 like powder was right at 2100 f/s. Both loads very accurate.

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