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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: Higginez] #15194471 09/04/20
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[quote=Higginez]It really is incredible what a .223 with a good bullet will do to a deer or pig.[/quote

I intend to find that out soon.


Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: flintlocke] #15194494 09/04/20
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Originally Posted by flintlocke
74 here and pretty much grab the Roberts or the Swede on the way out the door.


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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: bluefish] #15194501 09/04/20
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Originally Posted by bluefish
7x57 and 9.3x62 for me.

If I just HAD to have a rifle bigger than a 30-06, the 9.3 would be my first choice.


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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15194529 09/04/20
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So far I'm doing fine with the bigger ones I own, but when it comes to going into the field, the 243 and 260 seem to get grabbed a lot... the other option I go with is the 7 mm Mauser in a Model 70 Featherweight...

Not mentioned, so I'll bring it up... recently picked up a 6.5 Grendal in a Ruger American Predator....

For deer and smaller, its more than adequate for most of the distances people can accurately hit an animal at...
Think of it as a 6.5 mm version of a 30/30 capacity case, with spitzer bullets..

it has a flatter trajectory and ability to penetrate armor plate at 1000 yds...

in theory that should work on an elk at sane ranges...

With a 3 x 9 Leupold on top, its quite carry-able for most older guys, except if they are traveling with a walker....

and with the right handloads this clunky Ruger, can get pretty darn accurate...

mine seems to really love AR Comp and 2015BR




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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15194971 09/04/20
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70 here, and flip flop between a 30-06 and 308 for elk. For whitetail and hogs I use a 308. I did buy a 300 win mag for an upcoming nilgai hunt but it'll go back in the safe until the next nilgai hunt.

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I'm 75 and I place more priority on the recoil pad than the various calibers I own. Much prefer being punched by soft LimbSavers, but pad performance needs to be at least a decelerator.

Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15195194 09/04/20
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Still a place for your favorite rifles from the past...no reason you can't load reduced recoil loads for yourself.

Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15195215 09/04/20
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I am 73, my old 300 and 7mm RM are my favorite big game rifles.. The .300 since 1971 and this 7mm since the early 90's.. I still shoot and assortment of other calibers depending on the day and whim.. I can't say getting old has caused me to shoot less powerful rifles.. I now just have more rifles to shoot!!


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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter] #15195375 09/04/20
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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
I am 73, my old 300 and 7mm RM are my favorite big game rifles.. The .300 since 1971 and this 7mm since the early 90's.. I still shoot and assortment of other calibers depending on the day and whim.. I can't say getting old has caused me to shoot less powerful rifles.. I now just have more rifles to shoot!!


You go Dad. I like it. grin


THE reason I like the 7 RM is with 139/140 gr bullets @ 3300 fps is the FLAT trajectory.
At 400 yds there is NO holdover. When I go deer hunting I never know where I’ll see a
deer (buck or doe) I want to shoot.

I have not been in a deer stand since 2011. I move & find the deer, sometimes
they find me. Since 2012 I’ve killed several deer ON my way to an area I want to
hunt. Sometimes they’re close, sometimes they’re across a pasture or down a
fence row.

In the 80s - 90s I thot Elk & Moose required big magnums. I’ve learned since they
don’t. Since 458 Win ( Mr Phil) says the 30-06 is entirely adequate for Brown Bear
I’ve settled on the 7 mm RM as my One For All game rifle.

And yes I enjoy shooting/hunting diff rifles/cartridges too.

Good Luck in 2020.

Jerry


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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: Higginez] #15195395 09/04/20
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Originally Posted by Higginez
It really is incredible what a .223 with a good bullet will do to a deer or pig.


Yes sir. I really can't justify the need for more than a 223 down here on the Gulf Coast. I have a few others, but the 223 spends the most time with me. 60 Partitions and 64 grain bonded almost always exit on a broadside shot. They wreck the innards and leave a decent blood trail. The same can be said for the factory 62 grain fusion load.

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It took many years of reloading with various calibers from 270 up to a 338 win mag and 300 Weatherby mag. At age 68 I've settled on the 358 Winchester. It leaves one heck of a blood trail and not much tracking. The 358 Win is all I need for my neck of the woods. I also still use my Ruger Mini 30 7.62x39 short carbine. 30/30 power at it's best. Killed truck loads of deer in NY apple orchards. Deer are thin skinned animals and it doesn't take a magnum to drop them dead.

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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15196025 09/04/20
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At 69-1/2 I don't yet qualify of "old" and I still shoot my magnums. Have always preferred levers and bolts to semis and doubt that will ever change.

That said, I do enjoy my light recoiling rifles more than the heavier recoiling ones. Earlier this week I worked up a 150g ABLR /2899fps load for my .280 Remington. My recoil calculater says recoil is a bit under 18fpe and 12fps. At 7000 feet altitude it delivers 0ver 2100fps and 1500fpe to 630 yards, which is beyond my limit, and it shoots great. Was planning on taking my 7mm RM elk hunting this year but think the .280 Rem will go instead. A backup rifle will go as well - either my ,300WM or my ,338 WM.


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A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: mathman] #15196784 09/05/20
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First year Remington M700 Classic, 270 Win. exclusively since 1980, no need to change now.


You haven't worn out the barrel yet?


Not yet, only used when chasing PA and NY bucks.


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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15196815 09/05/20
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I hunted my first season with a lever action .30-30 and will carry the same in my last season.

Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: mathman] #15196981 09/05/20
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Originally Posted by mathman
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Hard to argue with a 708 for young, old, and everyone in the middle.


For performance vs recoil that is a very good cartridge.


Same could be said about the 7x57.

Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15197121 09/05/20
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Well, being 82 I've come to the conclusion that the big boomers now reside in the back of the safe. I'll most likely stick to my .35 Whelen if I do another elk hunt but just may have it as the back up rifle and see just what a 7x57 can do. I've been playing quite a bit with that cartridge and like how it treats my shoulder. The big boomers from the .338 Win. Mag up to the .416 Rigby are now officially retired. Maybe I'll put them up for consignment at one of my LGS. I really have to get off the stick and go shoot. I was in a car wreck back on January 2 and the doc won't clear me to go shoot anything bigger than a .22LR. I'm beginning to think he's sandbagging me as he probably doesn't like guns or hunting but keeps his mouth shut. Frankly, I'd drop him but he's a damn good doctor so I kind of put up with him. Besides, his assistant is cuter'n a bug and loves to flirt with this old goat.
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Re: Rifles for oldsters [Re: urbaneruralite] #15197392 09/05/20
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At 77 I am hunting from tree stand or ground level cover. The feel and handling of rifle is more important to me than caliber. Having said that, I find anything with more recoil than a 270 Win is unpleasant and I do not care to punish my shoulder. I do shoot my guns thru the year and prefer Weatherby Vanguard in 243 Win with 24" bbl and weatherby composite compact stock. Second choice being a T/C Venture carbine in 7mm08. Both fit well and are easy to get on target. Trigger let off is crisp at 3 #. I do not take offhand shots over 100 yards. Nor will I shoot at a running deer. More important to me is the optic on the rifle. I have settled on Sightron and Minox scopes. I also use electronic muffs to protect hearing. I used to think I could hunt in heavy woods and be quiet. Ear muffs taught me how much noise I made. I also have noticed very few people can go thru the wood areas and not make noise. I have found movement alerts deer more than crunching leaves or color of clothing. Break a limb and everything in the forest is on alert.
Checking my records of deer kills (mostly smaller Whitetails in 90 to 150 Lbs) the best results for particular calibers were 270 Win with more drop dead results than any other caliber. The caliber that resulted with 100% deer retrieved with none lost was the 243 Win. This is probably due to more concentration on bullet placement, rifles that handled well and a self limitation of 200 yards with that caliber. The deer killed with 243 averaged traveling 30 to 40 yards. Blood trails were the least visible or none found with the 243. The best blood trails were produced by 120 gr Sierra ProHunter bullet in 7mm-08. This bullet also produced the most internal damage. The 120 gr Hornady soft point 6.8 bullet out of a 270 Win. at 2800 FPS was also very effective on lungs without a lot of meat damage.
The Rifle which I refused to take hunting and soon sold was a Savage model 100 in 270 in the original high come straight plastic stock with 14" length of pull .That stock beat my shoulder and blackened my check after just 5 rounds.
Several friends switched in their 60s to Remington semi automatics for reduced recoil. I tried several but missed the accuracy of a good bolt action.
The most accurate in my experience is a Savage 100 in 7mm-08 with 24"bbl. I put an older Boyds beavertail stock on the rifle. It would put 5 shots on bullseye with all holes touching. Some groups would measure .3 CENTER TO CENTER. Much too heavy to carry very long but great from log rest. Gave it to son in law for hunting elk in Wyoming.

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Will be a mere 66 soon. At 63 switched from .300s to a .375R. Really like it. Braked, yes. I wear electronic muffs for all shooting/hunting. Brake or no brake. Hunt alone, unguided. No horses. Just a tractor. Tractor doesn't care about the brake. And don't shoot prone, cuz I'd hurt myself. So no issue with dust flying up.

The brake directs excess blast/noise obliquely - not straight back. Eg., no trouble shooting a Barrett 82CQ, but don't want to be at an adjacent line position. Think my recoil tolerance has gotten better over time. Maybe just get used to chronic pain as you age. Whatever.

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at 67 still shoot`n my Ruger # 1 257 W.mag. but i figure if i make 75 years of age i plan on using my Ruger #1 257 Roberts Mannlicher with a 20 inch barrel tell i go to Valhalla .


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I’m 75, only sold my .404J and 10 ga after shoulder surgery.

Still have and shoot my .375 H&H. Have a safe full, down to .22K-Hornet in center fire.

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