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1948 Sager chemical double bit... #15223605 09/14/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Ol man picked this up at a estate sale yesterday for a buck. Took the wire wheel to er, lookin good. Needs a sharnpnin. how to lose breast fat with exercise Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

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Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15223717 09/14/20
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 18,999 Central MS BigDave39355 Campfire Ranger
BigDave39355 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 18,999 Central MS	That’s cool. I like that kinda stuff. Dave �The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it.� Lou Holtz

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15224053 09/14/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Me too brother Dave Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15224255 09/14/20
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longarm Campfire Tracker L Joined: Mar 2017 Posts: 4,350 Oregon	A buck?! You didn't tell me that part. Score!

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15224269 09/14/20
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 18,999 Central MS BigDave39355 Campfire Ranger
BigDave39355 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 18,999 Central MS	From googling... In 1895 William J. Sager, then of Warren, Pennsylvania, was issued a patent for a chemical treatment that was intended to reduce oxidation and prolong the finish of the metal that it was applied to. The process was actually a two part procedure. The first involved dipping the metal to be forged into a chemical mixture and then hammering the metal. That was done when the metal was very hot. The second stage was part of the quenching process implemented when the metal was heated to a red hot color after being tempered. The chemical solution was actually the quenching solution. The end result was a metal tool with a deep lustrous blue coloring that was claimed to be a higher quality and more durable than metal not treated in a similar fashion. The blue coloring itself was protected by a coating of clear finish. Dave �The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it.� Lou Holtz

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Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... longarm #15224330 09/14/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by longarm A buck?! You didn't tell me that part. Score! Brother Dan, I will not devulge all secrets... 😆 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... BigDave39355 #15224335 09/14/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Very interesting brother Dave, love this shiit!! Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15224336 09/14/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Btw Dave, wonder what the 4 2 is? Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15224519 09/14/20
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FatCity67 Campfire Ranger F Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 19,583 Central Valley NorKal	Originally Posted by Judman Btw Dave, wonder what the 4 2 is? Four and half pound head. "Maybe we're all happy." "Go to the sporting goods store. From the files, obtain form 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons and lists of private ownership."

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... FatCity67 #15224704 09/15/20
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BigDave39355 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 18,999 Central MS	Originally Posted by FatCity67 Originally Posted by Judman Btw Dave, wonder what the 4 2 is? Four and half pound head. Interesting. Jud, How much did you have to wire wheel? Wonder how the chemical process protected over all this time. Doesn’t look like too bad of pitting Dave �The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it.� Lou Holtz

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Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... FatCity67 #15225199 09/15/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by FatCity67 Originally Posted by Judman Btw Dave, wonder what the 4 2 is? Four and half pound head. Makes sense, thanks fats. Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... BigDave39355 #15225203 09/15/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by BigDave39355 Originally Posted by FatCity67 Originally Posted by Judman Btw Dave, wonder what the 4 2 is? Four and half pound head. Interesting. Jud, How much did you have to wire wheel? Wonder how the chemical process protected over all this time. Doesn’t look like too bad of pitting Didn’t buff too hard on er, considering its 72, I’d say it worked pretty wel. 👍 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... BigDave39355 #15225277 09/15/20
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geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,119 Texas	Originally Posted by BigDave39355 From googling... In 1895 William J. Sager, then of Warren, Pennsylvania, was issued a patent for a chemical treatment that was intended to reduce oxidation and prolong the finish of the metal that it was applied to. The process was actually a two part procedure. The first involved dipping the metal to be forged into a chemical mixture and then hammering the metal. That was done when the metal was very hot. The second stage was part of the quenching process implemented when the metal was heated to a red hot color after being tempered. The chemical solution was actually the quenching solution. The end result was a metal tool with a deep lustrous blue coloring that was claimed to be a higher quality and more durable than metal not treated in a similar fashion. The blue coloring itself was protected by a coating of clear finish. Mighty fine score! ya! GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15225736 09/15/20
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woods_walker Campfire Tracker W Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 3,034 Kentucky	I never realized the the word "chemical" in the Sager Chemical name was related to a chemical treatment process...

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15226086 09/15/20
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Boise Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,219 Rapid City, SD, US	A form of hot bluing? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15239305 09/19/20
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BC30cal Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2007 Posts: 12,126 Okanagan Falls, BC	Originally Posted by Judman Ol man picked this up at a estate sale yesterday for a buck. Took the wire wheel to er, lookin good. Needs a sharnpnin. how to lose breast fat with exercise Judman; Good evening to you sir, I hope the day treated you acceptably and this finds you and yours well. Thanks for sharing that cool piece of history with us, I appreciate it. On another thread I believe I posted up a few of these photos, but suffice to say that old axes have become a bit of a rabbit hole with me to say the least. In the orange ones, the one on the left is simply marked Sager, no date, so I'm not sure the age but am guessing it's the '50's at the latest. Anyways if you're interested in a bit of educational and interesting reading on this subject, you'll like this site. http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears%20Tools/Home.html Thanks again for sharing your new treasure and all the best to you this season as well. Dwayne The most important stuff in life isn't "stuff"

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15239330 09/19/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Damn it Dwayne, very nice collection!!! Any up close and personal pics of the heads? I really dig that stuff. Thanks for sharin Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15239370 09/19/20
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 12,126 Okanagan Falls, BC BC30cal Campfire Outfitter
BC30cal Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2007 Posts: 12,126 Okanagan Falls, BC	Judman; Thanks for the reply sir I appreciate it. Sorry I don't have photos of the orange ones - they're orange because I use 'em and when I do up in the bush I um - misplace - them now if they're not orange.... One of the things I've gotten into is regrinding old roofing hatchets into tomahawks. If you'd like a close up of any of them I can certainly do that, but no sorry I don't have any right handy. Mostly I try for either North American or Swede built heads to fool with if at all possible. The top one is a Hultafors Bruks with the original handle and original hollow grind too - never been sharpened as in... Anyways, that's not all of them either Jud..... All the best to you and again congrats on the Sager - they're really good steel on that vintage! Dwayne The most important stuff in life isn't "stuff"

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15240302 09/20/20
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 18,999 Central MS BigDave39355 Campfire Ranger
BigDave39355 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 18,999 Central MS	B30cal, Thanks for the info, The yesteryear webpage is neat! Dave �The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it.� Lou Holtz

Re: 1948 Sager chemical double bit... Judman #15241588 09/20/20
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman OP Campfire Ranger
OP Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,167 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Dwayne, green with envy.. you’ve got some dandy’s there. Thanks for sharin Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

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