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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: Dirtfarmer] #15221903 09/14/20
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DF, Thanks, just took her to the airport this morning, she'll be home Wed evening, will have her fire some pics to your e-mail, I bet Biebs' buddys 400 H&H is or certainly will be for sale.

What's your comparison/opinions of the .416 Rem, .416 Rigby, .404J and .400 H&H?

DF


Getting an easy, and very accurate 400 grains at 2400 fps, you can go four down and pop the extractor over a 5th chambered round, but not necessary imo, splitting frog hairs yes, but .410/.411 diameter gives better sectional density numbers, and provides that velocity with only 75 grains of Varget, and, it'll likely be the only one in camp, just a bit different, like my little 400 Whelen.


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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: Puddle] #15222100 09/14/20
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I recall maybe 15 years ago many folks building 404 rifles on AR. Being guns are a hobby for many it was fun to watch. I settled on an early NH M70 416 Remington.


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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: EdM] #15222138 09/14/20
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I recall maybe 15 years ago many folks building 404 rifles on AR. Being guns are a hobby for many it was fun to watch. I settled on an early NH M70 416 Remington.

That's probably an even better buzz for the buck.

I do like the way yours is set up.

.416 Rem seems to be one of the most popular DG rounds from what I've heard, read and been told.

Good bud killed a 41" buff in Zim last year with his .416 Rigby in a Ruger RSM. PH carried a .416 Rem in an older push feed M-70. He liked the RSM, but said it was too heavy. I guess he figured on carrying his .416 Rem a lot more than shooting it. PH liked the 400 TSX, which is what took out the buff, one shot. He did run, but died. Bullet mushroomed, went thru approx 50" of buff.

Guess that PH didn't understand how "un-cool" his PF actually was... Probably not a Fire contributor, or he would have known.. blush

cool.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
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I recall maybe 15 years ago many folks building 404 rifles on AR. Being guns are a hobby for many it was fun to watch. I settled on an early NH M70 416 Remington.

That's probably an even better buzz for the buck.

I do like the way yours is set up.

.416 Rem seems to be one of the most popular DG rounds from what I've heard, read and been told.

Good bud killed a 41" buff in Zim last year with his .416 Rigby in a Ruger RSM. PH carried a .416 Rem in an older push feed M-70. He liked the RSM, but said it was too heavy. I guess he figured on carrying his .416 Rem a lot more than shooting it. PH liked the 400 TSX, which is what took out the buff, one shot. He did run, but died. Bullet mushroomed, went thru approx 50" of buff.

Guess that PH didn't understand how "un-cool" his PF actually was... Probably not a Fire contributor, or he would have known.. blush

cool.

DF

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The Ruger is too heavy and hurts to shoot I bought a CZ and liked it better when shooting so I sold the Ruger. Ruger kicks hard despite the weight. I also have a Mauser 98 416 Rem that isnt heavy and us fun to shoot

Never warmed up to the 404 Jeffery, the cartridge is just flat ass ugly




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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: Puddle] #15222569 09/14/20
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You might consider a Ruger #1 in 450-400. I love mine and it's very accurate. I load it down and hunt deer with it. Just bought another one in 405 WCF. A friend re barreled one to this and is getting 2600 FPS (I've seen it on the chronograph) with a Barnes 300gr TSX bullet. He's taken a couple of moose and bison with it.

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"Just bought another one in 405 WCF. A friend re barreled one to this and is getting 2600 FPS (I've seen it on the chronograph) with a Barnes 300gr TSX bullet. He's taken a couple of moose and bison with it."

The 1895 .405 has been loaded up to 2400 with 300 fps grain bullets . One .405 enthusiast has his 1895 .405 up to 2157 fps with 400 grain Woodleighs! That is definitely in the 450/400 Zone !


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If I ever have the chance to hunt deer in an area that only allows a straight walled cartridge I'll be all set with the 405

Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: Puddle] #15225100 09/15/20
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The old ballistics were a 400 at about 2150. The "German Ballistics" are a 400 at 2375 to 2400, same as the 416 Rigby.


I have used both back in the 70s. The 2400 FPS load is just fine and works wonderfully, and I shot a lot more game with the RWS ammo then the old original Kynoch ammo. The old Kynoch ammo I used was probably made in the 30 or 40s. But the old stuff was just fine too.

The 404 was designed to emulate the 450/400 shell, and it did that very well. There is not a thing wrong with the load at 2150. I load my own ammo now at 2150 and it does all I would ever ask of it. I do not actually see the 2400 FPS load doing anything better. It will shoot flatter, but with the rifle I was using that made no difference at all. I never fired a shot with it past about 125 yards and by far most of my shots were at 15 to 35 yards. if I want to shoot 200 yards and farther I have a perfectly good 375H&H that will do all I ask of it. Any game that might make me think of stepping up from a 375H&H is NOT shot far away and it's NOT small.

The rifle I hunted with was made by Jeffery and I was told it was a sale made to Tanganyika back when that was still a country. It was said to have been made in the early 20s.
My 404 now is one I made in a style very similar. The old gun was a single square bridge and those actions are costly and hard to find, so I use a standard GEW size action. I used London Guns bottom metal made for a 375H&H which I opened up for the larger 404 cartridge. Because I am getting old I compromised with my nostalgic side and mounted a 2X scope. The old Jeffery only had the irons, but they were perfectly good for all I ever wanted to use that gun for. The one I made for myself has folding express sights at 100, 200 and 300, all zeroed with the 2150 FPS load. The 100 Yard blade also is spot on at 21 yards for the 1st intersection of it's trajectory, so for most shots it is about perfect for anything I would use I would ask of a 404.
Here is my rifle today (uncheckered at the time of the pic)

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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: szihn] #15225418 09/15/20
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Nice, Steve, as usual.

Interesting rifles, interesting story.

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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: Dirtfarmer] #15225901 09/15/20
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DF, I like your 2-rifle battery of 404 Jeffery & 9.3x62.

I have two AHR 9.3x62s and a 9.3x66, all made by Wayne. Great rifles!

I have taken my Dakota Safari 404 Jeffery to Zambia three times now, and have used three different mediums to accompany it; 338WM, 35 Whelen & 375 H&H.

I believe the next time I go, I'll take one of those 9.3s...or my Dakota Classic Deluxe in 338-06.

In any case, the 404 is going!! She has open sights, and the mediums are all scoped.

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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: surefire7] #15226286 09/15/20
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I do believe you got it covered... grin

Post some photos if you have them.

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Re: 404 Jeff - Who still offering rifles? [Re: AK416] #15241653 09/20/20
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Originally Posted by AK416
I am in the process of finishing up a 404 Jeffery build on a Defiance Rebel CRF action with a 21.5" PacNor #5 in a Bansner Sheep Hunter stock.

Waiting ln Hawkins aluminum bottom metal and Wyatts 300PRC mag kit to arrive so I can assemble and sort out feeding.

Will finish around 6 3/4lb bare and should be a real bear thumper.



As a follow up to my previous post.....I got the Bansner stock pillar bedded and everything assembled this weekend. The feeding from the magazine is spot on, working the bolt both slow and fast.

In that stock/bottom metal combo, 2+1 is all that fits in the box. The only challenge left to sort out is that it is very firm trying to slip the extractor claw over the 3rd round.

Only loaded 10rds of 300gr CEB Raptors over 82gr RL17 to test function. Quickload shows approximately 2700fps though I've not yet chrono'd to verify. Recoil is healthy but easy to handle.

Overall, very happy thus far with the build.


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