It's a 'I hate to say I told you so' story, but to reiterate, Canada has extended the closures in small amounts to keep the US from becoming too angry. We will keep the border closed because of the number of cases in the US.
Canada to keep border with U.S. closed until at least Oct. 21, says source
Source says Canadians should expect border to remain closed for longer Katie Simpson, Peter Zimonjic · CBC News · Posted: Sep 15, 2020 7:35 PM ET
The federal government will extend the Canada-U.S. land border closure for another 30 days until Oct. 21, CBC News has learned.
A source with direct knowledge of the situation, who spoke to CBC on the condition they not be named, said Canadians should expect the possibility the border will remain closed for longer.
The source told CBC News that the federal government is waiting to see evidence that the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States is being managed efficiently before the government considers opening up non-essential travel between the two countries.
The border has been closed to non-essential travel for months. With caseloads still high in many U.S. states, the two governments have mutually agreed to continue restricting movement across the world's longest international border.
The closure has resulted in a dramatic drop in traffic between the two countries, although essential workers — such as truck drivers and health-care professionals — are still able to cross by land. Canadians are still able to fly to U.S. destinations.
In June a man travelling from Alaska to the continental United States was charged with violating Canada's Quarantine Act. He was accused of twice failing to follow COVID-19 public safety rules while in Banff.
If he's found to have violated a quarantine order, he could be fined up to $750,000 or sentenced to six months in jail.
U.S. travellers are barred from driving through national parks, leisure sites and tourism locations and receive a hang tag for their rear-view mirror indicating the date they must depart Canada.
However, some Banff residents have started calling the rule the "Alaska loophole" after spotting American plates around the Alberta tourism hotspot.
They could, but it would be seen as retaliatory. Given the large difference in the numbers of COVID cases between the two countries, there haven't been any too many objections. It is what it is.
Its complete insanity. Ive been working on a road job the last few weeks and we are getting car loads of asians coming through the territory. Many cant even speak english, but they have BC plates ( rentals) so they are allowed in.
Private business owners are getting fed up and from what Im hearing both the Territorial and Federal governments are going to pay for this nonsense in the next elections.
Anyone with an IQ 2 points above plant life should be able to figure out that the spike in numbers in the US is directly related to the number of tests they are doing. Canada has far more cases than most realize, they just aren't testing nearly as many people.
Maybe the U.S. should adopt the same policies toward Canadians.
The US does not have to do that. We are already restricted from travel there by our own gov'ts here in the east by a mandatory 14day self isolation before we can go back into public places and / or work. Long story short is that we do not want to travel anywhere, south included.
The leadership in the U.S. has not been great when it comes to the pandemic. In the New England states the governor’s got it right, although painful for many in various businesses. Taxes have only one way to go after all the stimulus by the Fed’s, regardless who gets elected.
The leadership in the U.S. has not been great when it comes to the pandemic. In the New England states the governor’s got it right, although painful for many in various businesses. Taxes have only one way to go after all the stimulus by the Fed’s, regardless who gets elected.
New England isn't representative of the entire U.S., 14.8M people living in 72K square miles, with 77% of those people living in 24% of the space that is represented by CT, MA, and RI.
In contrasts, Neberaska has 1.9M people in 77K Square miles.
The point being that a good choice in a densely populated area may be excessively restrictive for a thinly populated area.
The leadership in the U.S. has not been great when it comes to the pandemic. In the New England states the governor’s got it right, although painful for many in various businesses. Taxes have only one way to go after all the stimulus by the Fed’s, regardless who gets elected.
For those who think the Cdn govt has it in for US citizens, why would you think that?
The decision to restrict movement of people back and forth might have officially been okayed by a politician, but the evidence comes from doctors. Don't think for a minute that Trudeau decided this on his own. He has trouble tying his shoes. He uses velcro.
Personally, I have no problem with "being too safe". But my opinion wasn't solicited either.
This data is from yesterday.
The Cdn cases on the left are the actual number of persons who had or presently have COVID-19. 90% of that number have already recovered. The x10 number to the right is for anyone who might say, but Canada's population is 10% of the US. So I multiplied by 10.
Cdn Cases 139K - Raw nos. Canada has 2% of the sickness rate of the US - x10 = 1.39M (adjusted - approx. 5 times fewer cases than the US)
Deaths 9,188 - Raw nos. Canada has less than 5% of the deaths - x 10 = 91,880 Raw nos. (adjusted - Canada has experienced less than half of the deaths) --
For those who think the Cdn govt has it in for US citizens, why would you think that?
The decision to restrict movement of people back and forth might have officially been okayed by a politician, but the evidence comes from doctors. Don't think for a minute that Trudeau decided this on his own. He has trouble tying his shoes. He uses velcro.
Personally, I have no problem with "being too safe". But my opinion wasn't solicited either.
This data is from yesterday.
The Cdn cases on the left are the actual number of persons who had or presently have COVID-19. 90% of that number have already recovered. The x10 number to the right is for anyone who might say, but Canada's population is 10% of the US. So I multiplied by 10.
Cdn Cases 139K - Raw nos. Canada has 2% of the sickness rate of the US - x10 = 1.39M (adjusted - approx. 5 times fewer cases than the US)
Deaths 9,188 - Canada has less than 5% of the deaths - x 10 = 91,880 Raw nos. (adjusted - Canada has experienced less than half of the deaths) --
That ^ is true only if you believe the official numbers. Some very credible sources put the actual covid deaths in the US at 6% of the official numbers you cite. Right from the beginning it was apparent that this mess was ripe for inflated numbers. Hospitals in the US were getting something like 13k for every single covid patient that walked in the door. The price went up if they actually had to do anything.
My opinion wasn't solicited either, but its pretty hard to deny the real numbers that are coming out now. The average age of those who have actually died from covid is 79. Last time I looked at the stats of my home state of California there had been something like 9000 deaths..... out of roughly 40 million people. ( Canada has about 37 million so the numbers are close) Break it all down and you have a much greater chance of getting killed on your way to work than you do from covid.
I dont know about the CND government having it "in" for Americans, but I can tell you this first hand, American travellers have been treated like dirt by Yukon and BC residents. Its made the papers here. Ive been staying at one of the few "designated" hotels right here in Whitehorse for work the last few weeks where Americans are "allowed" to overnight on their way through the Territory. Ive seen it more than once myself. Makes you wonder if those people or anyone they talk to will ever want to come back, to hunt, fish or anything else. I wouldn't.
We've "played it safe" long enough. Lets get back to business while we still have a chance to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in. If you're worried about getting sick, stay home.
That ^ is true only if you believe the official numbers. Some very credible sources put the actual covid deaths in the US at 6% of the official numbers you cite
Then what you have to do is provide credible sources to support your position.
This is from the US today, and indicates 6.64 million cases and 196,000 deaths.
I am thinking that the deferral of my 16 day goat, moose and elk hunt out of Toad River BC to 2021 might be great with little to no hunting in the area this year. The outfitter hinted early on and has now requested a bit more deposit prior to the hunt and I have zero issues with that.
Lorne; Good evening to you sir, I hope the day was a good one for you and this finds you well.
If you're in touch with your grandson, let him know there's lots of folks here in BC wishing them well in their endeavors for sure.
We're within a half hour of the US border here and know or better said knew a few folks in the forest fire fighting business. Whenever possible they'll go stateside and help out if asked to do so.
It's my understanding the Canuck crews are typically quite good at what they do, which makes sense as they've had a metric ton of interface fire practice here in BC in the last few years.
Anyways, for a lot of us rural mountain and bush dwellers, the fire fighters have a special spot in our prayers.
Lorne; Good evening to you sir, I hope the day was a good one for you and this finds you well.
If you're in touch with your grandson, let him know there's lots of folks here in BC wishing them well in their endeavors for sure.
We're within a half hour of the US border here and know or better said knew a few folks in the forest fire fighting business. Whenever possible they'll go stateside and help out if asked to do so.
It's my understanding the Canuck crews are typically quite good at what they do, which makes sense as they've had a metric ton of interface fire practice here in BC in the last few years.
Anyways, for a lot of us rural mountain and bush dwellers, the fire fighters have a special spot in our prayers.
All the best to you all this fall sir.
Dwayne
Dwayne
Always good to hear from you. Hopeful that the world is treating you and yours well.
Every day is a good one , today I had the pleasure of helping my brother move some cattle after work. I find myself enjoying that type of thing more all the time although I have to be a little more careful as my reflexes are slower each year 😉
Will be happy to do so , he is going to let me know where in Oregon their destination is later this evening.
We too are within 25 miles, as the crow flies, from the Montana border and have much in common with our neighbors across the 49th. This dry prairie country has limited brush but , when the occasion arises, the firefighters are quite welcome 👍 sight.
BTW, I didn’t vote for Lamont nor do I drink the cool aid. I’ve been a registered Independent for 50 years. Leadership is well defined. Some are leaders others are not but are in positions of leadership. Each of us defines who we think is doing a good job or not.
I side with the science, the doctors, those doctors and nurses I know who are on the front lines, some had it and recovered.
I am not a fan of Pelosi, AOC, or the other progressives - the bottom line is the present slate on both aisles the best this country has to offer? If Pence ran, I’d vote for him. Enough said.
Not that I don't like Canadians, but if none came here, we sure wouldn't miss them! Good for goose , good for Gander!
I’ll tell my grandson, he and several colleagues are going to Oregon tomorrow to fight fire. His employer volunteered them, is paying costs, etc.
I'm sure that there will be lots of good folk in Oregon that will be glad to see those CDNs arrive to help out.
Originally Posted by Heym06
Not that I don't like Canadians, but if none came here, we sure wouldn't miss them! Good for goose , good for Gander!
There is no goose & gander. As mentioned earlier in the thread, our own gov't has restricted our travel south with measures in place to limit it.
That's a shame you feel that way about those who visit. On a normal year we have lots of Americans here every summer and they are more than welcome.
Supercub
Thanks , they left this morning , bound for Redmond (not sure where to from there ) . Four from this specific area I understand others from other locations as well.
Just so its very clear , the US government (not Canadian) has shut down ground travel into the US by , except for essential traffic
Then what you have to do is provide credible sources to support your position.
The CDC website stated 153,504 related COVID deaths between March and August, but only 6% of those were solely from COVID, ergo 9,210 people died from COVID alone in a country of 350,000,000+. Which is .000026% of the country died over 5 months from an engineered flu. Please attempt to be more smug because you suck at it.
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
Okay, I'll try to be more smug. This is from the CDC website. Try to be more accurate because you suck at it.
USA 6,613,331 TOTAL CASES +41,464 Cases since yesterday CDC | Updated: Sep 17 2020 12:17PM USA 196,277 TOTAL DEATHS +1,224 Deaths since yesterday CDC | Updated: Sep 17 2020 12:17PM USA 269,769 Cases in Last 7 Days CDC | Updated: Sep 17 2020 12:17PM
I've Canadian friends. Interacted with dozens and dozens more. Very close friend with a dual citizenship wife. Very, very high percentage that I've know from Saskatchewan and Alberta were grade A good folks.
Other than dietary and occasional oddities you'd never know they weren't from the Dakotas or Montana. Not that that's a benchmark, but just giving context.
Redgwell exemplifies the stereotype of the arrogant know-nothing commonwealth effete. His type are why you guys have Trudeau et al.
Okay, I'll try to be more smug. This is from the CDC website. Try to be more accurate because you suck at it.
USA 6,613,331 TOTAL CASES +41,464 Cases since yesterday CDC | Updated: Sep 17 2020 12:17PM USA 196,277 TOTAL DEATHS +1,224 Deaths since yesterday CDC | Updated: Sep 17 2020 12:17PM USA 269,769 Cases in Last 7 Days CDC | Updated: Sep 17 2020 12:17PM
So total deaths of COVID Alone with your updated numbers (196277 * .06 = 11776)
~11,776 people died from COVID alone to date... in a country of 350+ Million. Only someone who is inept at math can act as smug as you.
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
There's nothing I can do to help with the CDC stats. It's pointless to be angry with me, but if you need someone to vent on, be my guest.
Steve,
I'm not 'angry', but I detest your elitist attitude you used with a previous poster. To reiterate...I used CDC's own numbers where they admitted in late August only ~6% of the ~153K total deaths of those who had COVID, ONLY had COVID. They have since hidden/removed that chart, but we can obviously apply that to their 196K number today.... so shutting down the world's largest economy for 12,000 people is reasonable to you..?
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
I'm not 'angry', but I detest your elitist attitude you used with a previous poster. To reiterate...I used CDC's own numbers where they admitted in late August only ~6% of the ~153K total deaths of those who had COVID, ONLY had COVID. They have since hidden/removed that chart, but we can obviously apply that to their 196K number today.... so shutting down the world's largest economy for 12,000 people is reasonable to you..?
It wasn't elitist. I returned fire.
If the CDC said that only 6% of the 153,000 deaths were COVID related, but the 6% figure has been removed, then why would I include it? I didn't see it anywhere. The only thing I saw is what they posted. Does anyone have a creditable source that can support the figure?
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention hasn’t drastically reduced the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19, but posts making that bogus claim have been circulating widely — with the help of President Donald Trump, who retweeted one such claim on Aug. 30.
Twitter has since removed the original tweet, which came from an account dedicated to the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon. But the claim is still readily available on all the major social media platforms. In fact, the same QAnon account that posted the now-deleted tweet includes a screenshot version featuring the president’s retweet.
The post Trump highlighted said: “This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That’s 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age.”
I'm not 'angry', but I detest your elitist attitude you used with a previous poster. To reiterate...I used CDC's own numbers where they admitted in late August only ~6% of the ~153K total deaths of those who had COVID, ONLY had COVID. They have since hidden/removed that chart, but we can obviously apply that to their 196K number today.... so shutting down the world's largest economy for 12,000 people is reasonable to you..?
It wasn't elitist. I returned fire.
If the CDC said that only 6% of the 153,000 deaths were COVID related, but the 6% figure has been removed, then why would I include it? I didn't see it anywhere. The only thing I see is what they posted. Does anyone have a creditable source that can support the figure?
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention hasn’t drastically reduced the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19, but posts making that bogus claim have been circulating widely — with the help of President Donald Trump, who retweeted one such claim on Aug. 30.
Twitter has since removed the original tweet, which came from an account dedicated to the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon. But the claim is still readily available on all the major social media platforms. In fact, the same QAnon account that posted the now-deleted tweet includes a screenshot version featuring the president’s retweet.
The post Trump highlighted said: “This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That’s 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age.”
But that’s not what the CDC information says.
I was hoping you would use that link... Now from that link alone, read this...
"For the week referenced in the claim, the CDC explained that the chart “shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”
That means that 6% of those who died with COVID-19 through Aug. 15 didn’t have any other reported conditions."
So again, that means that only 6% of those who died ONLY HAD COVID. Meaning the other 94% had OTHER HEALTH ISSUES.
Luckily I found the copy of the CDC website to support it. It states, and I quote "For 6% of the deaths, COVID was the ONLY CAUSE mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID, on average, there were 2.6 ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS or CAUSES PER DEATH."
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
Ok, I do not know what that link is, but I have to ask, why was it removed?
Was it removed because the statement was incorrect, or are you suggesting something else?
Farther down in the same article, this is written.
The following morning, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, clarified what the CDC data mean.
He noted that the 6% figure includes cases where COVID-19 was listed as the only cause of death. “That does not mean that someone who has hypertension or diabetes who dies of Covid didn’t die of Covid-19. They did,” Fauci said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
“So the numbers you’ve been hearing — the 180,000-plus deaths — are real deaths from Covid-19. Let [there] not be any confusion about that,” Fauci said.
Other versions of the claim are misleading, rather than being strictly false. One example is a headline on the conservative outlet Gateway Pundit, which announced: “This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses.”
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
Ok, but I am going to side with Dr. Fauci. I believe the figure was removed because it was misleading.
It was removed because it shows the truth, and they didn't want to allow their facade to collapse. Only 6% of those who are listed as dying from COVID died from COVID ALONE. Let me attempt to create an analogy...
If a man has a heart attack from decades of obesity and falls upon the metro station's tracks, and he is rendered by the incoming train would you honestly consider that a death that should be attributed to the danger of mass public transit?
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
I've Canadian friends. Interacted with dozens and dozens more. Very close friend with a dual citizenship wife. Very, very high percentage that I've know from Saskatchewan and Alberta were grade A good folks.
Other than dietary and occasional oddities you'd never know they weren't from the Dakotas or Montana. Not that that's a benchmark, but just giving context.
Redgwell exemplifies the stereotype of the arrogant know-nothing commonwealth effete. His type are why you guys have Trudeau et al.
Having lived in Calgary for just shy of five years and managing an oil sands expansion project in Ft. Saskatewan I would have to agree.
Ok, but I am going to side with Dr. Fauci. I believe the figure was removed because it was misleading.
It was removed because it shows the truth, and they didn't want to allow their facade to collapse. Only 6% of those who are listed as dying from COVID died from COVID ALONE. Let me attempt to create an analogy...
If a man has a heart attack from decades of obesity and falls upon the metro station's tracks, and he is rendered by the incoming train would you honestly consider that a death that should be attributed to the danger of mass public transit?
I understand what you are saying, but as was stated in the article, COVID-19 exacerbated the conditions. It weakened them. Had they not contracted COVID-19, those individuals would still be alive.
I understand what you are saying, but as was stated in the article, COVID-19 exacerbated the conditions. It weakened them. Had they not contracted COVID-19, those individuals would still be alive.
Those people ON AVERAGE, per the CDC, had 2.6 other health issues... and the average age was 75+, so at that point nearly ANYTHING could take them down. The point being is that this whole charade is exactly that, a dystopian play to instill fear in the masses and allow .gov to encroach ever more against Liberty. Sadly, most have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
Have a good night Steve.
"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
Ok, but I am going to side with Dr. Fauci. I believe the figure was removed because it was misleading.
It was removed because it shows the truth, and they didn't want to allow their facade to collapse. Only 6% of those who are listed as dying from COVID died from COVID ALONE. Let me attempt to create an analogy...
If a man has a heart attack from decades of obesity and falls upon the metro station's tracks, and he is rendered by the incoming train would you honestly consider that a death that should be attributed to the danger of mass public transit?
Some of you here know me or know "of" me. My wife and I BOTH love Canada dearly. We have a deep respect for the country. BUT, we are both in our mid 70's, BOTH is good health, NO underlying conditions. We are ALL going to die of something, but in my case it is NOT going to be fear. We personally know of no one that has tested positive, or anyone that has Covid, the China flu. My sister in law and been institutionalized for over 10 (TEN) years for Alzheimers and died recently. Her death was listed as covid19. TOTAL BS. I work in a building that housed well over 400 people. There have been about a dozen or so here since March. I have not missed and hour of work this whole time. The fear factor is unbelievable.
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We had a family conversation re: Covid noted on death certificates when people have other issues going on. My brother in law ( a hospital administrator) was explaining to us at dinner one night because his brother had the same issue - it’s bs. Tom noted that when people die and they have various health issues, it’s the cascading decline due to all of those factors and they are listed. In the past 20 months I have seen 16 client death certificates and all had multiple reasons that contributed to death. One 93 year old it was listed as Covid and several other issues. She contracted it in the nursing home. If they didn’t have Covid, some certainly would have lived longer, a relative term when one is pretty sick. Bottom line it’s listed as one of the causes on the DC and tabulated. My feelings about wearing a mask ( I have one daughter that’s a nurse, the other a Physical Therapist) is it helps, bottom line. That being said I would tell the anti maskers and don’t stomp on my personal freedom folks is simple, don’t clog the hospitals if you contract the VID. I’m disappointed that we can’t go to NF moose hunting this year. And I agree the fear factor is huge, but that being said I spoke to a two doctor clientsoif mine that got it. Him from visits to the nursing home, her from him! He was in the hospital for months, then rehab and is now home slowly recovering. He was a healthy 75 year old, her 66 yo and diabetic. It affects everyone differently and we cant’ take our health for granted. She told me if she got it as bad as her husband, she would have died from it.
Ok, but I am going to side with Dr. Fauci. I believe the figure was removed because it was misleading.
It was removed because it shows the truth, and they didn't want to allow their facade to collapse. Only 6% of those who are listed as dying from COVID died from COVID ALONE. Let me attempt to create an analogy...
If a man has a heart attack from decades of obesity and falls upon the metro station's tracks, and he is rendered by the incoming train would you honestly consider that a death that should be attributed to the danger of mass public transit?
Some of you here know me or know "of" me. My wife and I BOTH love Canada dearly. We have a deep respect for the country. BUT, we are both in our mid 70's, BOTH is good health, NO underlying conditions. We are ALL going to die of something, but in my case it is NOT going to be fear. We personally know of no one that has tested positive, or anyone that has Covid, the China flu. My sister in law and been institutionalized for over 10 (TEN) years for Alzheimers and died recently. Her death was listed as covid19. TOTAL BS. I work in a building that housed well over 400 people. There have been about a dozen or so here since March. I have not missed and hour of work this whole time. The fear factor is unbelievable.
Old school character Longbeardking. To bad it isn't more common these days. People are scared to death of everything. I just dont get it. Glad to hear you kept your life normal. Ive been working on a highway project the last few weeks and Ive seen entire families go by in cars all wearing masks....Im not kidding, and the project was in the middle of nowhere, hundreds of kilometres from the nearest town. Shows you how far gone common sense really is. Anyone who thinks a mask is in any way going to keep them from getting covid ( or anything else) in the close confines of a car isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
On our ambulance crew we havent worn masks since this started. Saw a doctor on the news the other night talking about how ridiculous the notion is that they will prevent one from getting covid; especially the cloth masks that the vast majority of people are wearing.
I live in an area with a lot of retired folks. My wife works on the ambulance with me and does home care when we are not in the bush running our lodge. The fact is that even the common cold can and does weaken the elderly to the point they end up in the hospital, and sometimes they dont survive. Im sure covid has the same effect, but that doesn't mean we should shut down the entire economy. Other common sense measures that we have been practicing for decades still work just fine.
We are losing our liberty and freedom at an alarming rate, and its amazing how so many people can be duped into going along with it.
yukon254; Good morning to you sir, I hope the day's a tad brighter/less smoky for you folks up north and all else is as it needs to be with you and yours.
When this entire beer flu thing started out, I - being what my wife calls a "data miner" - searched the net for what places like South Korea and Taiwan did, as they seemed to get a very fast handle on it.
There was a youtube channel which I believe was "Asian Boss" where the interviewer was talking to the lead virologist in South Korea about masks. Now to give background, this was at the time where the US Surgeon General and our own Dr. Tam were saying masks would not work with this virus.
In very kind and careful words, the Korean doctor said that if masks, properly worn, did not reduce incidents of spreading bacteria, it was news to him as that was precisely why the entire medical community had done it for years - well nearly a century I guess.
Then of course later the spokesfolks for the powers that be flipped and flopped a couple times on the subject of masks.
My personal issue with it is this - if they'll intentionally mislead us about something as straightforward as using a filter, then truly is not the sky the limit for them?
So for several reasons then, I'm not an "anti-masker" in that it might could work and I very much believe in being a grey man in times such as these as it's proven to be prudent for me to do so more than once. Before leaving this topic, no I do not believe I shall perish from beer flu - but - as an unusually healthy guy for most of my life, I'd be the poster child to have it and perhaps spread it unknowingly to very elderly friends and neighbors that I'm in weekly contact with.
None of this is to imply that I disagree one tiny iota with your concern that we've already lost and are continuing to lose our personal freedoms. Honestly it started - to my way of thinking - shortly after 9/11 and has continued at what you've aptly termed an alarming rate.
Lastly, I was absolutely dismayed to read that BC residents were not being good hosts to visitors from anywhere, for sure from our neighbors across the medicine line.
In my view, the media as a whole in Canada tends to be so anti-US anything that it's difficult to get a clear picture on anything stateside from them. I've pretty much stopped watching television, but will listen to the local valley news from the Kelowna station once in awhile and even they are affected by the bias. This is nettlesome and not constructive to say the least, you know?
I feel that we should do what we can to prevent the spread of COVID, but be sure those measures are truly effective. An N95 mask does just that, filters 95% of the air. That obviously means 5% is not filtered. Would you feel safe being around someone who has COVID, knowing 5% of their exhaled breath is not filtered? I sure wouldn't. If our gas masks in the Marine Corps only filtered 95% of chemical or biological agents, the outcome would certainly be death. I'm no expert, but I also am intelligent to not eat crap just because someone tries to feed it to me. I also don't put too much stock into someone saying, "I know a doctor who said x y and z about COVID" Not every doctor is qualified to speak on infectious disease control. If every doctor knew everything, there would be no need for specialists, but reality says otherwise. I have always been treated very well in Saskatchewan, and can't wait to go back. I made good friends with my outfitter and his family. Hopefully, the Lord willing, I'll get to return to the north woods soon. Thanks to those keeping us informed of the current border situation.
It's the droplet size. Even most masks will work to a degree.
I joke if I get it, I may not die, I'll only wish I had.
There is a certain amount of difference between caution and fear. When we came apon a sow grizzly and her cubs while hunting, we weren't afraid, but we thought it wise to go the other way.
Not that I don't like Canadians, but if none came here, we sure wouldn't miss them! Good for goose , good for Gander!
I’ll tell my grandson, he and several colleagues are going to Oregon tomorrow to fight fire. His employer volunteered them, is paying costs, etc.
I'm sure that there will be lots of good folk in Oregon that will be glad to see those CDNs arrive to help out.
Originally Posted by Heym06
Not that I don't like Canadians, but if none came here, we sure wouldn't miss them! Good for goose , good for Gander!
There is no goose & gander. As mentioned earlier in the thread, our own gov't has restricted our travel south with measures in place to limit it.
That's a shame you feel that way about those who visit. On a normal year we have lots of Americans here every summer and they are more than welcome.
Supercub
Thanks , they left this morning , bound for Redmond (not sure where to from there ) . Four from this specific area I understand others from other locations as well.
Just so its very clear , the US government (not Canadian) has shut down ground travel into the US by , except for essential traffic
All the best
Lorne; Good afternoon to you sir, I hope the week was a good one for you and this finds you well.
On the shop radio today they said that 207 BC wildfire crew shipped out yesterday night and this morning for Oregon as well.
Even though we're still working on 21 fires currently in BC, we sent them down as it looked like the neighbors could use a hand.
These last few posts have been heartwarming to read. Most of you people show great compassion and common sense. I am under the impression that we all agree on one thing at least. The media is fanning the embers to keep the flames of dishonesty and deceit burning. Stay safe my friends.
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Good to hear from you. The week was a good one ( they are all good) and hopefully the same for you.
That is a bunch for sure. Not sure how many left Saskatchewan but my grandson and his crew of 4 went to Cranbrook yesterday and left there this morning for Redmond.
I didn’t realize that you had as many active fires out there . Hopefully these are being well managed and are not having to big of a negative impact on every day life
Exactly, I look at our friends to the south as neighbors with the meaning that my grandfather shared with us .He homesteaded in this area 115 years ago and I understand more each day what he meant
In any event wishes for safety and success to every one of those young men and women
The leadership in the U.S. has not been great when it comes to the pandemic. In the New England states the governor’s got it right, although painful for many in various businesses. Taxes have only one way to go after all the stimulus by the Fed’s, regardless who gets elected.
Dwayne, we have been getting quite a bit of smoke up this way as well. Its cooling off quickly now and that seems to help a bit. Im getting my gear ready to head to the bush tomorrow. The outfitter I guide for once our fishing season is over, ( Ceaser Lake Outfitters) managed to book me a couple of hunts this year. Im looking forward to getting back out and away from all the lunacy.
One thing I have noticed is that I spend so much time in the bush with my fishing, trapping, and guiding that I dont do well with all the craziness as some folks seem too. I just finished up a three week stint with highways. They were doing some new chip seal and needed an EMR. That is the first job I have had in over three decades where I wasn't guiding or working for myself. The crew I was on was a good one, we put in extremely long hours and everyone worked hard, but the political correctness the higher ups was a bit hard to take. Luckily the foreman was able to insulate us from that to a certain extent, otherwise the job would have been unbearable to me.
I agree it all started with 9/11. I know very few who have read the Patriot Act; I have, and I believe it took more freedom from Americans than any other document ever has, and republicans gave us that.
I am still hopeful that I will be able to operate my trapline trips this winter. I guess time will tell. If not I will spend the winter cutting trail and I need to build a new cabin so my time wont go to waste. Hope your fall season is a good one. Dave
When one motorcycle accident victim is listed as having died of Covid, I immediately have to question all stats. When one terminal cancer patient is listed as having died of covid, I have more reason to distrust the stats. The truth is this; we are being fed information which is supportive of a given narrative. We are not given pure facts. We should be told where cases are and the circumstances of transmission. Instead, we are just told to be afraid and wear a mask. In rural BC, most small towns have not and will not see a case of covid-19. Members of these communities could get together for a group hug (though there are few neighbours I would care to hug) and the chance of Covid transmission is zero. Yet government reps want us to wear our masks. Here, we could include the residents of Eureka, Montana in that hug and the effect would probably be the same. The takeaway is, if you do not have covid and your friends and family don't have covid, you don't have to wear a mask, avoid contact, or stand six feet apart. Our government spokespeople have carefully tried to avoid telling us where cases are, where they originated, or what the circumstances of transmission might have been. A significant number of covid deaths, in BC, have been in long term care facilities, in the lower mainland. The victims have been older than typical life expectancy. Since these facilities have not been allowing visitors, the conclusion has to be that the virus was brought into the facilities by employees. Dr. Faucci is on record saying, the wearing of masks is probably of no value. Later, it almost seemed as if he was pressured into saying it was OK to wear a mask and this became the mandatory mask requirements we are seeing in some areas today. It seems slightly strange that both Canada and the US are disallowing travel across the border, on land but flying in is OK. So, it seems that two people, isolated in a car, are likely to be a threat but the same two people, after wandering through a crowded airport then spending a couple hours on a flying incubator, are just fine. A Canadian who flies to the US will have to self-quarantine when they return. However, the passengers from elsewhere have no such requirement. I would guess that the necessity for supporting the airline industry trumps any health concerns. If they can't make enough money from passengers, governments will just throw them a few million; we can pay for that later. The point is, there is an awful lot of BS being shoveled. Special interests are being looked after while the rest of us pay. GD
When one motorcycle accident victim is listed as having died of Covid, I immediately have to question all stats. When one terminal cancer patient is listed as having died of covid, I have more reason to distrust the stats. The truth is this; we are being fed information which is supportive of a given narrative. We are not given pure facts. We should be told where cases are and the circumstances of transmission. Instead, we are just told to be afraid and wear a mask. In rural BC, most small towns have not and will not see a case of covid-19. Members of these communities could get together for a group hug (though there are few neighbours I would care to hug) and the chance of Covid transmission is zero. Yet government reps want us to wear our masks. Here, we could include the residents of Eureka, Montana in that hug and the effect would probably be the same. The takeaway is, if you do not have covid and your friends and family don't have covid, you don't have to wear a mask, avoid contact, or stand six feet apart. Our government spokespeople have carefully tried to avoid telling us where cases are, where they originated, or what the circumstances of transmission might have been. A significant number of covid deaths, in BC, have been in long term care facilities, in the lower mainland. The victims have been older than typical life expectancy. Since these facilities have not been allowing visitors, the conclusion has to be that the virus was brought into the facilities by employees. Dr. Faucci is on record saying, the wearing of masks is probably of no value. Later, it almost seemed as if he was pressured into saying it was OK to wear a mask and this became the mandatory mask requirements we are seeing in some areas today. It seems slightly strange that both Canada and the US are disallowing travel across the border, on land but flying in is OK. So, it seems that two people, isolated in a car, are likely to be a threat but the same two people, after wandering through a crowded airport then spending a couple hours on a flying incubator, are just fine. A Canadian who flies to the US will have to self-quarantine when they return. However, the passengers from elsewhere have no such requirement. I would guess that the necessity for supporting the airline industry trumps any health concerns. If they can't make enough money from passengers, governments will just throw them a few million; we can pay for that later. The point is, there is an awful lot of BS being shoveled. Special interests are being looked after while the rest of us pay. GD
WELL said, VERY well said.
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Been travelling the Yukon since the border opened up for us BCers, All I can say is ..craziness has no borders.. See people out on their boats fishing wearing a mask..REALLY... WTF
From what I've seen on the news i think its already begun. They are burning and pillaging cities as we speak. People are being killed. Now that Trump has a chance to place another justice to the bench, things are really going to get ugly....even Canadians are getting involved. A nutcase professor from Waterloo publicly called for the left to "burn it down," if Trump and Mitch try to nominate another justice to the supreme court. To me and others that is terrorist threat plain and simple. The guy should be arrested and charged. One thing is certain, we are as close to a civil war as it gets. Conservatives wont sit idly by much longer. Some have already taken up arms.
That magic word has been spoken. CITIES. Cities have always been the armpit of states. You could put most city people in the middle of a huge farm in the middle of a famine and most would starve to death.
You can see how they perform right now. They know better than to come into the country, because this is what they will face. No joke. MOST of the people I know are just too old to fight, that is why trigger squeeze is so important. We also know enough to dial 811 BEFORE we dig. It's the law.
NRA Endowment Life Member (and proud of it)
Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. - Plato
Ithink i we need to reschedule my trip as that's not a priority for me before
OK.
Ed:; Top of the morning to you sir, I hope that the sky is clearer for you if you're still in your northern home and all is well with you and your fine family.
Hopefully I can be forgiven for placing tongue firmly in cheek prior to this response, but the post from our new member reminded me of this somehow.
Now it may, or conversely may not be of interest to anyone, that the second part of the announcement pays homage to this film.
If I was to guess I'd think that was John Milius' doing as he was a bit of a history and I believe firearms enthusiast as well.
Anyways sir, back to our regular programming - even for those behind the lines....
I cannot believe members aren't better read on the CDC.
Even today the CDC is still vacillating on the use of masks. Do the masks do any good is the CDC current topic.
The only thing they can agree ones white masks cannot worn after Sept.
A lot has happened to the CDC since it's establishment in '42 to fight malaria.
However, the CDC has widened its work to include addictions, chronic diseases, school health, nutrition, injuries and racial and ethnic approaches to community health , a sign of mission creep and idealogical corruption.
The CDC has spent hundreds of millions of tax dollars for failed prevention efforts, lavish facilities and international junkets, but cannot ever demonstrate it is controlling disease.
Therehave been reports documenting multi- million dollar CDC studies on prevention of gun violence,hoe parents should discipline children,and chronic health health conditions among lesbians gays and bisexual .
All addressed by other agencies.
The money could have been used to prepare for communicable diseases.
Don't quote anything about the CDC unless you want to appear in the same game as they are playing.
I cannot believe members aren't better read on the CDC.
Even today the CDC is still vacillating on the use of masks. Do the masks do any good is the CDC current topic.
The only thing they can agree ones white masks cannot worn after Sept.
A lot has happened to the CDC since it's establishment in '42 to fight malaria.
However, the CDC has widened its work to include addictions, chronic diseases, school health, nutrition, injuries and racial and ethnic approaches to community health , a sign of mission creep and idealogical corruption.
The CDC has spent hundreds of millions of tax dollars for failed prevention efforts, lavish facilities and international junkets, but cannot ever demonstrate it is controlling disease.
Therehave been reports documenting multi- million dollar CDC studies on prevention of gun violence,hoe parents should discipline children,and chronic health health conditions among lesbians gays and bisexual .
All addressed by other agencies.
The money could have been used to prepare for communicable diseases.
Don't quote anything about the CDC unless you want to appear in the same game as they are playing.
Well no wonder they are so damned uninformed....do they swing by the CBC for a chaser...??
Take a look at Florida & ask yourself how they seem to have decided that a 0.0001 mortality rate really isn't a big deal, especially since 98% of the present mortality is with those who have had double or triple gene therapy injections.
Conspiracy theory #1 as to the Corona "Covid" being manufactured in a lab and released, well that just isn't true you will learn if you read Stevie's post here.
It jumped from nature to a human by some nasty Chinse eating bat sushi. Not a thing to do with the bio-lab letting (or actively causing) it to jump out into the human population after they juiced it up to where it could infect a human. I am so relieved that the Chinese didn't try to kill us.
Thank you Stevie
Sarc
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Please don't keep this nonsense going... Surely, there must be something more worthy happening in Canada! Every time you respond to this hate it becomes more fuel for the fire.
The reason I rarely visit the Canada forum is due to this disgusting drivel!
Steve;Please don't keep this nonsense going... Surely, there must be something more worthy happening in Canada! Every time you respond to this hate it becomes more fuel for the fire. The reason I rarely visit the Canada forum is due to this disgusting drivel! Bobwww.bigbores.ca
That is the plan. He will have to quit responding. With the trail he has left with his posts he can't escape any other way.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Please don't keep this nonsense going... Surely, there must be something more worthy happening in Canada! Every time you respond to this hate it becomes more fuel for the fire.
The reason I rarely visit the Canada forum is due to this disgusting drivel!
Steve; Please don't keep this nonsense going... Surely, there must be something more worthy happening in Canada! Every time you respond to this hate it becomes more fuel for the fire. The reason I rarely visit the Canada forum is due to this disgusting drivel! Bob www.bigbores.ca
You're right, Bob. There is much evil in their hearts. There are other things to talk about.
You go ahead, we remember. Bob is Right. Only thing you can do is quit responding.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Please don't keep this nonsense going... Surely, there must be something more worthy happening in Canada! Every time you respond to this hate it becomes more fuel for the fire.
The reason I rarely visit the Canada forum is due to this disgusting drivel!
You're right, Bob. There is much evil in their hearts. There are other things to talk about.
This pandemic sure brought out your true evil in you Steve
Id hate to have your types ( weak links) fighting next to me in the military. I used to have a really admirable opinion of the canadadian military when I trained with them.
Please don't keep this nonsense going... Surely, there must be something more worthy happening in Canada! Every time you respond to this hate it becomes more fuel for the fire.
The reason I rarely visit the Canada forum is due to this disgusting drivel!
You're right, Bob. There is much evil in their hearts. There are other things to talk about.
When christian ministers were arrested for practicing their faith "Steve the christian" approved , when christian churches were burned in Canda, "Steve the great christian" approved, when BLM rioted in Canada during the height of the pandemic and were praised by Justin black face, "christian Steve" approved.
, When Canadian police rounded up and arrested the unvaxxed. for practicing basic human rights , "christian Steve" approved
Who is the truly the evil one?
Donate to this christian hero yet "christian Steve" or are you virtue signaling for Ukraine still? lol
It is a real shame these threads become so vile. Most of the rudest remarks are nothing but tired , old, rhetoric , full of inaccuracies. Canadians vary across this land, here in the Alberta, B.C, Montana intersection we are almost interchangeable. As a Christian myself, eventually you will engage in spiritual warfare with the enemy, and this creep hates humanity, but particularly the ones that fight back. Clergy are human , they weaken and sometimes don't fight it off as they should and should be held accountable to our laws. From a spiritual perspective, God only knows. God Bless all of you.
ribka: He will take Bob's advice and quit responding. He cannot defend what he has said. Had he been a German or Russian in the 1940s he would have fit right in.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
I can't blame the Canuckians for thinking ahead...the former US of A is about to become the northernmost province of Mexico after Title 42 rolls back on May 23rd. If I was a Canuck, I'd be buildin' a wall.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
I guess I won't be allowed in since I don't have a cell phone.
It is a problem
Yet, they are letting in untold number of unvaxxed people into the country, unvaxxed by a vaccine that doesn't work, but you had better get it..... LOL.
You don't need any phone, it can all be done with paper.
Call Canada Customs to learn for sure.
Thanks. Apps are only used to track people and gain their personal information, habits, movements and who they associate with and their political opinions. Of course the liberal NAZIs luv this technology
Back on topic, . You can cross once if you have all your paperwork, but only once. I'm being dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming.
I think the Jews said the same while been dragged kicking and screaming into box cars and incinerators. But hey the NAZIs had good intentions and cool uniforms designed by Hugo Boss right STevey?
Back on topic, . You can cross once if you have all your paperwork, but only once. I'm being dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming.
I think the Jews said the same while been dragged kicking and screaming into box cars and incinerators. But hey the NAZIs had good intentions and cool uniforms designed by Hugo Boss right STevey?
Watching downwinddipschitt getting dragged away "kicking and screaming"...priceless.
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So you can do your "ArrivCan" thing on a computer and just print it out or do you NEED to have the APP on your phone?
You can also do it in person at the airport after customs. We flew in from UK to Toronto last week and there were lots of people that hadn’t done their ArriveCAN forms. They just get directed to Public Health workers and do it on the spot (phone app or paper) with help if needed.
What are they considering "fully vaccinated" now? When I went in Aug it was 2 shots and a neg test within 72 hrs of arrival. What new hoops are there to jump through this year?
What is amazing is people either have had COVID got the shot or been exposed and no ill effects. So, any country (not just Canda) that imposes these kinds of mandates is not following any science and is only doing it to impose a new world order the globalists want. The flu has killed more people and never has this been done.
Sounds like its from the Babylon Bee. Is this a joke? There is ZERO science support these restrictions. No wonder the anti science zombies like Steve worship them.
What is amazing is people either have had COVID got the shot or been exposed and no ill effects. So, any country (not just Canda) that imposes these kinds of mandates is not following any science and is only doing it to impose a new world order the globalists want. The flu has killed more people and never has this been done.
Sounds like its from the Babylon Bee. Is this a joke? There is ZERO science support these restrictions. No wonder the anti science zombies like Steve worship them.
No wonder Canada is the butt of jokes now
They havent followed the science yet, its doubtful they will start anytime soon. They are starting to find out that it is having a negative effect on tourism, but that wont change anything.
Had been planning a fishing trip with a brother to a lake that my father had been to in the 70s. Won't happen this year, and gotta say I am pretty sour on patronizing Canada period.
"Put none but Americans on guard tonight." -George Washington
In my view, anything related to hunting in BC, is subject to an agenda. G/O have an understanding, resident hunters are just starting to figure it out. I suspect the fishing is just along for the ride, and I have a feeling the Wuhan has FA to do with it, it is a convenient excuse.
Im getting more and more emails for discounted hunting and fishing trips in Canada the past few weeks. Canadian businesses are really hurting due to Trudeau's useful idiots like Steve and downwindfacst
Im getting more and more emails for discounted hunting and fishing trips in Canada the past few weeks. Canadian businesses are really hurting due to Trudeau's useful idiots like Steve and downwindfacst
Steves internet may be down, hope so, and downwinddipschitt will likely be busy pushing CWD in Canada and selling Elk antlers to the chanks,...... downwinddipschitt, its antlers, not horns....your engrish needs work.
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