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Longbeardking,

We had a family conversation re: Covid noted on death certificates when people have other issues going on. My brother in law ( a hospital administrator) was explaining to us at dinner one night because his brother had the same issue - it’s bs.
Tom noted that when people die and they have various health issues, it’s the cascading decline due to all of those factors and they are listed. In the past 20 months I have seen 16 client death certificates and all had multiple reasons that contributed to death. One 93 year old it was listed as Covid and several other issues. She contracted it in the nursing home.
If they didn’t have Covid, some certainly would have lived longer, a relative term when one is pretty sick.
Bottom line it’s listed as one of the causes on the DC and tabulated.
My feelings about wearing a mask ( I have one daughter that’s a nurse, the other a Physical Therapist) is it helps, bottom line. That being said I would tell the anti maskers and don’t stomp on my personal freedom folks is simple, don’t clog the hospitals if you contract the VID.
I’m disappointed that we can’t go to NF moose hunting this year.
And I agree the fear factor is huge, but that being said I spoke to a two doctor clientsoif mine that got it. Him from visits to the nursing home, her from him! He was in the hospital for months, then rehab and is now home slowly recovering. He was a healthy 75 year old, her 66 yo and diabetic. It affects everyone differently and we cant’ take our health for granted. She told me if she got it as bad as her husband, she would have died from it.

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We all need to be safe and respect each other’s space so we can continue to enjoy the things we all like to do!!!

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Originally Posted by Longbeardking
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Ok, but I am going to side with Dr. Fauci. I believe the figure was removed because it was misleading.


It was removed because it shows the truth, and they didn't want to allow their facade to collapse. Only 6% of those who are listed as dying from COVID died from COVID ALONE. Let me attempt to create an analogy...

If a man has a heart attack from decades of obesity and falls upon the metro station's tracks, and he is rendered by the incoming train would you honestly consider that a death that should be attributed to the danger of mass public transit?


Some of you here know me or know "of" me. My wife and I BOTH love Canada dearly. We have a deep respect for the country. BUT, we are both in our mid 70's, BOTH is good health, NO underlying conditions. We are ALL going to die of something, but in my case it is NOT going to be fear. We personally know of no one that has tested positive, or anyone that has Covid, the China flu. My sister in law and been institutionalized for over 10 (TEN) years for Alzheimers and died recently. Her death was listed as covid19. TOTAL BS. I work in a building that housed well over 400 people. There have been about a dozen or so here since March. I have not missed and hour of work this whole time. The fear factor is unbelievable.


Old school character Longbeardking. To bad it isn't more common these days. People are scared to death of everything. I just dont get it. Glad to hear you kept your life normal. Ive been working on a highway project the last few weeks and Ive seen entire families go by in cars all wearing masks....Im not kidding, and the project was in the middle of nowhere, hundreds of kilometres from the nearest town. Shows you how far gone common sense really is. Anyone who thinks a mask is in any way going to keep them from getting covid ( or anything else) in the close confines of a car isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

On our ambulance crew we havent worn masks since this started. Saw a doctor on the news the other night talking about how ridiculous the notion is that they will prevent one from getting covid; especially the cloth masks that the vast majority of people are wearing.

I live in an area with a lot of retired folks. My wife works on the ambulance with me and does home care when we are not in the bush running our lodge. The fact is that even the common cold can and does weaken the elderly to the point they end up in the hospital, and sometimes they dont survive. Im sure covid has the same effect, but that doesn't mean we should shut down the entire economy. Other common sense measures that we have been practicing for decades still work just fine.

We are losing our liberty and freedom at an alarming rate, and its amazing how so many people can be duped into going along with it.

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Good morning to you sir, I hope the day's a tad brighter/less smoky for you folks up north and all else is as it needs to be with you and yours.

When this entire beer flu thing started out, I - being what my wife calls a "data miner" - searched the net for what places like South Korea and Taiwan did, as they seemed to get a very fast handle on it.

There was a youtube channel which I believe was "Asian Boss" where the interviewer was talking to the lead virologist in South Korea about masks. Now to give background, this was at the time where the US Surgeon General and our own Dr. Tam were saying masks would not work with this virus.

In very kind and careful words, the Korean doctor said that if masks, properly worn, did not reduce incidents of spreading bacteria, it was news to him as that was precisely why the entire medical community had done it for years - well nearly a century I guess.

Then of course later the spokesfolks for the powers that be flipped and flopped a couple times on the subject of masks.

My personal issue with it is this - if they'll intentionally mislead us about something as straightforward as using a filter, then truly is not the sky the limit for them?

So for several reasons then, I'm not an "anti-masker" in that it might could work and I very much believe in being a grey man in times such as these as it's proven to be prudent for me to do so more than once. Before leaving this topic, no I do not believe I shall perish from beer flu - but - as an unusually healthy guy for most of my life, I'd be the poster child to have it and perhaps spread it unknowingly to very elderly friends and neighbors that I'm in weekly contact with.

None of this is to imply that I disagree one tiny iota with your concern that we've already lost and are continuing to lose our personal freedoms. Honestly it started - to my way of thinking - shortly after 9/11 and has continued at what you've aptly termed an alarming rate.

Lastly, I was absolutely dismayed to read that BC residents were not being good hosts to visitors from anywhere, for sure from our neighbors across the medicine line.

In my view, the media as a whole in Canada tends to be so anti-US anything that it's difficult to get a clear picture on anything stateside from them. I've pretty much stopped watching television, but will listen to the local valley news from the Kelowna station once in awhile and even they are affected by the bias. This is nettlesome and not constructive to say the least, you know?

All the best to you folks this fall.

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I feel that we should do what we can to prevent the spread of COVID, but be sure those measures are truly effective. An N95 mask does just that, filters 95% of the air. That obviously means 5% is not filtered. Would you feel safe being around someone who has COVID, knowing 5% of their exhaled breath is not filtered? I sure wouldn't. If our gas masks in the Marine Corps only filtered 95% of chemical or biological agents, the outcome would certainly be death. I'm no expert, but I also am intelligent to not eat crap just because someone tries to feed it to me.
I also don't put too much stock into someone saying, "I know a doctor who said x y and z about COVID" Not every doctor is qualified to speak on infectious disease control. If every doctor knew everything, there would be no need for specialists, but reality says otherwise.
I have always been treated very well in Saskatchewan, and can't wait to go back. I made good friends with my outfitter and his family. Hopefully, the Lord willing, I'll get to return to the north woods soon. Thanks to those keeping us informed of the current border situation.

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It's the droplet size. Even most masks will work to a degree.

I joke if I get it, I may not die, I'll only wish I had.

There is a certain amount of difference between caution and fear. When we came apon a sow grizzly and her cubs while hunting, we weren't afraid, but we thought it wise to go the other way.


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Originally Posted by Lorne
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Not that I don't like Canadians, but if none came here, we sure wouldn't miss them! Good for goose , good for Gander!


I’ll tell my grandson, he and several colleagues are going to Oregon tomorrow to fight fire. His employer volunteered them, is paying costs, etc.


I'm sure that there will be lots of good folk in Oregon that will be glad to see those CDNs arrive to help out.


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Not that I don't like Canadians, but if none came here, we sure wouldn't miss them! Good for goose , good for Gander!


There is no goose & gander. As mentioned earlier in the thread, our own gov't has restricted our travel south with measures in place to limit it.

That's a shame you feel that way about those who visit. On a normal year we have lots of Americans here every summer and they are more than welcome.


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Thanks , they left this morning , bound for Redmond (not sure where to from there ) . Four from this specific area I understand others from other locations as well.

Just so its very clear , the US government (not Canadian) has shut down ground travel into the US by , except for essential traffic

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Good afternoon to you sir, I hope the week was a good one for you and this finds you well.

On the shop radio today they said that 207 BC wildfire crew shipped out yesterday night and this morning for Oregon as well.

Even though we're still working on 21 fires currently in BC, we sent them down as it looked like the neighbors could use a hand.

All the best to you this weekend sir.

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These last few posts have been heartwarming to read. Most of you people show great compassion and common sense. I am under the impression that we all agree on one thing at least. The media is fanning the embers to keep the flames of dishonesty and deceit burning. Stay safe my friends.


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Dwayne

Good to hear from you. The week was a good one ( they are all good) and hopefully the same for you.

That is a bunch for sure. Not sure how many left Saskatchewan but my grandson and his crew of 4 went to Cranbrook yesterday and left there this morning for Redmond.

I didn’t realize that you had as many active fires out there . Hopefully these are being well managed and are not having to big of a negative impact on every day life

Exactly, I look at our friends to the south as neighbors with the meaning that my grandfather shared with us .He homesteaded in this area 115 years ago and I understand more each day what he meant

In any event wishes for safety and success to every one of those young men and women

All the best to you this weekend

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The leadership in the U.S. has not been great when it comes to the pandemic. In the New England states the governor’s got it right, although painful for many in various businesses.
Taxes have only one way to go after all the stimulus by the Fed’s, regardless who gets elected.


Cuomo did it right? Lamont did it right?

You are drinking too much of the kool-aid.


Agreed, pure Canuck lunacy.

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Dwayne, we have been getting quite a bit of smoke up this way as well. Its cooling off quickly now and that seems to help a bit. Im getting my gear ready to head to the bush tomorrow. The outfitter I guide for once our fishing season is over, ( Ceaser Lake Outfitters) managed to book me a couple of hunts this year. Im looking forward to getting back out and away from all the lunacy.

One thing I have noticed is that I spend so much time in the bush with my fishing, trapping, and guiding that I dont do well with all the craziness as some folks seem too. I just finished up a three week stint with highways. They were doing some new chip seal and needed an EMR. That is the first job I have had in over three decades where I wasn't guiding or working for myself. The crew I was on was a good one, we put in extremely long hours and everyone worked hard, but the political correctness the higher ups was a bit hard to take. Luckily the foreman was able to insulate us from that to a certain extent, otherwise the job would have been unbearable to me.

I agree it all started with 9/11. I know very few who have read the Patriot Act; I have, and I believe it took more freedom from Americans than any other document ever has, and republicans gave us that.

I am still hopeful that I will be able to operate my trapline trips this winter. I guess time will tell. If not I will spend the winter cutting trail and I need to build a new cabin so my time wont go to waste. Hope your fall season is a good one.
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When one motorcycle accident victim is listed as having died of Covid, I immediately have to question all stats. When one terminal cancer patient is listed as having died of covid, I have more reason to distrust the stats. The truth is this; we are being fed information which is supportive of a given narrative. We are not given pure facts. We should be told where cases are and the circumstances of transmission. Instead, we are just told to be afraid and wear a mask. In rural BC, most small towns have not and will not see a case of covid-19. Members of these communities could get together for a group hug (though there are few neighbours I would care to hug) and the chance of Covid transmission is zero. Yet government reps want us to wear our masks. Here, we could include the residents of Eureka, Montana in that hug and the effect would probably be the same. The takeaway is, if you do not have covid and your friends and family don't have covid, you don't have to wear a mask, avoid contact, or stand six feet apart.
Our government spokespeople have carefully tried to avoid telling us where cases are, where they originated, or what the circumstances of transmission might have been.
A significant number of covid deaths, in BC, have been in long term care facilities, in the lower mainland. The victims have been older than typical life expectancy. Since these facilities have not been allowing visitors, the conclusion has to be that the virus was brought into the facilities by employees.
Dr. Faucci is on record saying, the wearing of masks is probably of no value. Later, it almost seemed as if he was pressured into saying it was OK to wear a mask and this became the mandatory mask requirements we are seeing in some areas today.
It seems slightly strange that both Canada and the US are disallowing travel across the border, on land but flying in is OK. So, it seems that two people, isolated in a car, are likely to be a threat but the same two people, after wandering through a crowded airport then spending a couple hours on a flying incubator, are just fine. A Canadian who flies to the US will have to self-quarantine when they return. However, the passengers from elsewhere have no such requirement. I would guess that the necessity for supporting the airline industry trumps any health concerns. If they can't make enough money from passengers, governments will just throw them a few million; we can pay for that later. The point is, there is an awful lot of BS being shoveled. Special interests are being looked after while the rest of us pay. GD

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When one motorcycle accident victim is listed as having died of Covid, I immediately have to question all stats. When one terminal cancer patient is listed as having died of covid, I have more reason to distrust the stats. The truth is this; we are being fed information which is supportive of a given narrative. We are not given pure facts. We should be told where cases are and the circumstances of transmission. Instead, we are just told to be afraid and wear a mask. In rural BC, most small towns have not and will not see a case of covid-19. Members of these communities could get together for a group hug (though there are few neighbours I would care to hug) and the chance of Covid transmission is zero. Yet government reps want us to wear our masks. Here, we could include the residents of Eureka, Montana in that hug and the effect would probably be the same. The takeaway is, if you do not have covid and your friends and family don't have covid, you don't have to wear a mask, avoid contact, or stand six feet apart.
Our government spokespeople have carefully tried to avoid telling us where cases are, where they originated, or what the circumstances of transmission might have been.
A significant number of covid deaths, in BC, have been in long term care facilities, in the lower mainland. The victims have been older than typical life expectancy. Since these facilities have not been allowing visitors, the conclusion has to be that the virus was brought into the facilities by employees.
Dr. Faucci is on record saying, the wearing of masks is probably of no value. Later, it almost seemed as if he was pressured into saying it was OK to wear a mask and this became the mandatory mask requirements we are seeing in some areas today.
It seems slightly strange that both Canada and the US are disallowing travel across the border, on land but flying in is OK. So, it seems that two people, isolated in a car, are likely to be a threat but the same two people, after wandering through a crowded airport then spending a couple hours on a flying incubator, are just fine. A Canadian who flies to the US will have to self-quarantine when they return. However, the passengers from elsewhere have no such requirement. I would guess that the necessity for supporting the airline industry trumps any health concerns. If they can't make enough money from passengers, governments will just throw them a few million; we can pay for that later. The point is, there is an awful lot of BS being shoveled. Special interests are being looked after while the rest of us pay. GD


WELL said, VERY well said.


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When does the revolution begin?


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Been travelling the Yukon since the border opened up for us BCers,
All I can say is ..craziness has no borders..
See people out on their boats fishing wearing a mask..REALLY... WTF

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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
When does the revolution begin?


From what I've seen on the news i think its already begun. They are burning and pillaging cities as we speak. People are being killed. Now that Trump has a chance to place another justice to the bench, things are really going to get ugly....even Canadians are getting involved. A nutcase professor from Waterloo publicly called for the left to "burn it down," if Trump and Mitch try to nominate another justice to the supreme court. To me and others that is terrorist threat plain and simple. The guy should be arrested and charged. One thing is certain, we are as close to a civil war as it gets. Conservatives wont sit idly by much longer. Some have already taken up arms.

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That magic word has been spoken. CITIES. Cities have always been the armpit of states. You could put most city people in the middle of a huge farm in the middle of a famine and most would starve to death.

You can see how they perform right now. They know better than to come into the country, because this is what they will face. No joke. MOST of the people I know are just too old to fight, that is why trigger squeeze is so important. We also know enough to dial 811 BEFORE we dig. It's the law. laugh laugh laugh

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