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Would the ILUMINATED ILLUMINATI consider a 2.75 inch barrel short?
If not what is? Maybe a 3 inch?


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Sufficiently short to resemble stupid actually...if you want a snubby revolver get one in a cartridge not so severely penalized by a short pipe.

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It would make a handy fishing revolver in bear country, I suppose.

Probably not something you would enjoy shooting a lot with full power loads.

I put together a fun 44 Russian load for plinking and goofing off with my 44s. Shoots fine, despite the longer jump to the barrel.

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A 2-3/4" barrel measures 2-3/4". Same as a 6" barrel is 6". The 2-3/4" will be 3-1/4" less than 6".
Will a shorter barrel be slower (assuming same ammo)? Probably. Louder and kick harder (assuming same ammo)? Probably. Handier and weigh less. Probably.

I like my 5-1/2" Bisley for what it does (.45 Colt). I like my buddie's 2-3/4" 69 Smith for what it does. Different guns.

I can load either one to make it do what I want it to do (within reason).

You pick the barrel length to suit your purposes, arbitrarily comparing it to other barrel lengths is an exercise I've never understood.

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3.75"...do it.


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I liked my 4" 629-1.
Dunno if I'd go shorter.
180-240gr stuff, loaded to the max.
Was a hoot.
Not bad even w the factory wood grips (but ended up going Hogue rubber).
Blast was pretty big using WW296 or similar.

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I think my next .44 Mag will be a 4" model.


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.44 Mag SBH --- 3.75, 4.62, 5.5" ...ALL great!

6.5 and 7.5" 44s are a must have as well.


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A 2 3/4" S&W M69 is my favorite handgun. The L Frame just works for me. Mine are equipped with modified X Frame 500 grips. I averge 30 rounds three times a week. 20.1 gr A2400 240gr is my practice load. Here are some chonograph results.

Competion Electronics at 5 Long paces from muzzle
30 to 70 def f
Results recorded on different days and months.
H110 Load used Mag Primers
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240gr JHP, Federal Factory No. 44A production date May ’81 --------------------------------------------- 1,137 fps
240gr JFP (Zero) 23.5gr H110, seated and crimped in crimp grove in Mag cases -------------------- 1,126 fps
260gr WFNGC (Mt Bul Wks) 23.0gr H110, seated and crimped in crimp grove in Mag cases ----- 1,125 fps
265gr SWCGC (429244) 17.5gr 2400, seated deep, crimped over fr drive band in Mag cases --- 1,100 fps
265gr SWCGC (429244) 23.5gr H110, seated and crimped in crimp grove in Mag cases ---------- 1,162 fps
310gr FNGCDC (Lee) 20.0gr H110, seated and crimped in top crimp grove in Mag cases --------- 1,100 fps
325gr LFNGC (BTB) 22.0gr H110, seated and crimped in crimp grove in Mag cases --------------- 1,104 fps

H110 Load used Mag Primers
New or 1X cases.

Buffalo Bore, 305 LBT LFN HC rated 1,325 fps
Underwood, 305 LFNGC Plated (HiTech?) rated 1,325 fps
LabRadar muzzle velocity at 33 deg F Buffalo

S&W M69 2.75" ===> BB 1,195 fps ===> Under 1,147fps
S&W M69 4.25" ===> BB 1,276 fps ===> Under 1,248 fps
Ruger SRH 7.5" ===> BB 1,395 fps ===> Under 1,315 fps

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Those are excellent numbers from that short 69, Paul.


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Thanks for the numbers Paul, that's a goodly amount of bad in a small and lovely package.

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Handsome pistola.

How's it shoot??


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Shoots good -

50 yds rested on my range bag - verified another day. 23.0gr H110, 260gr WFNGC . Some vertical stringing - ramp front w/red insert doesn't work well with these old eyes.

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25 yds rested on carpet square - 17.5gr A2400, 265gr CSWCGC 429244, deep seated and crimped over front drive band.

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25 yds rested on range bag - 7.7gr universal, 265gr SWCGC 429244, deep seated and crimped over front drive band

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25 yds rested on carpet square - 5.0gr WST 250gr Keith 429421 deep seated and crimped over fr drive band

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Pistol bay at our range - berm with plate & two poppers (large & small) 75 yds from shooting position - plate rack 26 yds.

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Changed sights to Dawson Precision front and Bowen Rough Country rear

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Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Sufficiently short to resemble stupid actually...if you want a snubby revolver get one in a cartridge not so severely penalized by a short pipe.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/44mag.html




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Originally Posted by paul105
Shoots good -

50 yds rested on my range bag - verified another day. 23.0gr H110, 260gr WFNGC . Some vertical stringing - ramp front w/red insert doesn't work well with these old eyes.

[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]

25 yds rested on carpet square - 17.5gr A2400, 265gr CSWCGC 429244, deep seated and crimped over front drive band.

[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]

25 yds rested on range bag - 7.7gr universal, 265gr SWCGC 429244, deep seated and crimped over front drive band

[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]

25 yds rested on carpet square - 5.0gr WST 250gr Keith 429421 deep seated and crimped over fr drive band

[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]

Pistol bay at our range - berm with plate & two poppers (large & small) 75 yds from shooting position - plate rack 26 yds.

[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]

Changed sights to Dawson Precision front and Bowen Rough Country rear

[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]

Paul




That is great shooting!

Vertical stringing is on the shooter...gun is excellent.

Congrats!


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I think my next .44 Mag will be a 4" model.


This, nothing less, if you want to keep your hearing...............barrel length is not the real issue for carrying if 4" or less.

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I will with the 8 inch Colt thank you.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I think my next .44 Mag will be a 4" model.


This, nothing less, if you want to keep your hearing...............barrel length is not the real issue for carrying if 4" or less.

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My brother has one of the 3" barreled model 629s that some distributer had made up probably in the late 1980s or early 90s. We shot it with full power 240 gr loads. you could see muzzle flash in broad daylight. Pretty good recoil also

. After we shot it we named the pistol "The conversation piece" because all you wanted to do was talk about not shoot it. Ha Ha


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Yeah, ditto for the Scandium framed S&W Mountain 44's....................my BIL has one.

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