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The collective "we" is, all too often, not very bright.

Burris XTR III scopes are made in the US
Burris XTR II scopes are made in the Phillipines
Burris Fullfield II scopes are made in the Phillipines
Burris Eliminator scopes are made in the Phillipines
Burris Fullfield IV scopes are made in China
Burris RT-5, RT-8 and Signature scopes are made in China.

I do not think Burris hiding the country of origin at all, so you can select based on your preferences.

It is not practical to build lower priced optics in the US, so noone does it. Burris actually builds a fair amount of stuff for the Steiner brand in the US. Somewhat paradoxically, I think there more Steiner branded products built in the US than Burris branded products.

ILya

We are all to blame, first and foremost. As Americans we demand cheap goods. As a result we live off the backs of 3rd world labor. Companies are endlessly engaged in a race to the bottom in terms of labor. Legislation (mostly) just reflects what we want. Our current economy is a bit of a fantasy that is ultimately not sustainable in its current reliance on 3rd world wages.
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I explained this a work to some guys that like cruises and all inclusive.

Ask, how come there basically aren't all inclusives in the US?
How come the cruise ships are foreign flagged.

Slave rate labor.
Thats how you get the service for a few hundy a day.

Would you consider Leupold Rifleman scopes lower priced?

If you go to the Burris website, select Fullfield IV for example, where's COO? Or their 2020 catalog highlighting the new China made muttherfuukers? Only reference to COO is the US Made XTRIII. No COO for their praised XTR Sig rings from Wuhan. They list FFII like its a great tradition then move right into FFIV, as if it is just more of a good thing.

I call bullchit on your statement above, Burris hides the COO of their products, plain and simple.

And so do their retailers.

It'd piss me off Royally to have bought a FFIV and see the MOC! Oh, fuuck I'd been pissed!

As others have said, I too was moving more towards Burris, however, this move to Communist China for 2020 new products is a deal breaker. Fuuck them if they continue the trend.

I don't know. How much are the workers that make Swarovski, Zeiss, and Schmidt and Bender paid? Like workers everywhere, they likely are paid the going rate in their countries for the kind of work they do, plus or not, benefits, and are free to find other jobs if they don't like it. WTF diffence does it make? Lower taxes and less onerous regulation have as much to do with off-shoring as wages. Haven't heard about Phillipine optics workers jumping out of high windows like the folks who make iPhones.

That's a pretty low bar... not a place I want to park my conscience.

Never got that high up.

Damn!!

Before folks start claiming it's 'OUR Fault' for 'Demanding cheap goods' - let's stop and remember how all this started.

Corporate America wanted to increase margins, so offshored jobs and production.

As to say WalMart, Sam was proud to have signs all over the stores saying Made in the USA. He died, then his descendants took over....the rest is history.

Well, folks do not have a choice in all product categories to choose a USA made product.........but they do have a choice to buy or not buy a product for whatever reason they want.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...on_sent_manufacturing_jobs_to_china.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/05/the-rise-of-made-by-china-in-america.html

https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-china

Come-on, guys....
It isn’t hard at all to call the technical support of any optics Company and find out where a given scope is made.

If the scope you’re interested in sells for $150, and has lots of bells-and-whistles, save yourself the call... You already know its COO, and it’s not the USA, Japan, Germany, or The Czech Republic.

If you look at the scope, it says "Made in China". Engraved right on it.

I do not think it gets clearer than that.

I have seen a few manufacturers in the past make everything in China, ship the eyepiece and the rest of the scope to Germany. Attach them there and proudly say "Assembled in Germany".

That was more than a little misleading.

What Burris does is pretty normal.

I do not think they have an obligation to spell out on the website where everything is made. I do not think Fullfield II is listed as made in Phillipines either. I would need to look more carefully perhaps, but other than saying XTR III is US made, I do not think anything is listed with a country of origin. Even their Signature HD spotting scope's Japanese manufacturing is not listed.

ILya

I agree. We didn't demand cheaper products from slave labor, we were told (advertisement) we wanted cheaper made products by the advertising the companies did. I'm old enough to remember how all that went down with companies wanting cheap labor and keep the prices the same. Eventually they had to lower the prices, [threw us a bone], because the john public was catching on.
Maybe folks in the last 30yrs. started demanding cheaper prices because they were well programmed.

I'm not so sure that foreign paid workers make a wage from US companies that equals the work performed. You can say it equals their countries average wage level, but what the hell does that mean? Paying slave labor wages is ok because that is the average income for the slaves in that country!
Originally we, the folks in this country, wanted to bring the World living standards up to our level, now we want to lower ours to 3rd World standards with many being ok with that.

Okay, let me put it this way; do you have any evidence whatsoever that the workers in the Philippines that make Burris stuff are mistreated, or underpaid by their country's standard of living? Do you have any evidence that they're unhappy with their jobs and don't have any choice about how and where they work? Do you actually think that you help any worker by not buying things because you suspect that they aren't being paid enough to make them?

I just bought a nice Merino wool blanket, made in India. I doubt that the people who made it get paid the same as the ones that work for Bemidji here, but I'll bet their circumstances are tolerable according to their notions, and that losing their jobs because of hand-wringing Americans trying to "help" them by not buying their wares wouldn't sit well with them.

I also have a Witney Point Blanket made in England and brought here by my WAC aunt after the war. I doubt the workers in Witney were very well-to-do either, but still valued the jobs that allowed them to live their lives according to their standard. Some jobs are tough, and don't pay all that well. Twas ever thus, but there are ways to improve one's lot, unless actually a slave as some reportedly are in China.

Good idea. It would be nice to have a number to one of their executives instead considering they're the ones making the decisions those poor CS reps will have to answer for when we call.

Would you please stop holding back?

Yep.
Remember the BS about some Olympic US uniforms being made in China.
They were Ralph Lauren!

OK, Wal-Mart wants to sell a pair of jeans for <$15.
So they cut every corner to get it under that and make a buck.

But Ralph Lauren.
$100 an item clothing? And extra $5 for the seamstress isn't an issue.
It not about American labor being too expensive.
It's about an extra $5 profit/tens of thousands of products.

Look at the scope, yah, ok, down at feed store? LOL

Bullchit, Burris introduced a new 2020 line, hyped it up bigly in their catalog, the retailers hype it bigly, and it all sounds good, a Fullfield IV, just like my Fullfield IIs etc, but, get this it's made in the Country trying to kill us. Holly fuuck! Burris fuucked the pooch on this one.


There are lots of folks that care where stuff at all price points originates, exactly why the company and retailers are not divulging the information, because they wouldn't sell as many. Crooked scheming sons a bitches.


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Getting there. The more excuses I read here for Burris the more I am assured of my stance. In 2020, Burris pissed on themselves going to China. .

In the Phil, they may be poor, but, they are free to leave for other opportunities. An optics factory job is likely pretty decent.

Didn’t you just buy a Sig RF that is MIC?

Kinda takes some of the oomph out of your rant.