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When using the neck sizer, we are only resizing the neck, and ARE NOT bumping the shoulder back?

Tell me so.

So.

Depends on the die. Standard neck sizer yes, they do make a shoulder bump neck die.

I like this answer......

Yours, not so much.....

But fairly positive I have the Standard neck sizer.

Got a link?

You really had to go there?

Fine, whats the advantages to this?

I just answered the question. Just pointed out there isn’t a true or false answer.
I can see some advantage since most who neck size end up using either FL die or body die to bump the shoulders back, why not do it in one step.

Given this is a thread about the Lee Collet Die, I assumed you were referring to Lee when you said they. It's tough to stay on topic.

I'm thinking about going to a lee collet + Redding body die setup for my newly acquired Tikka 223

That's the combination I used to use to achieve minimum runout. Now I just use a Forster full length sizing die and do it in one step rather than two.

That’s what I do.



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Thats the route I took with my newer Tikka 6.5,

So much faster and easier you'll tend to overthink it,

Hence the purpose of this thread.

The time and steps eliminated just by no case lube, or lube cleanup after full length sizing.

Where's the downside ?

How often do you feel the need to do both, rather than just the necks?

Every time with my .223 brass after reading of Mule Deer's method of setting the Forster FL die up for minimal shoulder bump and raise the expander ball up so the neck is supported while the ball is pulled through. My results are that I get less neck runout this way than I used to get with the Redding - Lee CND combo. I also sort my brass for neck thickness uniformity and cull anything over .0015" variance when I start a new batch of brass.

The only problem that may occur with a Forster FL die is the neck section may size the brass more than necessary. They have to make the off the shelf dies tight enough to work with the thinnest commonly available brass. If you're working with one thickness of brass you can have Forster hone out the die to suit, and this is a really excellent set up.

The Forester is just a standard full length die, right?
How would it be different than a standard RCBS or my Redding master hunter w/ carbide expander?

In its standard configuration the Forster (no e in the middle) has its expander ball just below the neck section of the die. The others don't. The RCBS can be adjusted in this regard if you don't mind giving up the decapping function, but I don't believe the Redding ball can be adjusted that high.

I don't think Lee makes a shoulder bump neck die but I know Forster does

At Mathman's suggestion, I've done exactly that and it works quite well.

+1

I've never had to bump shoulders on 223 cases when using the Lee collet sizer. I just anneal every fourth or fifth shot. After fireforming in a specific chamber, I just re-use them in that same gun, and they don't even need trimming unless the load is WAY TOO hot.

BECAUSE yoyos like me seem to think the more they " tweek" the brass and the round.. the more accurate it will be..

which is a total myth..... so its developed into the old back up answer... because we've ALWAYS done it this way.. Why do you ask?

as I frequently say, I was a self taught Graduate at the Fred Flinstone/ Barney Rubble School of Caveman Reloading Academy..

Dat's what I be doin....fer a long time...

The collet die only touches the neck. I combine with Redding body dies to bump shoulders. Another way around but a lot more expensive is the Forster neck/bump die....

I use this system for 243AI, and it works for me.

Not sure exactly what that might be, but Redding makes a FL bushing die that can be fitted with the neck bushing of your choice, and adjusted to bump the shoulder while neck sizing.

I typically go two LCD neck sizings, then a body die + LCD.

There is a cheap version of the Lee Collet, Redding Body die combo.

Get the 4 die Lee set. It'll have their FL sizer, their Collet Neck sizer, Factory Crimp die and seater.

Take the FL die, grind out the neck to clear the case neck and you have a body die. Of course you can go up a caliber in a similar case for body die, i.e. .308 FL can be a 7-08 body die, etc.

Here's my grind it myself set up. This one is .22-250. I had to use a worn Dremel carbide bit, small enough to fit in the .224" neck. Those dies are hard, takes some grinding to enlarge the neck enough to clear a case neck. Works great and cheaper than a Redding body die. Have posted this one before.

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