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You are correct if enough electric cars are put on the road, when Joe comes home from work on a 100 degree day and
plugs in his electric car it will black out the state. Wind and solar and Hydro do not put out enough power after dark.
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Do you think they will outlaw wood stoves?
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Does his plan include tractors, delivery trucks, semis, you know, all the things that make them able to live their life?
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By 2035? What a coinkydink; I'm going to achieve World Peace that same year.
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Didn’t go through entire thread and someone may have already touched on this. California has rolling electrical power grid blackouts. Can’t run AC, appliances, etc. Enter 25 million electric cars that will need energy for battery recharge. Oops plugged in blew the grid, just add no transport to the list. The Gov is a worthless pile of schit, your state legislature is sophomoric in thought and moronic in action. Just remember progressive is regressive when dumbfuggs are running the show.
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Then they will have to deal with the issue of where to levy taxes to pay for road maintenance and construction.
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By 2035 California probably will not consider this a priority. It's a failed state, and it's going to get a lot worse.
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Do you think they will outlaw wood stoves? In some instances they already have.
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So where are they going to get the energy to charge the cars? California has been buying energy from Texas for over 20 years. They sorta survive now on a lot of electricity they buy from British Columbia in Canada... BC has plenty of hydro electricity...more than any place in the lower 48
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So where are they going to get the energy to charge the cars? Hydrogen from electrolysis off of batteries to run the gas turbines that turn the generators to make electricity. Entergy is now working with Mitsubishi gas turbine folks to effect this in an effort to get away from the use of natural gas and the resulting carbon footprint.
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If they get it done, expect gas sales to be severely restricted or outlawed along with it.
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By 2035 California probably will not consider this a priority. It's a failed state, and it's going to get a lot worse. Many have said for years that California leads the way and that as California goes so does the rest of the country. There appears to be a pattern.......
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Does his plan include tractors, delivery trucks, semis, you know, all the things that make them able to live their life? Well, newer models of diesel tractors have DEF systems. Step 1.
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Then they will have to deal with the issue of where to levy taxes to pay for road maintenance and construction. The folks to their North have already started taxing alternative fuel vehicles since they don't pay their "fair share" towards road maintenance. I believe VA has ended some of its eco-car bennies too. Love it when their touchy-feely BS crashes and burns. Nothing wrong with alternatives, where they work well, but one-size never fits all.
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I don t keep up in the all electric car field but that would get rid of the hybrids like the Prius. Guy could start up a "hot charge service" for all those brain dead turds that run out of juice on the highway. Pull in frt or behind them plug in and pay by the amp. Cash only no receipts. Could be a millionaire in the land of the witless.wtf?
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A lot of vehicles in California are running natural gas. Not all are electric. However, with 220v you can recharge a Tesla in 3 hours, say when you go to bed after you cool down your house, but not AC and recharging at the same time. It can be done without shutting down the grid. Also Tesla has a fairly long range depending on model, from 200 miles to 320 miles and newer models are pushing 520 miles on a charge. So commuting can be done almost all week without recharging. Like I said, in a heat wave, charging can be done late at night when most AC is cycling down.
California is getting power from a coal burning power plant in Mexico about 3 miles over the border and another coal burner in Nevada. They are also getting nuclear power from Arizona. So yeah, they can support their grid, from outside the state. Hypocritical. However, this is how PG&E is solving the problem without going solar or wind. Another However, is PG&E are getting sued for starting wildfires on powerline easements, but this is because California won't let them clear the underbrush under their power line due to some rabbits or something living under them. Neither have they let them cut forest roads and fire breaks in the forests. So uncontrolled wildfires. Stupid is as Stupid does.
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So where are they going to get the energy to charge the cars? Hydrogen from electrolysis off of batteries to run the gas turbines that turn the generators to make electricity. Entergy is now working with Mitsubishi gas turbine folks to effect this in an effort to get away from the use of natural gas and the resulting carbon footprint. Every alternative has an ecological price to pay, which is seldom mentioned when they are trotted out. The manufacture and recycling of batteries is one example. Look for a tax or surcharge on cars using those when enough of them start to age. I know that other industries like telecom have been held responsible for the mishandling of lead-acid batteries by companies they paid to dispose of them properly. Does anyone really think owners of eco-cars or their makers are going to skate on that forever? Simple is better. Natural gas seems like the best choice right now. What's a little fracking between friends?
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I don t keep up in the all electric car field but that would get rid of the hybrids like the Prius. Guy could start up a "hot charge service" for all those brain dead turds that run out of juice on the highway. Pull in frt or behind them plug in and pay by the amp. Cash only no receipts. Could be a millionaire in the land of the witless.wtf? How will you do that in a "cashless" society?
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So where are they going to get the energy to charge the cars? Hydrogen from electrolysis off of batteries to run the gas turbines that turn the generators to make electricity. Entergy is now working with Mitsubishi gas turbine folks to effect this in an effort to get away from the use of natural gas and the resulting carbon footprint. Every alternative has an ecological price to pay, which is seldom mentioned when they are trotted out. The manufacture and recycling of batteries is one example. Look for a tax or surcharge on cars using those when enough of them start to age. I know that other industries like telecom have been held responsible for the mishandling of lead-acid batteries by companies they paid to dispose of them properly. Does anyone really think owners of eco-cars or their makers are going to skate on that forever? Simple is better. Natural gas seems like the best choice right now. What's a little fracking between friends? You’re right and no one said it would be cheaper. It never is.
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I don t keep up in the all electric car field but that would get rid of the hybrids like the Prius. Guy could start up a "hot charge service" for all those brain dead turds that run out of juice on the highway. Pull in frt or behind them plug in and pay by the amp. Cash only no receipts. Could be a millionaire in the land of the witless.wtf? How will you do that in a "cashless" society? Bit coin trading. Grins
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