Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Jim Carmichael said a .22 Hornet sufficed for any game

in N america. He bet his million $ farm that he could take any N American game animal with a Hornet, under conditions of fair chase and furthermore bet (in today's money) 100k that he could do so with no more than 2 shots. He didn't say so, but it had to mean brain hits on the big stuff, at 100m or less. That can be hard to arrange on montain goat, mountain sheep, etc.

Anyone who would try that is a moron.

"Expert" thread #2, eh? How old are you, lonee? 12? Still drawing airplane pictures with red dashes for tracers?

You guys ever read abot that guide in Alaska shot a grizzly with a .17?

I wouldn’t make that bet. On the other hand, I wouldn’t bet against it either. Probably more deer have been killed with a .22 LR than anything else.

Maybe the Hornet was deadly...in the hands of Jim Carmichael. From my experience in NRA Sporting Rifle High Power competition, 7 out of 10 'sportsmen' have no business shooting at anything other than paper from real life field positions like offhand and to a lesser degree, sitting. That's not my opinion...that's fact from scoring targets. Now on the other hand, the black powder muzzle loader shooters are offhand shooters...it's what they do. The old silhouette guys same. If the Hornet can consistently reach the central nervous system...it's just as good as anything else. As a signature line says, 'gunnery, gunnery, all else is twaddle'.

that's right. People who can't stalk that close and hit that well dont belong in the hunting fields. Bow hunters get inside 40m for shots on big game all the time. So why cant you do so with a rifle, hmm? Cause you're a lazy, incompetent twit, that's why. Ditto if you can't reliably hit the 6" circle of the brain, from offhand, at 100m,

If Jim Carmichael said he could do that, I have no doubt he could.

I don't see a problem. I've killed about everything there is around here with a .22 LR, including my first deer when I was 12.

It’s no hammer of Thor, more like the wooden spoon of Lena, but no doubt it’s a killer in the right hands. I like my Hornet but I wouldn’t want to try it. Eskimos seem to be experts at under gunned killing. My Eskimo friend told me about all kinds of game killed with 22 rim fire and 223, including polar bear and grizz. He had a big gun, a 243 that I did some reloading for.

Well - - - maybe with a K Hornet.

Goats, sheep, and grizzlies can be killed with a bow, too, if you get close enough. If you're in bow range, you're in 22 Hornet range. You just need to wait for an ear hole shot.

.22 Hornet? Some guy who posted as Hardin lauded that round all the time.

Just for the record, Idaho's only caliber requirement for big game is that it has to be a centerfire. 22 Hornet is legal for moose and bear. That's not saying it's smart, just legal.

You would have to wait for the right shot. If you saw a record buck walking slowly at 200 yards, you should hold your fire, waiting for a stationary and probably smaller one at 50 yards.

A guy in Africa killed a bull elephant with a .222. He used special FMJ round-nosed bullets he had machined on a lathe.

Nobody mentioned that Carmichael was a champion-class bench rest shooter and probaby pretty good from field positions.

I've had the same experience with NRA High Power. I don't think the average deer hunter can hit a standing deer at 75 yards. Instead of practicing from field positions, all they want to do is shoot little groups off the bench. Oh! It shot into 2 inches instead of 1 inch! The average 24HCF member probably is much better.

I'd put money on him.

Oh it can be done, bow hunters get close or eat tag soup. Google Chuck Adams, he took the first Super Slam with a bow.

The .22 hornet doesn't do anything real well though. I've shot a very few coyotes with mine and run offs were not uncommon.

My only rimmed cartridge is a 30-30. Not interested in any more.