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Projection is a problem many struggle with I hope it passes.

I think Lee 24 has risen from the dead...

It makes sense to me that a guy who is proficient and confident with his chosen SD firearm is going to require less shooting to get clear of a dangerous crowd than someone who bumbles a draw and looks more scared and unprepared and less like a deadly threat. I know it doesn't fit into the questions presented here, but it seems to me that "crowd control" in the sense of self-defense is going to have a lot to do with personal presence and confidence in the face of the mob. I've been in some situations where one confident guy was able to hold off well beyond his numbers simply though confidence.

You’d get bytch slapped .

Personally I like a larger capacity gun. I wear 2x gloves because 3x are hard to find. I like a frame that allows me to wrap my pinky around it and have never wished that I had less bullets. When you see footage of real life shooting it’s shocking how many shooters even those with a fair amount of practice miss “can’t miss shots.” Take buck fever and amplify it by a hundred with someone else’s gun going of at bayonet range pointed near your face while he try’s to blow your brains out. Maybe just blew your spouses brains out. In real life horrible situations that you hate to imagine I’m not going to assume that I’m going to be be mowing down bad guys without a miss.

I also want to be able to put down suppressive fire in the unlikely but real event that I need it. In some of the mob attacks we’ve seen guys with AR’s and AK’s and at minimum double stack magazine Glock’s and such I don’t recall seeing any revolvers or single stack pistols. So why start at an ammo disadvantage if I don’t have to.
The other thin I haven’t seen mentioned is If I have 15-20 rounds its going to allow me to force him to duck for cover even if I’m unable to get him square in my sight right away as I run or move to cover also. If you have a guy blasting at you. Your going to want to return fire while maneuvering in order to limit his tactical advantage so that he isn’t just standing there teeing off on you. If you’re returning fire on the move while he’s also on the move and your adrenaline is surging it’s going to be really easy to burn through 6-8 shots in my opinion.

"170 double spaced pages", you should be more concerned with your typing addiction than combat doctrine.

What a goon.


mike r

He’s just a troll. I’m unaware of any police, military, or combat pistol shooting school that teaches anything but to double tap the target in all but the most rare circumstances. In case presented with him in the wide open surrounded by 8 guys shooting at him that might be one but he’d be dead anyway and it’s completely unrealistic.
As unrealistic as 8 armed attackers are in real life and I order to survive it he’d have to find cover and from there engage targets based on opportunity and threat level. Near to far, possibly the weapon they were armed with and a few other factors. Each target would be treated as an individual threat and double tapped if possible with rare exception before transitioning to the next threat.
If ever there would be a situation to have as many rounds at your disposal as possible to factor in misses, follow up shots, and suppressive fire to avoid being over run that would be it.
He’s a troll with no practical combat pistol training to speak of.

Always chuckled at the mention of a "New York reload". Then, during 9/11, saw a NYPD detective get out of his vehicle with a double holster. Two revolvers, one over top the other...

bring your 30 guys and TRY it. i"ll kill 8 of you in 2 seconds and you'll chit yourselves running clean out of town.

so what? everyone 'thinks' the FBI is such hot [bleep], but tey were still teaching one handed point shooting at 25m, in the 80s. :-) they spent 8 MILLION $ in today's money, discovering that pistols dont pierce cars waf. I could have told them that much in 1969. The fact, that you' and others would be so stupid as to waste half of your ammo, in the face of 20 or more attackers, says all I need to know. They aint got guns. they are felons. like the 3 that Kyle shot. They are not hanging around in the face of certain death. The spare mag can be drawn with the gun and be in the piece and firing in 1.5 seconds. there's no reason to fire beyond 10 ft , no reason to miss, even once.

Now that’s funny!

Do you kiss your boyfriend after you swallow him?

sheit Ask Mas who could draw and hit twice as fast as he could, back in 1979 in Litchfield Ill? Ask Bill wilson who's got the fastest ccw draw he's ever seen. I've drawn on men half a dozen times, and only had to fire once It was dark and the 4 guys didn't believe I had a gun. When 8.5 grs of Unique and a 185 gr Hornady jhp lit up the entire COUNTY fired over their heads, they got back into their car a LOT faster than they'd jumped out! :-) The other times, my gun appeared so fast that they couldn't effing believe it. I had a fat punk charge me from about 12 ft away with a big Crescent wrench., I was cocked and locked, open wear, but had no round chambered. I got the gun level, wracked the slide, got a weaver on his face and he was STILL far enough away to stop when I said "DROP It"". He did, and then fled. One more step and he was going to be eating a .45 swc.

Cool story.

I taught Wilson and Ayoob.

There I was...again...no shixt!

Gee, how brave people are at saying things from behind the safety of that screen.

I've never said anything online that I wouldn't say to anyone's face. Anyone moves on me, they're dead. I"ve been on the run before and kind of liked it. I wont hesitate the slightest fraction of a second. If you've got a heavy coat, just have the pistol in a holster made for that coat pocket, and keep your hands in your pockets. The draw will be twice as fast as from any shoulder, rig, even if the coat is NOT fastened shut.

No you haven't, and yes you would.

shows how little you know. I jumped a fed bond in 1986, and then escaped in 1990. So I've been on the run twice.