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Ruger gets Marlin
Vista gets Lonoke ammo plant
Sierra gets Barnes
Etc

Should make a lot of members here happy.

Yes, and I could probably name half of them

Probably best thing to happen to Marlin.
If someone would take Remington, get rid of the schit handguns, the schit rifles and make the 700, a decent couple rimfires, the 1100, 870 & 11-87 and do them right finally, they could probably be GTG.

well at least good companies like Ruger will continue their line

Hopefully Ruger fixes Marlin QC. Someone could bring back Remington as a mid range brand with the 700, bag the cheapo lines and keep the scatter guns.

Green box Remington ammo has always been decent and popular.

Hope Sierra doesn’t F up Barnes.
Probably go like this -
“Hello, Sierra? Yeh, my tsx didn’t expand ...”

What about Bubba and his $279 price point?

😃

Bubba can buy a Hi-Point.

They can buy a Savage?

No doubt Ruger has the skills and knowledge to resurrect the Marlin name and restore its reputation and quality. Wonder if they might start making the 39A again?

Let him eat cake.

Not sure Ruger will do much to help with Marlin's QC. Ruger has great customer service but lousy QC. The customer is Ruger's QC department. I like Ruger, but it's true.

Sorry to see Remington go this way. Ya gotta figure someone will buy the rights to Remington branded firearms. I just wish they had been better managed. I wonder if Vista will use the plant to expand their Federal & CCI lines or if they will keep the Remington brand and ammo line-up? I hope they bought the Rem. ammo brand and rights to their products.

I feel sorry for H&R.

Yep the red headed step child.

I thought that maybe Fiocchi might buy out the Remington Plant In Lonoke Arkansas.

Is there a source for this?

I'm glad that didn't happen. I'm happy that a US company got it. Vista/Federal will put out a quality product. Fiocchi would have most likely put their cheap Euro primers that are brittle and easy to pierce on the ammo.

It would be great if Ruger brought the 39A back and did it right. Time will only tell. Where is the info on who got what? Just curious is all as I hadn’t read anything anywhere prior to this.

What I have seen.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/r...on-ammo-franklin-armory-gets-bushmaster/

Maybe whoever got the ammo will fix Thunderturds so they at least go off most of the time, too much to expect you would be able to hit anything with them. Friends dont let friends shoot Remington .22 ammo.

Bubba eating cake doesn't do much for the company's bottom line.

No doubt that ammo is a joke. When it does shoot that only starts your next chain of hassle of FTE or FTF the next round.

Hope Ruger doesn’t get the Rem 700, and make it as inaccurate as Ruger centerfires.

I think this is a good move for all of the companies involved. Everything is going to America companies and real manufacturing companies not another holding company looking to leverage every cent it can and then bail.

I see Ruger and Marlin being a good fit. Ruger is innovative and a leader in making decent products at low cost.

Sierra should be a good fit for Barnes. Sierras a quality company with good target and varmit bullets but it didn’t have a top of the line type big game hunting bullet.

Ruger only got the Marlin line, the non marlin Remington brand gun line went to a real Estate capital investment group. H&r, Dpms, stormlake, aac and parker to a capital group ran by founder of Palmetto State Armory and bushmaster to Franklin Armory

Sig Sauer which has a plant in Arkansas as well, is the backup bidder.

So the Remington branded firearms is with another holding company?

What a twisted web! Maybe PSA can sell a 700 with enhanced trigger?

I shoot boxes and boxes of that stuff and if you can't hit anything, I would expect it to be the operator.

Obviously it will shoot in some guns. It’s reputation for being one of the least reliable major brand makes of ammo is well deserved in my experience with it.
In fairness I haven’t used it in probably five years maybe they improved it’s reliability. It was so bad that I refuse to buy it even when on sale. I’ve had a few guns that were reliable with almost everything but Remington Thunderbolts. Including one bolt action that would extract anything but Thunderbolts without issue. Every single Thunderbolt had to be dugout of the chamber. Tight chamber? Weak extractor? I don’t know but it was the only ammunition to get me trouble.

OK, so it is obvious it will shoot in some guns, but not just yours.

Ruger no longer makes their 77/22 walnut/blued.

For center fires you can’t buy a 77/Hawkeye in wood/blued, only wood/stainless/threaded.

They’ve gone big on RAR plastic price point stuff.

Red Label shotguns are long gone.

#1s are ultra limited production.

Does that bode well for a 39 reappearance?

So will Be Fiocchi in Little Rock Arkansas, Sig Sauer in Jacksonville AR and Vista in Lonoke AR ?

If so that means that all three would be less than 45 minutes from each other ,probably closer to 30 minutes.

23 Minutes from Lonoke to Jacksonville, 19 minutes from Jacksonville to Little Rock, 28 Minutes from Lonoke to Little Rock.

Back when I was 18 I used to drive from Brinkley Ar to Jacksonville Ar to hook up with a Gal I knew There and when circumstances allowed to go on over to Little Rock and Hook up with a Gal I knew there.

That was 42 Years ago
The years have gone by fast

Riiight it must be my lack of firearm maintenance. That Remington Thunderbolt ammunition is far and away one of the most (probably the most) absolutely hated .22 lr on the market with countless negative reviews describing similar issues would say otherwise.

Not when you put it like that but the one hope might be as someone else posted the marlin 39a would seem like a natural fit with the Ruger Single-Six and Bearcat. I’d feel better about it though if Bill Ruger we’re still around. It’s going to be interesting to see what Ruger/Marlin come up with.

Yes....a real estate capital company at that!

Remington is dead set on killing Remington.

We love it in the hunter safety classes and KAMO (Kids and Mentors Outdoors) outings, because the bricks are cheap, the ammo goes bang with very few misfires and extraction issues. Pumps, bolt actions, single shots and semi-auto rifles as well as some handguns were utilized.

Joke of the day!

Ruger has been making Blaxkhawks in 45 for what 50 years. Plus.

And they still can't get the throats right.

How many years did they put bad barrels on their guns?
And fanboys blame the vendors.
A batch? Maybe. Should they have found it?
But over years?

No, Rugers quality control is way to schiddy to fix anybody's mess.

Mule Deer:
" I've owned a pile of 77's of all eras. While one barrel truly sucked (a 7x57 with a bore that had numerous loose spots, with the tight spots measuring .287), all the others shot anywhere from acceptably to very well. My acceptable rating is three shots in an inch for big game rifles, and five shots in an inch for varmint rifles, and very well is half that. Most of them required some work on the bedding and trigger, but then a lot of factory rifles do."

Boxer - Big Stick:
"I've Ruger familiarity and accept them for what they are. Light or bullet proof they are not, though curiously enough they are oft maligned by the masses for "accuracy" woe which I've yet to see, though of course I shoot a bit, which tend to tip numerous scales."
A general comment about the rifles I owned and owned by others is, some would show respectable accuracy from the get go, others it would take several rounds to show respectable accuracy, some liked a clean barrel, some shot best with a dirty barrel. But, you know, I have seen this behavior in other rifle makes and models, too.

One rifle I owned shot great from the start then suddenly groups opened up...way up. A gunsmith member at the gun club shared a tip to see if it corrected the problem. He said it is possible the angle screw touched the stock hole after a few rounds. Further advised to take the gun apart and slightly ream the stock hole with a 1/4" round file. WOW! That cured the problem. I have helped 2 or 3 other club members do the same thing.

It is sad to see them scuttle Remington.

When did all of this go down and where is the info on it??

Truth about Guns has a story on it .

It truly is but that investment firm robbed them blind, at a time when Remington should have done nothing but grown it crashed because it was robbed blind.

Unfortunately, resurrecting the 39A would be like resurrecting the 9422--at least a thousand dollar proposition in todays market, even if you built it in the Phillipines. Dont see how it would sell enough to justify the tooling.

Who gets H&R, hopefully Ruger.

Oh I see, JJE Capital Holdings, LLC

I’m very happy to see Ruger get Marlin. Ruger really listens to customers pretty good and there is a lot to like and work with the Marlin

Does or did Remington own Dakota Rifles? Did Remington fug that all up also?

The

Thats the capital group ran by the founder of Palmetto state armory

For the much more complete story and interesting reading if you read fast Truth about Guns links to a 1498 ppg. Court document Case No. 20-81688-CRJ11 with more filings available from the court's sites and presumably Lexis/Nexis and such.

I expect Ruger to operate/fold in Marlin and Bushmaster to continue or be folded into Franklin Armory. Barnes should be a useful addition to a Sierra that faces increasing competition from Berger. If Storm Lake continues in operation as in the past I will buy some threaded barrels - currently I have an order in with Barsto but that's a you can only pick good can't have fast OR cheap of the other two - granted none better for quality and helpfulness.

Most buyers seem to be speculators and not to be gun people. I expect there was some arbitrage betting on whether Harris will be issuing executive orders next year and value goes to zero or Trump continues and value goes with quality of product.

I think a stainless laminate Ultra resurrection would be well appreciated even at a higher price

Yep!!!

Remington does own Dakota pending sale including the FFL as located in Sturgis. The term occurs a dozen times in the Court document, referenced elsewhere in this thread including South Dakota water issues.

There are references in the Court document that might or might not - I haven't made a close study and if anybody cares I encourage them to do their own reading and research 1498 searchable pages - mention the disposition of Dakota including a suggestion that if anybody who didn't buy it ends up with pieces of Dakota the person in possession owes that piece to the buyer, at least I think it can be read that way. Disentangling Dakota and the Remington Custom Shop will be difficult and I suppose expensive.

Ruger is not likely to bring back the 39 or anything else with Marlin. I expect that they will turn Marlin production over to everything cheap, plastic-stocked, and tacticool. They will probably make very little that actually resembles a Marlin.

Vista? Get ready for more ammo rebates. The only way Vista knows how to market is by rebates.

Bb

I read that they produced lead fouling so I had to see for myself. Bought a box of Thunderturds and fired them through a Ruger pistol. Got strips of lead in the bore.

If roundoak is happy with his gun and those groups he posted, good for him. I wouldn't be. Minute of squirrel isn't good enough for me. My 10/22 carbine with factory barrel will shoot consistently into 3/4 inch at 50 yards with decent factory ammo, not match grade. Have to wonder what his cleaning protocol is. Maybe he subscribes to the "never clean a .22" school. As far as the operator, I know jnyork shoots silhouette competition, so I trust his judgment, and I shoot matches also, factory class. I know how to shoot and maintain a .22.

Paul

You must have different Rugers than I do.

Better yet - just drop that pos X-mark trigger and assign the contract to TriggerTech and use those for the M700... Oh - and ensure the handles don't fall off...

I bought my first nice deer rifle in 1979 from my shop foreman, I was 18. It was a Remington 700 Classic in .270. I killed my biggest buck to date with it last season. In using it there is no comparison to it and the never 700s and it's been that way for years. Mine is much better and has always shot sub 1 minute groups with factory ammo. I'm not sure when it happened but most of the big name companies started a different approach to manufacturing and took most of the skilled hands on work out of the firearms business, much the same as Winchester by re-making the model 70 after 1964. This, to me, was the beginning of the end for many. The accountants had more sway on the company than the people that knew how to build things. Then with rich people looking for places to invest and not knowing anything about the shooting world it got worse.

Remington has made some excellent stuff over the years. I hate to see a great company go down and hope we see it make a comeback. It seems a hard sell in today's climate for quality with the crowd that most companies look to, the younger folks. Were it up to me I'd step back a few years and bring back the model 788 for an economical field grade rifle and make sure every 700 that went out the door had a glass smooth action and that it shot as well as anything that can be had. Drop the handguns and the AR line and cater to the hunter. And only hire real shooters. Then get a PR man like Herb Parsons to show off the best MADE IN USA rifle you could buy.

Yep, I am happy with the groups with that ammo and the iron sighted 1906. Is that 10/22 carbine scoped? As far as my cleaning protocol, I shoot until accuracy falls off. I don't shoot matches with 22 rimfires or centerfires, just small game, big game and varmints.

Good for you that you know how to shoot and maintain a 22 and glad you put it in the thread so there is no question about your experience.

Tough to recover after an equity firm buys you out, leverages a sale after raping your capital, then allows the company to become deep in debt and essentially worthless on the market all the while cutting corners and cheapening the product line.

I doubt whoever takes over Remington will produce a fine quality rifle ever again at a price point acceptable to the consumer after the schitstain of bankruptcy. Maybe the value of older Remington rifles will go up like the pre-64 Winchesters. Here’s hoping....

I suspect all of that will happen.

Ruger is about making money the right way.

Any time an investment firm is interested in a company it is to use the company as a tax loss deduction, thats why they buy failing companys..

Ruger could do a nice limited run of lever guns, call em Lipseys exclusives ( like the Number 1).

Blood suckers at work, yet again.

Not too unlike vultures pecking away at road kill...

Mittens Romney and his like have feasted on distressed companies for decades. Suck'em dry, throw'em to the wolves, move on to the next carcass...

If what I hear about Marlin is true (Ruger getting them) that's good news. Ruger will make them better and will probably offer unique versions, which will be exciting. I can even see them making some retro, vintage offerings.. Bill Ruger would love that. So will we.

Time will tell.

DF

I do to, but they've been out of business for the last 5 years.

Remington got one of the best of the low priced rifles when they acquired Marlin. The X7 series was certainly vastly better than Remington's own attempt at a budget rifle, the lamentable 710 / 770. The could have just kept selling them as Marlins, but Remington decided to sell them as Remington 783s, after adding the large dose of ugly Remington seemed to think a budget gun required.

I’m glad I have plenty, the newer ones may not be very good.

I'm sure Ruger had some things in mind when they took on Marlin.

Could get interesting.

Otherwise, I agree.

Not a good thing generally for us shooters and gun nuts.

DF

I wonder if Ruger has any interest in Remington’s shotgun line?

Ruger subbed out its barrels in the80- 90's and they were not that good ala mini-14. they now hammer forge them which I think makes the best mass produced barrel

what gets me is why these companies allow the demonic vultures to buy their way in? look what the tribe did to cabelas

Yup they suck every dime that they can out and then bankrupt it on the suppliers and taxpayers backs.

Ruger periodically suspends production of stuff that is in good supply in the marketplace. Why keep making stuff that's already out there for buyers? They will be back, as will other stuff as demand warrants. If Remington was run by smarter people, they wouldnt have gotten chopped up.

Any retailer or wholesaler can order up a special run of just about any configuration Ruger makes, if they think they can sell them. See them all the time.

Because they get in a bind, the big financial houses buy the assets and there it goes...

When you lose control, you have no control...

DF

Green box Remington ammo has always been decent and popular.

+1
their green box 45-70 400 grain JSP just saved me mucho $$ !! How? It regulates well in my Beretta 45-70 DR and the 300 grain stuff that came with the gun , while very accurate from each barrel, was poorly regulated. It can easily cost $1,000 to have a double rifle regulated; that includes ammo and labor of a competent DR smith/gun maker. I actually wanted 400 grain ammo regulation anyhow, so :):):) all around!

To me, the devil's in the details, price, market, etc.

At least they reportedly are interested in Marlin. That's a plus for us.

DF

If I took over Remington I'd modify the 700. Maybe call it the 7000 because it'd be about 10 times better. I'd try to leave it so it fit the same stocks and took the same aftermarket triggers. Then I'd lengthen the mag boxes to where the SA was 3.00" and the LA was about 4.00". If it can be done with a POS wyatts box there should be a better way to do it factory.

Then I'd fast twist all of the barrels and make most all 5r. 30 cals would be 8.5 twist, 7mms and 6.5s would be 8 twist, maybe 7.5 on the 6.5s, the 6mms would be 7 twist. I'd offer Creedmoor in 22 and 6mm at 7 twist and 6.5 and a new 7mm Creedmoor in 8 twists.

I'd bring back the first gen Ti and do a SS version of it. And make a LVSF again but put it in a TI saum style stock instead.

Better triggers all the way around, and quit wasting time with cerekote and and nitride everything. I think howa was stupid to get rid of their stainless and try to sell us on cerekote on a chromoly steel gun. I want corrosion protection on the inside of the bore not just the outside of the barrel. Salt bath nitride treats the bore too not just outside of the barrel.

Bb

This ^^^^^^^ ... Focus on making a few product variations. And do them WELL...

I’d start with the basics (bolt centerfire ,bolt rim fire and a shotgun or two) . Update those , market those . Once successful sales numbers are happening then expand products

Bolt centerfire: SA: 223, 6.5 CM , 7/08

LA: 257 Bob (hehe) 270, 30/06

It's how our markets work.

There are other market models in this world, none of which work as well as ours. I don't know if you are suggesting a government controlled market would be better? I suspect not.

Anyway, big green's grave stone was etched a long time ago.

I wish you'd buy them.

Apparently so, several 77s in varmint guns, several 77 rimfires, four number 1s , and most recent, a 77/17 in 17 hornet. Yes, I’m a slow learner. None were what I’d call accurate. Tried lots of trigger jobs, forend work on the #1s, bolt shims on the rimfires and 77/17, and more.
And I know what you’re thinking, but I have a number of R700s, Sakos, and Anschutz that shoot sub 1” and many close to 1/2” with me pulling the trigger.

I'm.with you Dale, I own a few and have owned several, just never owned one that was a shooter. I wanna like em, but always grab a 700 on the way out the door.

Kind of ironic, the last few years would read constant criticism from the Marlin guys about the quality of the “Remlins”. Check gunbroker for current prices on a new SBL.
$1350-1500 is now the new normal.