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I've got 10 lbs left but - damit...
They say everything happens for a reason.
For me that reason is usually because I've made some bad decisions that I need to pay for.
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I did not know that. Have about 1/2 pound left. It’s been my go to 17 REM powder for 20 plus years.
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Saw some a few weeks ago. Guess Its a good thing I didnt grab it for load development...
That's really a classic gone...
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Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay "
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In the past twenty years that I have been using it, I never thought it got the respect it deserved. What with all the new powders that have been developed, they just didn't push it on us anymore. Use it mostly in my 22-250s behind any bullet.
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I have an unopened 8 lb keg.... if someone needs it... not shipping it... would have to be a face to face in Montana
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It wasn't long ago, I saw an article on line, about it being a great substitute for the guys who couldn't find Varget....
I prefer IMR still over most Hodgdon/ADI powders...
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I have 5 lb unopened and a little. I'd let it go face to face NE SD.
I prefer classic.
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...another classic bites the dust. Wonder what else is on the chopping block?
I'm guessing 3031 isn't long for this world.
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I know Varget and IMR4320 are supposed to be the same thing... but my 22-250 doesnt. I always got slightly better speeds and slightly tighter groups with the 4320
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IMR 4320 is my go to in the 35 Whelen with a 250 gr bullet and it is my favorite for the 115 gr Speer HP in the 7x57 mm. Got a good supply.
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IMR 4320 is my go to in the 35 Whelen with a 250 gr bullet and it is my favorite for the 115 gr Speer HP in the 7x57 mm. Got a good supply. wise man...
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
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I've got a sealed tin.......IMR from yrs ago.......
I'm a nice guy......I'd give it to a 'Fire Guy......FTF that is
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I used it for the 300 Savage and 350 Rem. Mag. I'm annoyed at having to find new loads. Who, other than Hodgdon, sells powder in the U. S.?
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I just bought a pound of 4320 because it was supposed to be a good replacement for Varget. But, there is significant difference between the 2 loads listed on the Winchester/IMR/Hogden web site between the 2. I have been reluctant to use it in My M1 Garand because of that difference. I loaded the Garand ammo at 48.4 grains and it shot very well. Since I don't have a chrono to confirm velocities I am currently holding on to the 4320 until I can get some Varget.
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For varget h4895 and 4166 are pretty damn close.
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For varget h4895 and 4166 are pretty damn close. I wish I'd of picked up the 4166. I still might do that. kwg
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I just checked the Hodgdon website and 4320 aint there...
I also noticed H4895 wasn't there either...
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I hate to hear that about H4895
There are 2 rules to success:
1. Never tell everything that you know.
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I just checked the Hodgdon website and 4320 aint there...
I also noticed H4895 wasn't there either... I just went on their reloading site, and picked the 243 and 3 bullet weights, and checked off H 4895 and 4320.. on the end of that, it gives a spot to click to purchase the powder... 4320 listed no longer available H 4895 just listed currently out of stock...
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
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Thanks John!
I just picked up a pound of H4895 at the store this morning after posting that..
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A very versatile powder that’s been around a long time. Best powder in a 17 Remington and 35 Whelen. And works great in myriad other rounds. It’s not new and “improved” so it probably doesn’t interest many of the newer generation of shooters. Just us dinosaurs that stick to our old favorites.
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Thanks John!
I just picked up a pound of H4895 at the store this morning after posting that.. you're welcome Tom and happy to help out....
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
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Do have some IMR 4320 left, and have been looking. Damn !
Have been using 4320 for a long time pushing 150 gr Hornadys from my '60 Savage 99 Featherweight... 300 Savage. Shoots pretty consistent groups for a light lever gun. Started using it cuz my reloading manual showed good numbers with it.
Sporterized a old Mauser & kept it in 7 x 57. Got the new barrel 'matured' by now. The 4320 pushed 150 gr Winchester factory bullets into 1" <--->2" groups. Pushed 150 gr Partitions into 1"----when i was any good. Mild loads. Used the 4320 here cuz i had some on the shelf for the Savage.
Have been using it in my 223. Works good. Will really miss it.
Ran thru my powder measure pretty good for a stick powder.
Gettin kinda old n creaky to be deer hunting like i used to do. So maybe i just dont work up loads for those oldies above. Use what i have.
Have a pre-64 Model 70 in 270 which shoots 130 gr stuff very well using IMR 4350. We have a lot of miles together. lately its been a Closet Queen. But when hunting season is about to start............ i get near it and i have feelings of guilt......
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During this quarantine sometimes I mess with these rifles and take a walk down Memory Lane. Maybe hum a few bars from THE WAY WE WERE. My bride gives me 'that look.' I tell her that the gun powder and primer shortages, et al..... have several causes... and that THEY are out to GET ME. The FBI. The CIA. The military/industrial complex. The Dems. The GOP. The space aliens.
More of 'that look' from my bride who tells me she thinks i am paranoid.
I remind her that just because THEY are out to GET ME doesnt really prove I am paranoid. no matter who you are, SOMEBODY is out to GET YOU.
I just go back to humming. I have a lot to hum about.
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IMR 4320 was either discontinued or very hard to get for a long time about thirty years ago. I substituted IMR 4064 in some .338-06 loads. Accuracy and velocity were about the same and the powder charge weight was very close. I haven't bought any IMR 4320 since. Same experience with .22-250 loads. Today, I would also try H4895.
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If you aren't loading small necked cases.. like 17 Fireballs and 17 Rem, or 20 caliber...
then IMR 4895 is a good substitute.... just add a grain or so to your load and it should be pretty much the same velocity as 4320...
4320, 4895 and 4064 overlap so much, I can see from an accountant's or manufacturing engineer's perspective you're really duplicating the same end results...
I don't agree with the powder being discontinued after being in product since the 20s or 30s ( I read on Wiki)...
I tend to use tried and true, vs latest greatest....which I am in the minority with that attitude...
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I’ve used it in 17 Rem, 250-3000 and 223. Still
Using it in a 223 gas gun.
I still have 6# left. Bought all my local shop had back when I heard it was being discontinued. Still, I’d like to have found more or better yet, an 8# jug.
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The main difference between 4320 and 4064 is the way it flows so nicely thru a powder measure.
The late Jack O conner liked 4320 for that very reason, and he is the one who convinced me to try it.
Once i did i never went back to using 4064.
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Its one of the few powders I've never tried.
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