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My brother doesn't talk to me but it goes back 25 years or so and politics would just make it worse. He won't even acknowledge my or my wifes presence on the rare occasion we are in the same vicinity. I would not bother. People who live by family no matter what will just find themselves in an emotional hole with them. There's a good reason family is considered the other 4 letter word.


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Originally Posted by High_Noon
So my ignoramus of a brother called me called me yesterday to inform me that he voted. He was drunk as Hell, as usual, and he started in on Trump in an overly loud and sarcastic voice, making remarks about how great Trump was and that he loves being unemployed, how great a job Trump's done handling the Kung Flu & the economy, ad nauseam. Of course, when I attempted to refute any of his idiotic statements, he'd raise his voice and start frothing at the mouth. After a few minutes, I'd had enough and with understated fury, I very distinctly said: "YOU'RE A F*CKING MORON!" and I hung up on him. I've never hung-up on my brother before. A few minutes later, he began a barrage of text messages, each more asinine than the last.

I've known for decades that my brother's a f*cking Leftist, and I've been avoiding a knock-down, drag-out with him because, well, we all know how futile attempting a civil discussion with a rabid Leftist can be. Sure, we've had conversations regarding politics on occasion, but half the time I have no f*cking idea what he's on about, and I've told him exactly that. I'm not claiming to be an expert in politics, but I have taken the time to research my beliefs and ferret out the truth. I'm also the first to tell you that I'm not the smartest guy in room, but I did go back to school after 25 years since I earned my bachelors degree and I earned a Master's degree in geology, which was heavy on high-level calculus, chemistry, geochemistry, physics and trig. I also wrote and published a 162 page, highly technical thesis, which has now been downloaded by almost 60 scientists and universities world-wide. All this was no easy feat, I can assure you. My purpose in stating all this is to impress upon you that I am not a f*cking idiot and when I tell you that I couldn't follow - or even understand - his arguments I mean just that. He's a moron, so attempting to understand the arguments of a Leftist moron is probably not even possible.

So, I've mainly been avoiding a confrontation with my brother for all these years because I wanted to avoid any contention between us, after all, he is my brother. This time; however, he crossed the line and I've had enough.

As far as my brother is concerned, I simply cannot understand why an educated man who loves the outdoors, guns and fishing, and who purportedly loves America and Liberty can be such a f*cking rabid Leftist. This is all the more humorous (or maybe I should say tragic) because he holds himself out as an Independent.

I have gone to great lengths to purge Leftists and Marxists from my life. I do not tolerate them unless absolutely necessary. Friends are one thing, family is another. Though the CA contingency of my family is comprised of many Marxists, I do little more than tolerate them. I do not wish my brother to fall into that category as well.

So I wrote him a letter since civil discussion is impossible. I am torn and I cannot decide if I should send it to him or not. I can keep the peace by not sending it. Sending it may irreparably harm our relationship as brothers, but then again, maybe he'll realize what a f*cking moron he is, which is probably a pipe dream. Below is a brief rough draft that I was planning to flesh out for many more pages, citing each of Trump's many great accomplishments, while refuting many of the common Marxist ascertains, but why should I go to the trouble? Maybe because he's my brother, but I see it as a fool's errand. Below is the letter for your perusal. I would appreciate your comments. Again, this is a rough draft.

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Brother,

The vastness of your ignorance is absolutely astounding. Every single statement you made to me, both during our conversation and in the subsequent text messages you sent to me was dead wrong. I find it incredible that you actually believe the statements you made, all of which has lead me to the obvious, inevitable, and foregone conclusion that you, sir, are a Marxist. You clearly are not an Independent, nor are you capable of critical thought, as you claim. There is no other explanation for your beliefs. Every single contention you made was patently false. Not only that, but almost everything you stated sounded as if it was coming directly from the commie-loving mainstream media (MSM), which makes you a good Bolshevik that falls into line with the Marxist party doctrine, not an independent free-thinker. I am truly saddened by the knowledge that should there be another civil war in this country (many believe it has already started) that you and I would be on opposite sides.

Regarding your text messages to me, your first mistake was stating that I needed to be deprogrammed. This is exactly what a Marxist would say to someone who does not share his beliefs. For proof, just look at unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, who in 1969, estimated that a minimum of 25 million Americans would have to be eliminated (executed) in reeducation camps (Jasper, William F., Obama’s Friend Ayers: Kill 25 Million Americans, NewAmerican, 2008). Updated to today’s population levels, that estimate rises to somewhere around 50 million. For you to even suggest this to me belies your true beliefs.

Your second error was calling me a cult member. So according to you, anyone who supports our President and his many outstanding accomplishments, believes in the Constitution, has Conservative values, believes in liberty, personal responsibility, small government, a strong national defense, and border security is a cult member? I believe you’ll find the legion of Conservatives in this country would strongly disagree with you.

Your third text message to me was utterly asinine. When I read it, all I could do was slowly shake my head in wonder and disgust at the depth of delusion you must be under to believe such a idiotic statement. You stated, and I quote, “If you think you can fight this, know there are far more weapons on this side [sic]” Though I know you would never threaten me, this statement sounds suspiciously like a threat. Do you actually believe that a bunch of leftist, commie-loving Marxists own more weapons than the Conservative majority of this country? Do you truly believe that? The force delusion is strong with this one, (Vader, Darth, Star Wars Episode IV, 1977). There is somewhere between 412 and 660 million firearms in America today (Jacques, Jenn, How many Guns Are There in the US? A Lot More Than You Think, 2019). The vast majority of those weapons are owned by Conservatives and, as I’m sure you’re loath to acknowledge, Conservatives still vastly outnumber Marxists in this country. The MSM would have you believe that all these Marxists ideas and plans are mainstream in America today, and as American as baseball, Mom and apple pie. Don’t you believe it.

Insert Image: American gun ownership map by political party

Fourth text message: “And this side is Democracy [sic]” Despite myself, this gem of yours made me smile. First and foremost, Young, brother o’ mine, The United States of America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. You may call your side ‘Democracy,’ or ‘Democratic Socialist,’ or whatever new word-manipulated term “your side” comes up with to disguise their true intentions, but the true meaning of any and all of these terms is Marxist.

You blamed Trump for your lack of employment. Though we are both currently in perilous positions, I am far more invested that you: I expended an incredible amount of time, effort and expense to earn a master's degree, which so far, has proven to be virtually useless. When have you ever seen me blame Trump? It is not the duty of the President of the United States to provide you with a job. The duty of the President, and by extension, the US government, is foremost to protect our country from aggressors (both militarily and economically) and to provide a climate that is conducive to economic growth, without undue regulation, onerous taxation, interference, oppression or tyranny.

My advice to you is to stop drinking and stop being such a f*cking moron.

*****

NOTES:
Where are all the dead polor bears, where are all the dead people from the neverbeforeseen heat waves sweeping across America? You stated that everyone was going to get COVId – then explain this:

Insert Image: Actual Kung Flu stats:

It’s always easier to go with the flow than to expend the time and effort to look past the MSM bullshit and do the work necessary to ferret out the truth.

I resent having to write you this letter, but it’s been a long time coming and you just crossed the line with all your idiotic statements

I know you’re a froth-at-the-mouth BLM supporter – have you even performed due diligence on this organization. Do you even know who the founders of BLM are and what they represent?






My friend, I'm very sorry to tell you that your letter will more than likely fall on deaf ears.

I have a sister and long time ex-gf who are "quiet" democrats. Why? Because neither can refute the facts they are faced with on the condition of the soul of our country their party has taken us to or the destruction it has caused.

If that devious slime of a man Biden is elected, however, they will find out. Their cushy little lives (my sister's anyway) will soon be stressed with insecurity, and I don't know if there will ever be a way back from that.

For that reason, I just ordered another month supply of freeze-dried foodstores.


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Quit pretending the facts matter to these folks. Shame and ridicule only, the bigger the better. You're already on your way there with "f-ing moron", but I'm not that creative, so there's probably room to improve.

The fun thing about all of these other developed semi-socialist countries is that they don't let just anyone into them. Northman as a schoolteacher and raft renter likely doesn't rate. Should gone into STEM, there, Walt. Not hard to find an engineering job.

Norway is a fun one to talk about. They're absolutely dripping with oil money; that's how they function as they do. Good thing to remember when you get any enviromental lectures from scandahoovians.

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Originally Posted by Northman
All other western countries, all other 1st world countries, all other English speaking countries have politics to the left of the Democratic Party.

All those other countries are pretty good places to live as well... and not some imaginary communist marxist hellhole.


Looking back at all other Republican presidents, you would now call all of them communists. Thats how far you have drifted right....


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Your brain is the embodiment of schit soup.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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Don't forget, he's still a brother.



I don't know that that's so.

My cousin died of cancer a few years ago. He doted on his kids, and never, ever missed an opportunity to brag on them.

That cousin was also big into family history, and history in general. Our great, great grandfather fought for the CSA, and Mike, my cousin contacted the right people, and organized a ceremony at his grave site, recognizing him as a CSA veteran.


Now a few years have gone by, and one of Mike's daughters is radically "Woke", and got on facebook to publicly trash her father, grandfather, and great great grandfather for fighting for the CSA, or even being proud of that heritage and legacy.

That's right, she publicly trashed her dead father and condemned him, and the rest of the family with words that were pure venom. She wants no part of her family.

I sure don't consider her part of mine after that.





Grant her the freedom she wants..

to be one of the first to end up in a FEMA camp.

Ran into one a couple days ago. School teacher. Total psycho. Wished Trump had died from Wuhan flu.

When she stopped her TDS ranting, I asked here if she remembered what the Khmer Rouge did with school teachers?

Wasn't that long ago, darlin.


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Me and my older sister had it out in 1986,the year my Father has heart surgery.

During the talk she said that she voted for clinton because he was cute.

We have not talked since.

She gave me a copy of her will to hold when she dies but that's about all that has happened since.

My Mother tells me how she is doing.

I really don't care and the other Sister and Brothers know it.

Don't feel bad about it at all.

She did call years later and said she was sorry for what she said but it is too late.


PS:send it

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Originally Posted by Vek
Quit pretending the facts matter to these folks. Shame and ridicule only, the bigger the better. You're already on your way there with "f-ing moron", but I'm not that creative, so there's probably room to improve.

The fun thing about all of these other developed semi-socialist countries is that they don't let just anyone into them. Northman as a schoolteacher and raft renter likely doesn't rate. Should gone into STEM, there, Walt. Not hard to find an engineering job.

Norway is a fun one to talk about. They're absolutely dripping with oil money; that's how they function as they do. Good thing to remember when you get any enviromental lectures from scandahoovians.



I like to remind my socialist virtue signaling anti Trump Scandanavian friends about how they surrendered right away to the NAZi's, helped round up their jews to send to death camps and even served along side the NAZI's in the German Army.

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Wait until the election has been decided, if Trump wins just chuckle and tell him you cancelled his vote out.

I distance myself at this point from the left because its not benign like it used to be, its good and evil.

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Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Vek
Quit pretending the facts matter to these folks. Shame and ridicule only, the bigger the better. You're already on your way there with "f-ing moron", but I'm not that creative, so there's probably room to improve.

The fun thing about all of these other developed semi-socialist countries is that they don't let just anyone into them. Northman as a schoolteacher and raft renter likely doesn't rate. Should gone into STEM, there, Walt. Not hard to find an engineering job.

Norway is a fun one to talk about. They're absolutely dripping with oil money; that's how they function as they do. Good thing to remember when you get any enviromental lectures from scandahoovians.



I like to remind my socialist virtue signaling anti Trump Scandanavian friends about how they surrendered right away to the NAZi's, helped round up their jews to send to death camps and even served along side the NAZI's in the German Army.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by wabigoon
I did not get along with my sister, she died before she reached the age of 60. I do not feel good about the troubles we had.



You shouldn't feel bad.

Did you wrong her?

Knowing you, I doubt you did.

You can offer an olive branch, but when they take it, and whip you with it, there's no guilt on your part.



Yup, you can be nice but when they refuse or abuse you you have done nothing wrong and it's just best to get away from the toxic human beings.

My brother is like that, I haven't spoken a word to him in 5 years. I am surprised in the fact that I thought I would miss him at least a little but rarely even think of him, when a thread like this pops up is about the only time I think about him anymore.

My sister is a very kind and generous individual and eve she is tiring of it and starting to cut him out of her life more and more. I warned him a long time ago if he continued down the path he was going that he would die a very lonely man with no family.

I would send the letter but leave the name calling out of it. I would also encourage him to get help with his mental illness and his alcoholism.


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Don’t waste a bunch of words trying to convince people.

There is an old saying, “For those that believe proof is not necessary, for those that don’t, proof is impossible”

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Fellers, I appreciate all the replies. All have merit except Northman's (obviously) and 'flave's, who suggested I bang my brother's wife. I wouldn't touch my brother's ex-wife w/ a 10' pole - she's a rabid, morbidly obese, raving lunatic and a die hard Leftist. When he was still married, I always thought of my brother and his wife as Jack Sprat and his gelatinous betrothed. I swear, the last time I was in Dallas and my daughter and I went to pick up my nephew, I heard tuba music as she walked him out to us. It's been suggested that the tuba music I heard was just in my mind, but I don't think so.

Y'all have definitely made some poignant comments and though I am still vacillating on whether or not to send the letter, I will take your comments under advisement. I will rewrite and, perhaps, complete the letter. I will sit on it for a while and then make my decision - perhaps after the election. I am well aware that this letter will very likely accomplish nothing, and I'm also keenly aware that sending it may cause a rift between my brother and I, but as I stated, he crossed the line this time and as many have stated in this thread, we, as Americans, have sat idly by while this cancer that is Marxism metastases throughout every aspect of American life for far too long.

McCarthy had it right.

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First every country makes mistakes. The USA and Trump have made huge mistakes on handling COVID-19.

AS has Sweden, my fathers side all come from Sweden so I watch there health care system carefully.

Well they went along with limited heard immunity, the limited part is that they had to wear masks in all

Transportation vehicles, Trains, Subways, busses and Planes. The death is three times the countries around them.

Donald Trump wants to do that here, at the advice of a Radiologist, Dr Atlas who has never dealt with COVID-19.

Back to Sweden I know a business person here, who flys to Sweden to get all his medical treatment, and he has a pretty serious condition.

He say there medical system is much better than ours. so we can learn from other countries, and throw out the parts we do not like, like Heard immunity.

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Don’t send a letter friend, send a card with three lines of choice, its wasted otherwise.

I have seen more letters bite someone in the ass than you can imagine. It is almost always used to gain allies and show how hostile you are.

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Originally Posted by Northman
Countries with Anti-Capitalist and Communist manifestos..
There are more parties on a wider spectrum then US Left - Right, so people actually get to choose based on prefrences, in this case Communism, instead of the Failed US two party system.

Country   -   Lower / Upper house Delegates  -   Percentage
Belgium   -   12/150 - 5/60   -   8% - 8%
Czech Rep   -   15/200.  -   7.5%
Denmark   -   28/179.  -   15.6%
Finland.  -   16/200.  -   8%
France   -   39/577 - 14/348.  -   6.7% - 4%
Germany.  -   69/709 - 5/69   -   9.7% - 7.2%
Greece   -   101/300.  -   33.6%
Iceland.  -   11/63.  -   17.4%
Ireland.  -   5/158.  -   3.1%
Italy.  -   3/630 - 1/315.  -   0.4% - 0.3%
Japan.  -   12/465 - 13/242.  -   2.5% - 5.35
Luxbourg   -  2/60.  -   3.3%
Mexico.  -   61/500 - 7/128.  -   12.2% - 5.4%
Norway   -   12/169.  -   7.1%
Russia.  -   42/450 - 2/170   -   9.3% - 1.1%
Spain.  -   73/350 - 19/266.  -   20.8% - 7.1%
Sweden.  -   28/349.  -   8%
Swiss   -   2/200.  -   1%
US.  -   2/435.  -   0.4%


Strange isn't it.. these countries, there are FAR FAR more actual voting communists and anti-capitalists then in the US system...
Yet, you constantly yammer about anybody not voting Republicans as communists.. you call your family members communists, co-workers, neighbors...
You actually hate 50% of the country and claim them to be communists/marxists/nazis.... When FAR more liberal 1st world countries have nowhere near 50% Communists... and people actually get to vote for them!!!


Strange..

Maybe its you..


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So, why do you stay in this country?

And, why do you continue to post here?

We're obviously all nazis to you.


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Furthermore, letters are good therapy. Write it, put it in a drawer...Send a card !

God has handed these folk over to delusion as Written. Likely your letter won’t be that “Significant Event” to cause change. I think thats Maslow’s theory but can’t remember.

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Originally Posted by renegade50
Your brother is gone.
Stop burning brain cells about him.
You can do no more.....
It is a waste of your time, effort, and concern to try anything ever again.
Forget about him.
You will be relieved of the Yoke on your shoulders tied to him in your mind.
The sooner you do so, the sooner he will not occupy much thought in your mind.

It is what it is.
You just need to stop trying to influence what you cant influence anymore......


100%.
The letter will do nothing but continue the 'conversation'.

I have an older sister who is like this. It's a sincerely deep disappointment to me.
Leftists don't reason.

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Originally Posted by GunTruck50
First every country makes mistakes. The USA and Trump have made huge mistakes on handling COVID-19.


Yeah he should have handled it like Cuomo did in NY, right?

Put all the Covid folks in with old people in the rest homes... And watch the death toll skyrocket.


Dumbass.


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Fellers, I appreciate all the replies. All have merit except Northman's (obviously) and 'flave's, who suggested I bang my brother's wife. I wouldn't touch my brother's ex-wife w/ a 10' pole - she's a rabid, morbidly obese, raving lunatic and a die hard Leftist. When he was still married, I always thought of my brother and his wife as Jack Sprat and his gelatinous betrothed. I swear, the last time I was in Dallas and my daughter and I went to pick up my nephew, I heard tuba music as she walked him out to us. It's been suggested that the tuba music I heard was just in my mind, but I don't think so.

Y'all have definitely made some poignant comments and though I am still vacillating on whether or not to send the letter, I will take your comments under advisement. I will rewrite and, perhaps, complete the letter. I will sit on it for a while and then make my decision - perhaps after the election. I am well aware that this letter will very likely accomplish nothing, and I'm also keenly aware that sending it may cause a rift between my brother and I, but as I stated, he crossed the line this time and as many have stated in this thread, we, as Americans, have sat idly by while this cancer that is Marxism metastases throughout every aspect of American life for far too long.

McCarthy had it right.

Sic Semper Tyrannis



Even if you don't send the letter, writing that all down does YOU some good.

Even if you throw it in the trash.

I doubt he'd seriously read it anyway.


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Writing and sending that letter is asking for a response. It is pretty obvious that your brother will not change. Do you really want a response, to dig the hole deeper and cause yourself more stress?

When my Dad was terminally ill with cancer I had a sister who was never nice and was always looking for money from the family, that went completely bad. She physically attacked another sister, threatened my Mom physically, hired lawyers to go after my Mom for money she thought should come to her, called social services to take away our kids, called my work saying I beat up women, called internal affairs on police officers who refused to place charges against the family based on her false statements. She is black to me and I have no interest in anything that happens to her. It has been that way for over 20 years for me, the family and our kids. Sometimes you just have to turn it off. You can pick your friends but unfortunately at times you cannot pick your family.

Walk away.



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