Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles There is nothing greater than the 30-06 so quit trying

You want to throw in the electronic primers as a side note.

Oh, I didn’t see the 260 mentioned.

Damn, how did I forget that?

41 Remington mag

You forgot the .375 RUM.

I was not aware they made that . Thanks

I have a Rem M 700 .375 RUM.

I'm not trying to argue, but the parent case of the 357 magnum would be the 38 special, would it not?

Every attempt to replace the 30/06 is simply an attempt to shoe-horn it into a different platform.

.460 Wby on the left,.375 H&H center,.375 RUM on the right.


The rifle...

It's just a 30/06 made for a barrel with bigger holes in it.

It's a .30/06 on steroids!

That is a VALID point on that cartridge.

ATST... I've searched many references and NONE mentioned the 8X57 'case' as the parent case.

Check, 8X57 vs 30-06, 30-06 origin and anything you can find.... I'll gladly read.

The 8mm BULLETs were pointed and LED to pointed 30 cal bullets.
The 30-03 was developed to REPLACE the 30-40 Krag.
The 30-06 was REdesigned FOR 150 gr bullets.

That 'summarizes' my research.

TRUTH ! I have NOT read ONE reference (authority) that links the 30-06 case to the 8X57 case.

I'm STILL looking. I'm NOT arguing either. Looking for FACTS.


Jerry

Well, the fact is it has the same rim and head diameter as the 8x57, and virtually same diameter behind the shoulder making the body sizes close enough to not matter. Seems rather suspicious to me who copied who. I've heard that the Ordnance dept. set a specific velocity goal and the x57 case was lengthened until that goal was reached with the powders the gov't was working with in those days. Don't know for a fact but it sounds plausible to me. Those cats back at the turn of the last century were doing some crazy stuff.

gnoahh

Yes I understand what you are saying AND
maybe they didnt want to reveal what they were doing ? ?

BUT I’ve really looked a lot of places and ‘so far’ I have not found 1 source
that said or showed the 8x57 case’s relativity to the 06.

30-40 K, > 30-03 > 30-06 is substituted.

I really am looking for an authoritative source to verify what some folks
are saying.

Without a reliable source the claim is
Poppycock...to me.

Thanks for your ideas.

Jerry

I did an experiment a few years back comparing the .308 Win. with the 30-06. The ammo used for both cartridges was what I had on hand, Winchester brand and both cartridges load with the factory 180 gr. Power Point round nose.

With rifle with 22" barrel there was little difference in velocity, both running 2600 FPS and change. The change being about 40 FPS in favor of the 06. I don't have .308 rifle with longer barrels but did have rifles in 30-06 with 24 and 26" barrels. The only rifle that came even close to advertised 2700 FPS was the Ruger #1B with 6" barrel. I can beat that with h4350 in just about any 06 I own with a 22" barrel.

This made me a bit curious and I've tried to locate some 30-06 factory ammo with the 220 gr. bullet. Did that load actually do the advertised 2400 FPS or was it 100 FPS slower like with the 180 gr. like I found in the test.

Winchester at one point did show a velocity of 2295 FPS in an earlier load pamphlet using W760 for a pressure of 46,900 C.U.P. I easily worked up to 2320 FPS with absolutely no pressure signs and extremely fine accuracy. The best group was .375" and the worst .75" using the 220 gr. Sierra round nose bullet. I don't doubt that I could probably pick up another 200 FPS with that bullet in the 30-06 with careful reloading and some of the newer powders.

This leads to the question, "Has the 30-06 been downloaded somewhat to favor the .308 or has it always been loaded to that lever and velocity measured with 26" barrels?"
Paul B.

THATs why some ‘think’ the 308 is so good.

However—- try handloading BOTH to their potiential.....

There is no replacement for Displacement.

15 gallon does not equal 20 gallon.

Jerry

Here is a link which shows some history
http://www.asymco.com/2010/03/11/the-tale-of-the-spitzer-bullet-patent-lawsuit/

We copied the Mauser rifle and it’s cartridge so closely that we lost a court case and were ordered to pay royalties to the Mauser company. Same rim, same case head diameter, same body taper, and same neck angle. We weren’t into metrics, so it was in .30 caliber instead of 7 or 8 mm. We lengthened it a bit, probably to try to get a few differences so we could try to avoid some of those royalties instead of for any performance gain. Or, maybe it took a little more length to get 7.92x57 velocities with a slightly smaller in diameter bullet of nearly equivalent weight. In any case, the performance was an almost identical match for the 7.92x57 in a cartridge that was obviously developed from it. When the Germans changed to a 153 grain spitzer in 1903 increasing the velocity of their cartridge to about 2,700 feet per second, we followed suit a few years later and the 30-06 was born with almost identical numbers once again.

barm




Thanks, I'll get to it tonight. Got to go for a while.

Jerry

Probably...

Or Maybe...

Source.


Jerry