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Don't know if anybody has mentioned it, but Henry is chambering their single shot in .350 Legend. I'm lukewarm on the cartridge, but being a .35 nut in general, I figured I'd end up with something in it if anybody ever chambered it in anything other than the cheap disposable tupperware rifles. Ideally, I'd like a CZ 527 Carbine in it, but don't expect that to happen. The Henrys generally have pretty nice wood on them and I like single shots, so may pick one up when they come available.

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I'm interested in a Henry Single Shot as well so this is good news. Any idea when they might become available?


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I'd rather have the 357 magnum. Mike Belm is doing a 357 Rem Max rechamber on them. Gives you the option of 38 Special, 357 Magnum, and 357 Remington Maximum. If I didn't already have 357 mag and 357 max single shots that would be my choice. I'll concede for a non-reloader the 350 is a good choice too.

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If it was a real 35 I would be all over this cartridge in something. The CZ 527 or the Howa mini were my first thoughts. Once the details came out decided it was not for me.

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I keep missing out on affordable Ruger No.1 rifles in 357, and not sure I could ream one to Maximum if I did acquire one.
I DID grab a Henry single shot in 357 Magnum and I might have it reamed to Maximum with no risk of ‘regret’. I have at least a couple hundred Maximum brass a retiring silhouette shooter sold, so I have about everything I need.
I also have a weird desire for a 357 B&D,.... and have an RCBS 357 B&D case forming die that turned up in a box of ‘used stuff’ in a LGS...I may have too many toys... lol 🙄

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Realize the 350 Legend was built with a purpose of meeting State requirements, Not the fastest, highest BC, SD, or anything, I t was designed to allow hunters to use a modern rifle in states that restricted cartridges and cases.
It's not a 35 Remington or a 358 Winchester, because it was never designed to be. Plus, it'll work in multiple platforms, for the crowd that hunts with ARs.


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Originally Posted by Alaninga

I also have a weird desire for a 357 B&D,.... and have an RCBS 357 B&D case forming die that turned up in a box of ‘used stuff’ in a LGS...I may have too many toys... lol 🙄



I get it. I had a custom Contender Carbine barrel made in .357 Herrett year before last. No good reason other than I wanted it.

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Originally Posted by SCGunNut
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I also have a weird desire for a 357 B&D,.... and have an RCBS 357 B&D case forming die that turned up in a box of ‘used stuff’ in a LGS...I may have too many toys... lol 🙄



I get it. I had a custom Contender Carbine barrel made in .357 Herrett year before last. No good reason other than I wanted it.


I had a super 14 in 357 Herrett. Now your post has me thinking a Herrett or even a 35/30.... 🤔😊

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I also have a weird desire for a 357 B&D,.... and have an RCBS 357 B&D case forming die that turned up in a box of ‘used stuff’ in a LGS...I may have too many toys... lol 🙄



I get it. I had a custom Contender Carbine barrel made in .357 Herrett year before last. No good reason other than I wanted it.


I had a super 14 in 357 Herrett. Now your post has me thinking a Herrett or even a 35/30.... 🤔😊



Food for thought...


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Originally Posted by 4570fan
I'd rather have the 357 magnum. Mike Belm is doing a 357 Rem Max rechamber on them. Gives you the option of 38 Special, 357 Magnum, and 357 Remington Maximum. If I didn't already have 357 mag and 357 max single shots that would be my choice. I'll concede for a non-reloader the 350 is a good choice too.


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The .350 is easier to buy loaded, harder to reload.
Plus people love repeaters more than single shots. That's why the .350 will continue to sell.

So far I haven't heard reports of good accuracy however. The .450 seems to have a leg up in that department.


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Alaninga said,

[quote] I also have a weird desire for a 357 B&D,.... and have an RCBS 357 B&D case forming die that turned up in a box of ‘used stuff’ in a LGS...I may have too many toys... lol [quote]

I picked up a 357 Mag Henry and quickly reamed it to Maxi. It is very accurate and a pleasure to shoot it really likes cast 180 gr bullets. I am looking to pick up another one and ream it to 357 x 44 B&D. I recently sold a Marlin 94 that I had rechambered to the B&D round as well as a Tender rifle barrel and a Ruger 44 mag rifle I had rebarrelled with a Douglas XX barrel to the B&D, also a Blackhawk chambered in B&D, yeah I kinda like the Maxi and B&D rounds

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Tempted by the Legend a few weeks ago when the local shop had one, but the more i looked at it, and did some poking around, I dont think it will be a long term round. It will be a handloader round for sure at some point, but as a factory chambering I think it will fade.

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Wow se3388! Some just talk, and a few DO!
If I do anything to this 357 Mag I think it would be ream it a bit to MAXimum. Having a few hundred Maximum brass seems to point me in that direction! A buddy called me from a yard sale where a sillouette shooter was getting rid of stuff. Most are new or once fired an none fired over 2x. I acquired it for next to nothing and it’s been sitting in a box for a few years. Actually it came with four boxes of new Remington ammo. A friend has 4 NIB Ruger Maximum Blackhawks, and bought the 4 boxes of ammo for what I paid for the whole lot of brass and ammo!
If the price of suppressors woul ever come down I thread it and shoot 38Spl out of it mostly.
Sounds like you’ve had fun with 35’s!

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Originally Posted by 4570fan
I'd rather have the 357 magnum. Mike Belm is doing a 357 Rem Max rechamber on them. Gives you the option of 38 Special, 357 Magnum, and 357 Remington Maximum. If I didn't already have 357 mag and 357 max single shots that would be my choice. I'll concede for a non-reloader the 350 is a good choice too.

Couldn’t agree more. .357 max would be a great single shot. Very versatile and you could even use .38 shot shells.


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I have a .350 Legend in an AR, and it's a neat rifle - but in a single shot I'd go .35 Remington, all day every day - at least for a medium capacity, .35 caliber cartridge.


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Another vote for .357 Maximum. Lots of good .357 bullets out there, not so many 9mm (.355) hunting bullets.

Winchester's choice to use 9mm bullets in the .350 Legend was an economic decision, so they could use the 9mm presses to make the Legend bullets.

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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
I have a .350 Legend in an AR, and it's a neat rifle - but in a single shot I'd go .35 Remington, all day every day - at least for a medium capacity, .35 caliber cartridge.


Regrettably, it won’t satisfy the regs in some places, which are based on fear and loathing rather than science and ballistics. I’m thinking a .38/55 would be the beans, but again you gotta play the game. No flies on a .444 either, and that one seems to make the cut everywhere I’ve checked.

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I have a .350 Legend in an AR, and it's a neat rifle - but in a single shot I'd go .35 Remington, all day every day - at least for a medium capacity, .35 caliber cartridge.


Regrettably, it won’t satisfy the regs in some places, which are based on fear and loathing rather than science and ballistics. I’m thinking a .38/55 would be the beans, but again you gotta play the game. No flies on a .444 either, and that one seems to make the cut everywhere I’ve checked.

Good to see you back. You’ve been pretty scarce lately.


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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
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I have a .350 Legend in an AR, and it's a neat rifle - but in a single shot I'd go .35 Remington, all day every day - at least for a medium capacity, .35 caliber cartridge.


Regrettably, it won’t satisfy the regs in some places, which are based on fear and loathing rather than science and ballistics. I’m thinking a .38/55 would be the beans, but again you gotta play the game. No flies on a .444 either, and that one seems to make the cut everywhere I’ve checked.

Good to see you back. You’ve been pretty scarce lately.


Thanks, yeah, trying to drop in more often.


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Looks like Henry is bringing out the 350 Legend and the 450 earsplittenloudenboomer.

https://www.henryusa.com/firearm-category/new-models/

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Don’t understand why most of the .450s are wearing 16” barrels. A 20 or 22” with a decent contour would make the brakes unnecessary. Saw one special edition RAR with a 22”.


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The 450 has a 22'' bbl.

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

Sorry Pappy. I didn't read your post correctly. You said "most" and I didn't see that.

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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
The 450 has a 22'' bbl.

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

Sorry Pappy. I didn't read your post correctly. You said "most" and I didn't see that.


Didn’t see that .450 in your other post. That’s more better for big Midwestern deer. At that price, it wouldn’t break the bank for an occasional foray to OH or IA, and ain’t as oogly as some of the other ones. A SS should offer some interesting handloading options too with all the .451-.452 bullets out there. From what I’ve seen online, the .45/70 version is pretty sporty on the back end, and I’m getting soft in my “extended middle age”.

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I would likely stay away from the 45-70 in a light rifle like the Henry. I suspect the 450 Bushmaster will be sporty enough for me. I prefer to stay away from heavy recoiling rifles, if possible.


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Originally Posted by mag410
Another vote for .357 Maximum. Lots of good .357 bullets out there, not so many 9mm (.355) hunting bullets.

Winchester's choice to use 9mm bullets in the .350 Legend was an economic decision, so they could use the 9mm presses to make the Legend bullets.


WOW! I had to login and speak up on this. Crazy talk. The quote story about winchester needing to use 9mm dies, when they make 357 revolver bullets, baloney!

The 350 Legend uses .357 bullets, exactly the same diameter as 357 mag and 357 max. That is 9.1mm in metric units.

It might have been nice if i were 358 and then it could be remad out to some better 35 caliber rifle rounds. Not a big deal. Just saying that is how I would have gone




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Factory 350 Legend ammo is .355" in diameter.


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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Factory 350 Legend ammo is .355" in diameter.


Hmmm. I looked up SAAMI spec before posting and it stated 0357. Re reading the tolerance is actually 0354min 0.357max. I know I could never be wrong, I check a couple vendors websites and Hornady does publish the bullet diameter at 0.355. What the heck!

Damn, I hate being wrong! Well, at least I could enjoy Pappy's avatar.

And the heck with the 350 Legend. A legend in Winchesters mind.

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Factory 350 Legend ammo is .355" in diameter.


Hmmm. I looked up SAAMI spec before posting and it stated 0357. Re reading the tolerance is actually 0354min 0.357max. I know I could never be wrong, I check a couple vendors websites and Hornady does publish the bullet diameter at 0.355. What the heck!

Damn, I hate being wrong! Well, at least I could enjoy Pappy's avatar.

And the heck with the 350 Legend. A legend in Winchesters mind.

Don't worry about that. I was unsure of the diameter until about 3 weeks ago.


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But can you sling 357 bullets down it? Everything 'reads' 357, regardless of what factory ammo is.

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I was to embarrassed to ask and opted to search out some reviews. The whole situation seems to be a steaming pile of dung. It seems, and here, I am only going by what I read yesterday, some combinations of guns and factory ammo are inaccurate. That is beyond the normal range of a gun having certain likes and dislikes. There was one very accurate rifle reviewed, which used undersized bore. By definition a bore of 356 or 0.3555 would be unsafe with 357 jacketed bullets at rifle pressures..

Here is the stink. A company like Ruger is legal and morally bound to rifle a barrel no smaller than 357. The SAAMI spec is the bore cannot be under 357. It could be 0.3575 for instance. And that is probably typical.

Hornady has decided to make (and spec) bullets at 355. I assume this is to work with the undersized barrels. That 355 is a max so actual Hornady bullets might be 0.3545 or a little less but never over 355. Winchester/Olin is not so good and bullets measure down to 0.353. Never over 0.355.

This is the single shot forum and we can load any bullet that fits. If you have a Henry, you need to do a chamber cast and determine what fits that gun. Does Henry provide an undersized bore that works with factory ammo, or a legal bore that meets SAAMI? If the bore is tight, then expect a tight chamber. That could be very dangerous if the neck of the ammo cannot release the bullet!! Now, what are the reloading die makers supposed to do? What is PPU and CZ expected to make of this luney tunes?

This is my take on things. As you can see, I could be wrong. It stinks, real bad. Now it is too late to make it right.

The irony .355 is not even legal in some special zones! Again, my reading. I am not in any zone.

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Early on, I read that .355 was picked for manufacturing reasons. Don’t know for certain, but I doubt that reloading convenience was a consideration when they dreamed this up. Most likely it’s primary market isn’t rifle cranks, but rather deer hunters. Handloaders will be better served with a Max, IMO, but the path to one of those is a bit more troublesome.

IF I wanted one, I’d find out what the barrel on rifle I wanted was actually bored, and act accordingly.


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The 450 has a 22'' bbl.

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

Sorry Pappy. I didn't read your post correctly. You said "most" and I didn't see that.


Didn’t see that .450 in your other post. That’s more better for big Midwestern deer. At that price, it wouldn’t break the bank for an occasional foray to OH or IA, and ain’t as oogly as some of the other ones. A SS should offer some interesting handloading options too with all the .451-.452 bullets out there. From what I’ve seen online, the .45/70 version is pretty sporty on the back end, and I’m getting soft in my “extended middle age”.

My cousin used a borrowed RAR in OH to slay a humdinger out of a ground blind. 12 yards! Kaboom Flop.

I wouldn't worry about the cost of the rifle, deer tag in Iowa by itself is $644.

The 350 legend is legal in Iowa and Ohio.


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