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Just one in a LONG list of DENYERS of God's Word.
Rom 3:.. What if some do not believe, does that make the faith of God vain?
God forbid. Let God be true but every man a LIAR.
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All sins are equivalent ’in the sense’ that they ALL separate us from God. ’That’ is the point that has been made. They all separate you from God equally? They don’t separate us from God’s love at all. NOTHING can do that to a believer. But it does affect our relationship with our Creator...the separation is relationally...for a believer. I don’t know if there are degrees to that separation.
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There are no levels of sin. Then why is there a sin that can't be forgiven? What sin is that? sin against the Holy Spirit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Mt 12:31: Therefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Like saying G-dam or G-dammit or cursing at God when you're angry/sad/upset?? NO that is NOT the unpardonable sin! What you are talking about is called taking the name of the Lord in vain. If you are already a Christian, ask the Lord to forgive you for it, receive your forgiveness and quit doing it! If you do it again, repeat the process. If you are not a believer that is what is going to make you "screwed" when it comes to going to heaven. Most people think that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. That is what religions teaches. The Gospel teaches that forgiven people go to heaven and unforgiven people go to hell. You get forgiven by asking Jesus to forgive you and accepting his death on the cross as having paid the penalty for your sins. You stay unforgiven by NOT accepting what Jesus did on the cross and NOT believing his testimony that he is the Son of God. There is your real unpardonable sin. I try to avoid these kind of discussion in this secular format. But seeing the way your question was left hanging I had to say something. Shoot me a PM if you need to.
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He endorses same sex unions and wants a civil union law so that they are legally covered.
Didn’t go so far as to endorse same sex marriages via the RC church and didn’t mention anything about male priests unions or female nun unions.
As Archie Bunker would say, “You Catholics think that guy is inflammable”. I'm not Catholic but was shocked when I first saw this because I thought he was condoning same-sex marriages which would go against Catholic belief. After taking a look at it, I think it's a great idea and what should've been done a LONG time ago. If somebody wants to have a legal partner in their life so they can can be covered by family insurance or help make those tough decisions after a life-threatening incident or pass along their inheritance after they pass, they should be able to do so regardless of sexual preference. I also think this helps separate that need/issue from the desire to be "married" which is an institution that I feel should be left to those in the church. Opinions do vary but The Bible is clear on the matter. Of course nowadays what does Scripture have at all to do with the Universal Church, one could reasonably ask ? I'm no authority on the Bible. What does scripture say about a legal civil union? Yer fuggked.
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We’ve been hoodwinked by the humanist culture for sixty years that separation means taking prayer and scripture out of public education, the Ten Commandments off of court house walls, and crosses that are landmarks down; no praying in the public square, or at sporting events, and so forth. On a side note, maybe a tangent even... We often hear of the political controversies about the public displays of the Ten Commandments, especially in government buildings. What do you think about public displays, especially in government buildings...instead of the Ten Commandments...of the Sermon on the Mount, or the One Commandment - “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” - John 13:34.....?
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Catholics are Christians.
Catholic Catechism explicitly states that there is no sin, no matter how serious, that cannot be forgiven, .. for to suggest otherwise challenges God’s omnipotence. Yet many who identify as christian would disagree re: blasphem of the holy spirit... What does a 'real' Christian believe?
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Does anyone really care what the pope says? He is human like the rest of us. The current one seems to be a liberal douche bag. The next one may not be. Doesnt change whats right and wrong. Just humans making dumb political statements. Screw the current one
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There are no levels of sin. Then why is there a sin that can't be forgiven? What sin is that? sin against the Holy Spirit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Mt 12:31: Therefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Like saying G-dam or G-dammit or cursing at God when you're angry/sad/upset?? NO that is NOT the unpardonable sin! What you are talking about is called taking the name of the Lord in vain. If you are already a Christian, ask the Lord to forgive you for it, receive your forgiveness and quit doing it! If you do it again, repeat the process. If you are not a believer that is what is going to make you "screwed" when it comes to going to heaven. Most people think that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. That is what religions teaches. The Gospel teaches that forgiven people go to heaven and unforgiven people go to hell. You get forgiven by asking Jesus to forgive you and accepting his death on the cross as having paid the penalty for your sins. You stay unforgiven by NOT accepting what Jesus did on the cross and NOT believing his testimony that he is the Son of God. There is your real unpardonable sin. I try to avoid these kind of discussion in this secular format. But seeing the way your question was left hanging I had to say something. Shoot me a PM if you need to. That's not the unforgivable sin as defined in Mark 3. Jesus had cast out some demons and the pharisees said he did it using Satan's power. Jesus refuted that and said that their sin of calling the Holy Spirit evil would not be forgiven. He finishes off with this: Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." 30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."That's completely different than dying without salvation.
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I'll just take that as a yes. So, if that's the case, am I screwed when it comes to going to heaven? If I may... To me...Nope. Not at all. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is only committed when a person believes Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil He performed His miracles. If you haven’t believed that, and said such, you have ‘not’ committed unforgivable sin...and you’re not screwed when it comes to going to Heaven. Just look at Mark 3:22-30: And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.” Those guys committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when they believed and said Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil he drove out demons. That is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. The only ones Jesus ever said committed unforgivable sin were the ones saying Jesus had an evil spirit and by the power of the devil He was driving out demons. Thank you Antlers.
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Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!
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There are no levels of sin. Then why is there a sin that can't be forgiven? What sin is that? sin against the Holy Spirit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Mt 12:31: Therefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Like saying G-dam or G-dammit or cursing at God when you're angry/sad/upset?? NO that is NOT the unpardonable sin! What you are talking about is called taking the name of the Lord in vain. If you are already a Christian, ask the Lord to forgive you for it, receive your forgiveness and quit doing it! If you do it again, repeat the process. If you are not a believer that is what is going to make you "screwed" when it comes to going to heaven. Most people think that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. That is what religions teaches. The Gospel teaches that forgiven people go to heaven and unforgiven people go to hell. You get forgiven by asking Jesus to forgive you and accepting his death on the cross as having paid the penalty for your sins. You stay unforgiven by NOT accepting what Jesus did on the cross and NOT believing his testimony that he is the Son of God. There is your real unpardonable sin. I try to avoid these kind of discussion in this secular format. But seeing the way your question was left hanging I had to say something. Shoot me a PM if you need to. That's not the unforgivable sin as defined in Mark 3. Jesus had cast out some demons and the pharisees said he did it using Satan's power. Jesus refuted that and said that their sin of calling the Holy Spirit evil would not be forgiven. He finishes off with this: Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." 30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."That's completely different than dying without salvation. Thank you as well Rock Chuck. I've read a lot of the bible and it has some incredible wisdom but some of it sounds pretty outlandish to me so I always appreciate when someone can translate what I think it says to what it actually says.
Biden's most truthful quote ever came during his first press conference, 03/25/21.
Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!
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RJY66,
I’ve seen you post this before; I saved it. Good stuff:
“Good people don't go to heaven and bad people don't go to hell. Forgiven people go to heaven. Unforgiven people go to hell.”
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The Old Testament.. The Law.. was specific about homosexuality. The Old Testament.. The Law.. was also specific about adultery, a woman not being a virgin on the night of her wedding, taking God’s name in vain, and rebelling against one’s parents...ALL of which required violators to be put to death. You need to read this. https://media.ascensionpress.com/20...tween-ceremonial-judicial-and-moral-law/The Old Testament (referred to by jwall) says what it says. Are you denying that...? Specifically, are you denying that adultery, a woman not being a virgin on the night of her wedding, taking God’s name in vain, and rebelling against one’s parents are NOT punishable by death as the Old Testament says they are...just as it says that homosexuality is punishable by death...? I'm denying that you have any understanding of the Bible beyond the level of a 10 year old.
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Since all sin is equivalent, all laws should have the same penalty, 5 Hail Mary's, a 25 dollar fine, followed by death by stoning. All sins are equivalent ’in the sense’ that they ALL separate us from God. ’That’ is the point that has been made. But then you go on to extrapolate from there. You read into what isn't there. You are simply disingenuous. You purposely ignore the degree of separation just to be argumentative.
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He’s an Obama plant.
Hope the COVID finds him.
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All sins are equivalent ’in the sense’ that they ALL separate us from God. ’That’ is the point that has been made. They all separate you from God equally? They don’t separate us from God’s love at all. NOTHING can do that to a believer. But it does affect our relationship with our Creator...the separation is relationally...for a believer. I don’t know if there are degrees to that separation. If you don't know that then, apparently, you either don't believe in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ or you don't understand relationships.
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I'm denying that you have any understanding of the Bible beyond the level of a 10 year old. lol It’s OK with me for you to believe whatever you choose.
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Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you?
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Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you? I did. And NOTHING in that article negated what I said, which prompted your response with the article reference in the first place.
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Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you? I did. And NOTHING in that article negated what I said, which prompted your response with the article reference in the first place. Does Jesus approve of mysteriously withdrawing sales of glossy SS Single Sixes ?
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