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That would seem to be COVID related. It wasn't that long ago that I was in the exact situation, needing screws for Signature rings. They sent them right out. I recall more recently somebody at Burris saying they were on reduced hours.

It does suck, and I hope it's temporary.

Paul

Same here. Couldn’t believe how quickly the screw I needed came, free of course, with just a phone call.

I guess that is the root cause, right there.

Likely. A majority of the shooters I see at our local range are paper punchers with target outfits. All well and good, but my only use for target shooting is to practice for hunting. There used to be this Jabba the Hut character that haunted the range incessantly blasting at 300 yard targets with a braked 30-378. Just an annoying situation under a shed roof. I haven’t seen him in a while but owing to his gross tonnage, he’s probably unable to walk from the parking lot. Before I took up sitting at a bench all day, I’d pick a pastime that afforded a bit of exercise.....

A Swiss cheese braked 30-378 was the most obnoxious rifle I've shared the range with. In comparison a shark gill braked 338 Lapua was a pussycat.

Interesting - Zero in Meters.

The voice of reason. Thanks MD

Hate ‘em. Why anyone goes that big for relatively short-range targets baffles me. Fortunately, the last guy that showed up with one around me warned me so I could double up on my ear protection.

With that 30-378 I had plugs and muffs. My eardrums were relatively safe, but the blast and pressure wave coming off that thing caused sinus discomfort and sort of slapped my face.

Yup. Feels like someone thumping me in the chest.

About the only thing I wish was more common is hash marks for windage as I find them at least as useful as the ones for elevation.
Pavementends

Most of my guns have dialing scopes and are in mils so my range finder stays on meters

C4 wind MOA reticle:

WTF is Potsy?

This is a great hunting reticle.

I guess that's Potsy, ^^^

As far as Ebay used scopes, I shouldn't have made such a broad statement, I was just bidding on a K-4 Weaver that was up to 90 bucks, 15 bids and 2 1/2 days to go. My frugality is legendary, so I'm not the best guy to arbitrate the market. But I still thought it was high, maybe not.

WTF is wrong with burris. the rifle scope industry is going through some sort of soul searching right now. If you notice the retail stores keep condensing product lines. They keep drawing in the amount of space they are letting optics take up at the gun counters. I also admit burris doesn't have anything I am interested in but that is just me. IMO I don't trust phillipene manufacturer yet. I do think the burris FF2"s are great for what they are, but that is a plain and simple scope. If I want a scope like that I am going to buy it on ebay its going to be a bushnell elite.

maybe the market is just saturated, look at the bolt action hunting rifle market. Remington is going away. the rest of the makes are pretty much only pushing low end guns like the ruger american etc. can you even get an m77 anymore? I dunno. Maybe just like myself you can find plenty of older used hunting rifles and at the same time optics to go on them. The optics that are selling new are stuff marketed for different uses, ie tactical and long range. I also think people are shopping more and more online for their optics. I know I do. you're not going to see me plunk down my money in a retail store. The last scope I bought in a store was a nightforce NXS, but it was only bought that way because of whatever cabelas was offering and other coupons I had with me, I was able to get about $300 off retail. I also needed a scope quickly because the phillipene made vortex PST2 had tracking error and so did the replacement I bought for it. so I needed and NXS quickly. even $300 off wouldn't have gotten me to buy it locally if I didn't need it quickly.

even mule deer's comments suggest he is a trader of used optics. and that is plenty ok, I buy a ton of used scopes myself. The only thing I am buying new is zeiss v4's because they offer better glass, reliable adjustments (so far) and they are japanese built AND come with features I like.

CC,

I am buying Zeiss V4's myself, but if you "I don't trust phillipene manufacturer yet" you might (or might not) be interested in what I just noted about Burris in my earlier post. They did not just go over and ask Philippine company to make scopes. Instead Burris provided the machinery, and taught them how to use it. This was at least a dozen years ago, and as soon as the Philippine scopes were available I got a 3-9x42 FFII and directly compared it to one of my American-made FFIIs. If anything, the overseas model was better machined, and worked exactly as well in every measureable way. Have been using them ever since, and only had one fail--which was the one I have used the most, on dozens of rifles over the years. (This was a year or so ago. Got it back fixed from Burris within two weeks.) Have had Zeiss Conquests fail sooner.

Have used FFIIS on rifles up to .300 Weatherby with no problems, and the optics might surprise you, since you've never apparently looked through one.

Yeah but the Burris ff2 isn’t a dialing scope. A set and forget optic is dramatically less demanding. I agree like i said they are great scopes for what they. My only gripe with the Burris ff2 is the finish is light and easily whole eye piece turns as well. I think I have one in inventory still. Zeiss conquests were generally meopta assembled.

If a v4 has failed I would be very interested about the situation. Japanese build.

More and more, we are seeing country of origin matter less and less, at least as far as quality goes IMO. It may take some time to get a workforce accustomed to modern quality control processes, procedures, and requirements but when properly implemented it works. It sure won't mask poor design, but that's another issue altogether.

The reason I brought this up is that I decided to try something other than Leupold a while back. I sold off a bunch of them and replaced them with Burris and Sightron.

I wasn't all that enamored of the Burris E1 reticle and I still am not. I did try some Fullfield IIs and they were generally okay, but I did not at all like the entire ocular rotating to change the zoom. I also had been having a bit of trouble getting parallax dialed out with the target in focus concurrently with my Fullfield II E1s (and I've concluded it's my degraded vision causing the problem).

In the meantime, I had found some Sightron SIIs in 3-9x42 flavor with a plain duplex reticle that's just right (IMO) for hunting. They feature Exac-Trac, which is a plus and while the glass itself does not quite measure up the the VX-3's glass it is still more than good enough. That led me to go a little further and try an S-TAC 4-20x with a duplex reticle, and have found that it is very compatible with my vision. I am acquiring more S-TACs (w/ duplex reticle) at this very moment, 3-16x and 4-20x flavors.

I think I'll hang on to the one Burris Fullfield E1 4.5-14x that's on my Model 52 repro and the VX-II 1-4x on my muzzleloader, and four VX-5s (the glass is just amazing and they've worked fine for me so far), but the rest will be Sightron...and these happen to have been made in the Philippines and there's not a damned thing wrong with them.