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Hmmm. Have you guys ever heard of college co-eds? Yeah, you wanna B the first ‘girl’ in ?   ROF Sometimes I crack myself up. LOL Man, when the door is opened....... !! Jerry
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My 06 Stainless Classic is itching to get out to Montana in just a few short weeks and put the hurtin on a big ol muley. Can’t wait! Good luck RB! Here’s my old SS M70 FWT 30-06 with a bull I shot 15 years ago here in MT: ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/tJV7KkJY/IM000612.jpg)
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Took ya long enuff !!  Jerry I am a slow learner
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Have come to appreciate the .30-06 more and more as I age.
There are cartridges that shoot fatter bullets, shoot faster, shoot flatter or whatever. But a good .30-06 is still hard to beat for an all-pupose rifle.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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Have come to appreciate the .30-06 more and more as I age.
There are cartridges that shoot fatter bullets, shoot faster, shoot flatter or whatever. But a good .30-06 is still hard to beat for an all-pupose rifle. I’m the opposite... I’ve come to appreciate the 270 and 308 more. In the field they do the same thing, but kick less. However, the 30-06 is indeed a fine cartridge.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Mr. Gnoahhh's sig line says it all.
""Not much you can't fix with $700 and a .30-06." Joe Ryba"
ATST -- I'm VERY glad WE are not limited to ONE rifle OR ONE cartridge.
There are several I like & use. Some I'll never have again.
Aren't we all in the same boat ?
Jerry
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280 should have settled the argument but Remington made sure to butcher it. They can fook up the promotion of a cartridge better than anybody. Its not nice to speak badly of a dead corporation 17rem 5mm Remington 222 rem 222 rem mag 6mm rem 6.5 rem mag 280 rem 7mm SAUM 300 SAUM 8mm Remington 350 Rem mag 7mm RUM 300 RUM 338RUM Did I miss any? All the ones that WERE successful, maybe?
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Mr Harry, in my experience, the 358 winchester will launch from a 20" barrel:
275 grain woodleigh @ 2200 fps
250 grain a-frame @ 2400 fps
225 grain partition @ 2500 fps
200 grain ttsx @ 2700fps
Alliant RL 10x used for all the above loads.
That is on par with the 30-06. Anyhow having put away thousands of lbs of moose n caribou meat with the 358, dont sweat the hypothetical ballistic bullsht. Get your a s s in gear and go buy one. You won't regret it. Hahaha. Just socking away the $ and waiting for the right rifle to appear. Not like there’s tons of them around. I missed out on one I could kick myself for. Another Will come. Nice, good luck. If prices are too steep, grab up any 243, 260, 7mm-08, or 308 and send to jes reboring. It'll come back to you a 358 win for about $250. http://www.35caliber.com/8.htmlYup. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...mber-montana-358-winchester#Post15300828I also have a Kimber Montana in .30-06 that shoots the 165 Accubond into bugholes over H4350. Ny, Nice little 358 carbine you've put together. I have found on my moose hunts, the 358 Winchester with 275 grain woodleigh, have anchored large bulls just as effectively as my 9.3x62 with 300 grainers. I've never field dressed or quartered a bull in a swamp or in the river. I aim for front quarter bones to brake out the front end. Propped that 358 rifle over my hunting pack with a 200 grain ttsx vs 200 grain accubond load in 30 mph winds. I found 400 yard hits were easy with both, but the longer ttsx bucked the wind better.
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30-06, 308, 7-08, 270, 280, and a bunch others.........
A 150 grain bullet out of any of them will all do pretty much the same thing at pretty near the same recoil levels. I’d be more into the platform than the chamber.
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30-06, 308, 7-08, 270, 280, and a bunch others.........
A 150 grain bullet out of any of them will all do pretty much the same thing at pretty near the same recoil levels. I’d be more into the platform than the chamber. Words of wisdom... Bob
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Mr. Gnoahhh's sig line says it all.
""Not much you can't fix with $700 and a .30-06." Joe Ryba"
ATST -- I'm VERY glad WE are not limited to ONE rifle OR ONE cartridge.
There are several I like & use. Some I'll never have again.
Aren't we all in the same boat ?
Jerry That is from a poem written by Jeff Cooper's daughter; Grandpa's Lesson
Pappy took to drinkin' back when I was barely three.
Ma got pretty quiet. She was frettin', you could see.
So I was sent to Grandpa and he raised me up real good.
He taught me what I oughta and he taught me what I should.
I learned a heap 'o lessons from the yarns he liked to tell.
There's one I won't forget because I learned it 'speshly well.
"There jist ain't many folk who live a peaceful, carefree life.
Along with all the good times there'll be lotsa grief and strife.
But ain't many troubles that a man cain't fix
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
Grandpa courted Grandma near the town of old Cheyenne.
Her daddy was cantankerous - a very greedy man.
He wouldn't give permission for a fancy wedding day
'Til grandpa paid a dowry--biggest ever people say.
Her daddy softened up when Grandpa said that he could fix
Him up with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six.
Grandpa herded cattle down around Jalisco way.
Ended up behind some iron bars one dusty day.
Seems the local jefe craved my Grandpa's pinto mare.
Grandpa wouldn't sell her so he lit on out of there.
Didn't take much doin' 'cept a couple special tricks
plus seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six.
Then there was that Faro game near San Francisco say.
Grandpa's cards was smokin' hot and he took all one day.
He woke up nearly naked in a ditch next early morn'.
With nothin' but his flannel shirt, and it was ripped and torn.
Those others were professionals and they don't play for kicks.
He lost seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six.
He begged some woolen trousers off the local storekeep there
Who loaned him both a pony and a rifle on a dare.
He caught those thievin' cardsharks at another Faro game.
He got back all his property and also his good name.
He left one bleedin' badly and another mostly lame.
My grandpa's trusty rifle shoots just where you choose to aim.
Grandpa's slowin' down a bit and just the other night
He handed me his rifle and a box sealed up real tight.
He fixed me with them pale grey eyes and this is what he said,
"You're awful young but steady too and I will soon be dead.
I'll bet this here old rifle and this honest money too
Will come in mighty handy just as readily for you.
There jist ain't many folk who lead a carefree, peaceful life.
Along with times of happiness, there's always woe and strife.
But ... aint many troubles that a man cain't fix
with seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six."
Lindy Cooper Wisdom
December, 1995
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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How bout that C H Never heard/read that.  Jerry
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Have come to appreciate the .30-06 more and more as I age.
There are cartridges that shoot fatter bullets, shoot faster, shoot flatter or whatever. But a good .30-06 is still hard to beat for an all-pupose rifle. I’m the opposite... I’ve come to appreciate the 270 and 308 more. In the field they do the same thing, but kick less. However, the 30-06 is indeed a fine cartridge. Agree with this, when comparing 308 Win and 30-06 in performance. With 180 gr loads the numbers in general typically indicate an increase of about 25% in powder for the 06 with an increase of about 4% in velocity for the 06. If that’s important to some that’s fine, certainly nothing to lose sleep over.
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How bout that C H Never heard/read that. Jerry Me neither! Guess I better change my sig line, and ask Joe if he knows.
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Soon as you hear people saying things like " essentially, nearly the same, just as good, not quite but a little less..." You know they are the kind you don't want to loan money to and they don't know what they are talking about.
You never hear a banker reply, "Thanks a lot, that is almost the whole payment. It is close enough." or hear people looking for a gun that goes off just like an '06 but only a little less.
It is or it is NOT. And the reality doesn't change because of funny stories or poetry.
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Jack R
You know what 2nd Place is......
the First L......
I have RUNG out the 06 and 308 and they are NOT that close. The heavier the bullet the more the 308 loses.
Yep, "almost as good as",.... "nearly the same",... "so close"........ YET SO FAR
As you said, it either IS or it is NOT.
Jerry
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breaking news . . .
jwall says the 30-06 is better than the _______ (fill in the blank with literally anything)
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breaking news . . .
jwall says the 30-06 is better than the _______ (fill in the blank with literally anything)
Show Me and Us the source of that Quote !!! Waiting. Jerry
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Mr. Gnoahhh's sig line says it all.
""Not much you can't fix with $700 and a .30-06." Joe Ryba"
ATST -- I'm VERY glad WE are not limited to ONE rifle OR ONE cartridge.
There are several I like & use. Some I'll never have again.
Aren't we all in the same boat ?
Here's a REAL quote. Not WHAT shinbone said. Jerry
jwall- *** 3100 guy***
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Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!
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