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I'm sure you believe yourself to be valuable.

Value to the nation is not for you to decide. It's not a monetary calculation, and it changes over time and from moment to moment. You can't base rights on some persons whim of what it means to be valuable.

this country started where only men that owned property could vote. no women could vote. they had it right the first time

Appreciate the confirmation. Thanks.

If Biden somehow wins, expect Philadelphia style riots every time the Left has a hissy fit. In reality though, the riots in Philly are only an opportunity to mass steal, and then for college professors to teach your kid that it is justified.

Where would I even begin? I could give plenty of examples but the crowd on here that visited the Hollywood version of the Amish in tourist traps all over the USA , would tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'll give you one small example. The state I live in has one of the largest amish populations in the country. We also have the highest fuel tax in the country. Part of that tax is supposedly earmarked for state highway maintainence.

The Amish buggies running up and down these state owned roads, causing danger to motorists, and dropping horse [bleep] everywhere, don't pay fuel tax to support those roads.

I'd imagine that if a person calculated what the average resident of this state pays in fuel tax in their lifetime it would be mind boggling. The last time I checked it was something like 55 cents a gallon. Now imagine that total for a lifetime. The Amish do not pay that and gave full use of those roads. That is one elementary example of the bullchit that this cult gets away with.

Of course it's not a monetary calculation. Should felons be allowed to vote? I mean they are supposedly rehabilitated when released, right? So it's not punitive in nature , and it's not monetary. Who gets to decide their worth to the country?

Seeing as it's a non monetary thing, should Amish be allowed to vote even though they are exempt from other civic duties like the selective services? Should anyone?

That's going to stop a lot of folks from voting, a whole lot. It's an idea worth exploring. Any body retired and drawing a social security payment? Any person not paying an income tax? Any American Indian on a reservation? Any disabled person? Military personnel and any other government employee? Any student not employed and especially one on a scholarship? Welfare recipients? Amish farmers? People living off grid? Politicians? Sounds like maybe a good idea.

Go through your list on your own and use some common sense

The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability.

Any body retired and drawing a social security payment?
- as I said before this is a slippery slope.

Any person not paying an income tax?
-no brainer that will answer some of your other examples.

Any American Indian on a reservation?
-if they recognize the sovereignty of the us government over them and follow all laws including tax laws, yes

Any disabled person?
- legitimate disability of course

Military personnel and any other government employee?
Of course military personnel are a net gain to this country. Other government employees who pay income taxes are as as well, I'm not sure what you were going for here. ?

Any student not employed and especially one on a scholarship?
Being a student does not disqualify someone from contributing to society or being employed. I'm not sure what bring on scholarship has to do with it?

Welfare recipients?
-hell no

Amish farmers?
Same deal as native Americans and everyone else. You do know that all Amish are not farmers right? And if they were , who cares?

People living off grid?
- same rules apply to them as everyone else. I don't care where they live or what kind of utilities they have.

Politicians?
- not while in office.

road tax with registrations goes by weight being the heavier the vehicle the more damage to the road. wagons do no damage and the gas road taxes are partially stolen and the rest used to pad pensions. the county and state for a big job has to get federal funding. bicycles pay no tax and use the roads also
I worked for a laminated beam company building churches. most were for the amish. we would go to their bake sales and where they had food never got ripped off and they were real nice

Congrats on never being ripped of on your cookies

"Jews Founded This Country"


Ol' Toot.

Most social security recipients are a drain on the treasury. Should they vote? Military and government employees are also draining the treasury. Even though I'm only semi retired I am probably a net negative for the treasury. Maybe a person should have to prove they are paying and not receiving. My wife is a pediatric nurse practitioner but I bet more than half her pay originates from Medicaid so I guess in a way she is a negative to the treasury. There are a bunch we could cut off from voting and then we could get by with cutting off their "entitlements". An idea worth exploring.

It's worth noting that if socialist social programs like social security were never implemented by socialist politicians, it would be a non issue. Hence my original statement. I said they shouldn't be voting, not that it was realistic or attainable.

Yep

we should fix it the way the British and Europeans did it a while ago.

Only the landed gentry and noblemen can vote.

There was a certain amount of sarcasm in my post, but there is something to be said for only responsible citizens voting but alas that will not happen.

Nice attempt at sarcasm, but you're really not far from the truth if you want to see this country survive. Otherwise, ypure at the mercy of people who vote for a living rather than work for a living.

A good friend of mine is PA Dutch. He's told me that the Amish and Mennonites are mostly non-participants in the political process, but that changed in 2016.







I don't know about electrical rates, but kerosene and lamp oil prices will go sky high when Gibberish Joe gets done with the oil industry......lol.

Hows this..

To vote you have to be a citizen employed to at a income level of at least 20 hours a week at minimum wage on the last tax return. If you can do this for 40 quarters ( the same as to earn an old age SS benefit), you keep the franchise for life. Married folks filing jointly can also gain the franchise if the joint return has income the equivalent of 40 hours a week at federal minimum wage.