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The technology simply doesn't work that way.

edit: think of it this way, the ISP may see the traffic, but like listening to a radio scanner, all they would hear is scrambled noise

I support about 1,000 computer enterprise network. MCSE, CCIE, CISSP etc. After I got off active duty, I did some reserve duty projects installing Siprnet fiber and equipment in some military base buildings. There's no such thing as perfect security but there's a few things people can do that make it a pain in the azz to compromise you and just move on to the next sucker instead with no security. Most of the time, common sense is a person's best defense. Not going to stupid web site or clicking on stupid email links etc.

I cut my teeth on SIPR and JWICS... 99.999% of security breeches were not caused by intrusion, but users clicking on stupid [bleep], downloading porn, etc.

Smoke pole -

Your ISP may have your CC # from when you paid them... (i.e. your CC # and info are on the ISP admin for billing and such website)
BUT they can’t see what you enter in at a different site

The FCC ISP regulations on PPI, PCI, and HIIPA (personal, credit, and health information) reguardless of how they can get it cover’s both cases and legally they are required to tell you want they share with others when you give them information on your account.

But these are 2-3 different things
1) You are their customer and they have records
2) There are records of how you used thier system (like who you called in a phone system... that information is accessible)
3) Then there is the content of the phone calls / internet sessions - on the Internet side some information is “in the raw” (un encrypted), but most a lot of it is encrypted.
What I said is that CC info along with most of anything you are logged into and shows that Lock picture in front of the address in your browser is encrypted and they can’t get it.



However - they still can’t de-encrypt you session between a bank, and you... or any website and you... so they can’t get at that CC information.

I was the poor technical bastard that had to explain all this crapola to non-techies... You are bring up old memories

I can't remember the acronym, but I'm not aware of any ISP (I've only worked for 3) that actually processes credit card payments. They all contracted with a third party company for that. In fact, when a customer service agent needed to take a customer's information, the customer was transferred to the 3rd party company. WAY too much regulatory compliance and liability for an ISP to actually handle that stuff themselves.

Unless it's a man in the middle exploit but the presumption was that you're hitting a legit web site as opposed to some browser redirect.

Yep... the man in the middle, and high Jack website hacks work great... and.... but you have to know how to do it... OK I should shut up now.

Those are real And serious risks...

Back to real life... So do you guys think that satellite base ISP service (like a Starlink) will get to the point where I can do telecommuting farther out in the county and still be able to do live video conferencing etc?

IMO, the big unanswered questions are contention and price.

You work for Spitz?

No, a bit bigger than them

That’s PCI compliance (bank & credit card).

The smaller ISP’s tend to outsource it and there are 1,800 plus smaller guys - the big 3-7 ISP’s have their own billing systems and purchase credit card software, mostly because we already had it for long distance dialing back in the day.

There are a TON of compliance spec’s these days -
Data breach compliance for example - There are HUGE $$. penalties for not reporting those (this is why the banks, and stores all of a sudden public ally announce breaches)

I used to write industry standards on this stuff...

All good.

Your problem here is going to be the delay of satellite, it’s normally a 200-300 millisecond delay which can really screw things up...
That and bandwidth once they get a good amount of customers up in your area.

Hardwire then?

For me, it's okay if there's a net price increase over regular cable internet for example. Even at double the price, if it allows me to telecommute 2 days a week, the cost saving in gas in my truck from the remote county will more than pay the difference.

Traditional geosync sats have 600ms round trip... the new Starlink sats are in extremely low earth orbit, with latency more in the 20-30ms

Ironbender-LOL, the companies I could work for narrow down quite a bit at this point.... I used to work for ACS, now for a Co-Op

LoadClear go to this link and look how Viastat did on thier Tests.

https://www.fcc.gov/reports-researc.../measuring-fixed-broadband-eighth-report

When you go to the link search for “latency” ( which means delay... we used round trip delay).

I was one of the “industry technical leads” that wrote how to do the standard testing... yes we used round trip delay...
I don’t want to lose folks with long haired tech stuff.. but the key performance indicators are the entire path not just the radio link delay... This test shows the results.

If you read the latency section they talk about applications being impacted by geo satellite based Internet.

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You guys grew up professionally with this stuff. It's amazing to think that I never touched a cell phone or personal computer until after college. Probably true for 80% of the forum members. Goes to show how fast technology has changed over the last 30 years. I grew up as a Combat Systems Officer in the Navy so I used to supervise sailors, and shoot missiles, guns, torpedoes etc for a living.

On one of my ships, it was an old destroyer without a computer network, the Captain looked at me and said "CSO, I want a computer network." I looked at him and said "Sir, you realize that I know nothing about computers and the ship has no IT staff correct?" And he said "Yep, make it happen." I knew right then, my life was going to be hell.

I found 3 basement hackers in my department and the 4 of us learned from scratch how to design, install and run a computer network throughout the ship. It was brutal but we ran all the fiber, setup all the servers and workstations and got everything working over about 10 months. It was literally trial by fire but I sure did learn a lot that way.